Teenager dies after allegedly taking PMMA Pills Mod warning first post

Schwiiing · 17-05-2015 06:51PM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

First was a desperate attempt to pump intelligence into a weak point, second betrayed your ignorance.

Most students receive education about drugs and their effects in school. I know I did.

Schwiiing · 17-05-2015 06:51PM

Collie D wrote: »

Well said. Regardless of your opinion on drugs this is a young girl we're talking about. Bit of ****ing empathy wouldn't go amiss

A bit of common sense on her part wouldn't have gone amiss either.

dxhound2005 · 17-05-2015 06:53PM

stimpson wrote: »

I would argue that the harder the drug, the more reason for decriminalisation. The impurity of the drugs causes more harm than the drugs themselves.

Give clean heroin on prescription. Have regulated outlets for everything else. Put the money saved in the justice system toward harm reduction and addiction treatment. The system used for the past forty years hasn't worked. Let's try something else.

There are regulated outlets for alcohol. If the aim of regulation was to reduce consumption of alcohol it has failed. Neither has it prevented widespread addiction and harm to physical and mental health. However it is a significant contributor to the economy and the tax base.

How would you envisage your regulated outlets for other drugs operating? Would they provide a service in the early morning hours to match the illegal suppliers, and weekend alcohol licences.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 17-05-2015 06:55PM

There are legal pills testing booths/stalls/service and what have you in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain etc

This would solve the PMA/PMMA **** going around and reduce harm and danger massively.

Won't hold my breath for Ireland to allow this though.

corner of hells · 17-05-2015 06:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I take your point. It may well be something that should be considered in time. Right now, there is no huge hunger to see heroin legalised, I have yet to hear a good argument why E is criminalised in a society where every second ad is for alcohol.

There's no real hunger to have heroin legalised because of the relatively small amount of opiate addicts and people maintained on methadone.Methadone maintenance costs roughly 2000 Euro a year , our failing is our lack of pprogramme to detox people people off heroin .
An IV heroin addict more or less is provided with everything he needs under harm reduction policies.

Collie D · 17-05-2015 06:57PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

A bit of common sense on her part wouldn't have gone amiss either.

She's 18. 18 year olds do stupid things. I was probably still doing stupid, senseless things long after I was 18.. as were a lot of people.

cloud493 · 17-05-2015 06:58PM

Not to be terribly judgemental, but don't take ecstasy either way?

ricero · 17-05-2015 07:00PM

She's just been confirmed dead as of the last half an hour. Thoughts with her family

Collie D · 17-05-2015 07:02PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Most students receive education about drugs and their effects in school. I know I did.

Oh yeah. I remember those. Bar the occasional, more enlightened session I seem to remember those school drug talks going along the lines of "Don't do it. One toke and you'll end up giving handjobs to pay for your crack habit"

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2015 07:03PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Most students receive education about drugs and their effects in school. I know I did.

I received education about drugs in school, it was along the lines of "drugs are bad. I personally know of seventy millionty cases where a lad smoked an acid and jumped off a roof. Drugs are really bad, listen to me, I clearly know what I'm talking about"

I also received education about drugs and their effects after school, and quickly realised that I'd been fed a crock of shít. The kind of education people receive in school is actually very counterproductive, it makes people underestimate the risks.

Hope this poor wee girl's OK. Poor judgement, but we were none of us innocent of that at 19.

Edit: I see she's died, very sad. RIP

the evasion_kid · 17-05-2015 07:04PM

She passed away god love her.

Collie D · 17-05-2015 07:04PM

ricero wrote: »

She's just been confirmed dead as of the last half an hour. Thoughts with her family

Sad news. RIP. Hopefully her friends and family won't read **** like this

17-05-2015 07:06PM

Ah jeez, that's horrible news.

_Kaiser_ · 17-05-2015 07:07PM

Collie D wrote: »

She's 18. 18 year olds do stupid things. I was probably still doing stupid, senseless things long after I was 18.. as