Benfica fan battered.

murphm45 · 20-05-2015 11:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Seems we have not learnt anything, Do we not remember the video of the Garda ?

Glad someone beat me to mentioning this. Bare in mind you view of the first few seconds is obscured (and don't forget any potential lengthy preamble that might not be shown in the video), he could have swung for the policeman or anything. If it is the case that the policeman is a thug then I'm sure he'll get his and you won't hear any complaints from me when he gets it.

Also just out of curiosity has anyone ever been in a position like the policeman (I.e. Finding themselves surrounded by a few people who could be a threat)? Not a pleasant position in sure and sometimes a perceived heavy handed approach might be needed to stop it ending badly when a threat is identified (regardless of how benign out might appear).

Also battering is seen by a lot of people (me included) as an extreme beating. I don't mean to trivialise the beating he got but to me it's just that a beating, not a battering!

Iwannahurl · 20-05-2015 11:48PM

The child was obviously terrified and distressed. Apparently the officer who tried to comfort him (Ernesto Pino) is drawing positive comment on social media, whereas Filipe Silva, the senior officer who was hitting the child's father, allegedly with a metal bar and not a standard-issue truncheon, is the subject of three separate official investigations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32793901

Mongfinder General · 21-05-2015 12:10AM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I use to be a season ticket holder with an english premier league club who regularly qualified for european competition.

I used to think that english fans were responsible for every fight until I saw what happened with these police forces. I now fully understand why the english fans fight back.

Same here. Some serious chimps in uniform on the continent.

Gatling · 21-05-2015 12:13AM

Looks like a standard issue telescopic baton to me

darkpagandeath · 21-05-2015 12:16AM

Iwannahurl wrote: »

The child was obviously terrified and distressed. Apparently the officer who tried to comfort him (Ernesto Pino) is drawing positive comment on social media, whereas Filipe Silva, the senior officer who was hitting the child's father, allegedly with a metal bar and not a standard-issue truncheon, is the subject of three separate official investigations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32793901

I hate CT like this Metal bar. Why would a police officer search out and use a metal bar over his pre issued baton to hit someone ?

Iwannahurl · 21-05-2015 01:08AM

Gatling wrote: »

Looks like a standard issue telescopic baton to me

I stand corrected.

It was an extendable steel baton. The criticism was that the senior officer's use of the metal baton was an unjustified escalation, because the Benfica fan was not attacking him.

Apparently the police protocol is that the extendable steel baton is for use in emergency situations such as when car windows have to be broken, for example, or when the police officer faces a high level of threat or aggression. The next level of defence is use of a firearm.

The video shows that the Benfica fan was not violent towards the senior officer. As a result, if found to be in serious breach of police rules on the use of force, Filipe Silva may be fired.

http://www.publico.pt/desporto/noticia/policia-trocou-bastao-normal-por-um-de-aco-na-agressao-a-adepto-do-benfica-1696080

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/benfica/guimaraes-subcomissario-pode-ser-expulso-da-psp

cassid · 21-05-2015 02:11AM

The little lad, feel awful for him having to watch his dad get attacked. He looks so distressed. I have a child that age and he would be the same.

Arsemageddon · 21-05-2015 02:30AM

Here's a slightly longer video of the incident than the one in the opening post. It shows a more footage at the start of the incident and after a cop takes the youngest son away it shows the father being hit with a baton while on the ground and then kneed in the small of the back before being handcuffed.

The main fella handing out the slaps acted like a complete dick. The fact that the other cops don't really join in the melee is telling.

Hagar7 · 21-05-2015 10:49AM

Egginacup wrote: »

Moral of the story:

If you're a cop, don't mess with the public you are sworn to protect. Sure, act the cnut if it gets you off. Sooner or later you'll get your comeuppance.

Got it spot on,well said.

Hagar7 · 21-05-2015 10:55AM

FTA69 wrote: »

So a fella gets tackled on to the ground and flaked with a baton in front of his screaming child while another cop boxes his elderly father into the face and some people are trivialising that as nothing? Usual internet hardman nonsense to be honest, "sure what's a baton into the ribs and a dig in the face, I wouldn't call that a battering pffftt".

Unfortunately what you see here is a typical story of a thug who thinks he has carte blanche to assault people because he has a badge and a uniform. It's the worst form of bullying.

There's something really weird about a fair number of posts on this subject,many think it's okay tae thump someone with a baton,others don't see anything wrong at all,Jesus wept,I'd hate for them to be in similar circumstances cos if so then they might just change their views on the subject.

21-05-2015 11:01AM

Hagar7 wrote: »

I'd hate for them to be in similar circumstances cos if so then they might just change their views on the subject.

What are the circumstances?

The version where a person was set upon and did nothing wrong? Or the version where he spat at a policeman? Surely that's the entire issue here?

Egginacup · 21-05-2015 11:09AM

Uriel. wrote: »

I didn't see any battering in that clip... Maybe my definition of battering differs from the OP though...

If some coward of a man did that to his spouse would you call her a battered wife? You most likely would.

Hagar7 · 21-05-2015 11:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What are the circumstances?

The version where a person was set upon and did nothing wrong? Or the version where he spat at a policeman? Surely that's the entire issue here?

It's impossible tae see clearly if the fan spat at the copper,tae me its a case of the copper making up a wee story tae save his job and even a fine.
I've been in a situation where cops have 'made up' evidence which was utter bull**** against me and I'll bet I'm not the only one on here either.

21-05-2015 11:33AM

Hagar7 wrote: »

It's impossible tae see clearly if the fan spat at the copper,tae me its a case of the copper making up a wee story tae save his job and even a fine.
I've been in a situation where cops have 'made up' evidence which was utter bull**** against me and I'll bet I'm not the only one on here either.

By "tae" I'm assuming you mean "to", and "wee" means "small". The accent in your written posts is very strong.

I appreciate the point you make. And policemen have made up stuff. And also people have spat at policemen and fully deserved getting a few thumps. None of which sheds any light on what happened here.

Hagar7 · 21-05-2015 11:55AM

Apologies,it's just the way I post on other Celtic forums,I'll go back to the correct way,cheers.

anncoates · 21-05-2015 12:25PM

Barring acting in self-defense under attack, we need to get away from this misty-eyed A Clip In The Ear In My Day bollocks where doing something to the police (even spitting) means you get a hiding instead of being arrested and/or summonsed.

It just generally buttresses and validates the whole culture of off-record violence even if sometimes (not in this case by the looks of it) you don't have much sympathy for the people that might get bashed.

We should either have an impartial police force or a mob: not a conditional mixture of both

21-05-2015 12:47PM

Hagar7 wrote: »

Apologies,it's just the way I post on other Celtic forums,I'll go back to the correct way,cheers.

You affect an accent in written posts on Celtic forums?

You have made me smile! I don't follow Celtic or Scottish football, but that's gas!

anncoates wrote: »

It just generally buttresses and validates the whole culture of off-record violence even if sometimes (not in this case by the looks of it) you don't have much sympathy for the people that might get bashed.

We should either have an impartial police force or a mob: not a conditional mixture of both

I'm a fan of the give them a clip and send them on their way idea. And it may be misty eyed, but think a lot of people would hark back to the days when it was the norm, before cameras were shoved in policemen's faces and people demanded their numbers. Of course it did see the use of the Heavy Gang and it lent itself to brutality, but it may also have lent itself to more effective policing.

anncoates · 21-05-2015 12:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm a fan of the give them a clip and send them on their way idea. And it may be misty eyed, but think a lot of people would hark back to the days when it was the norm, before cameras were shoved in policemen's faces and people demanded their numbers. Of course it did see the use of the Heavy Gang and it lent itself to brutality, but it may also have lent itself to more effective policing.

The problem with it is that the only judge of who deserves the 'clip on the ear' is the police themselves and also the cover up and obfuscation of same becomes practice and therein lies the problem.

the_monkey · 21-05-2015 12:59PM

f'ucking pig

Benfica fan battered.

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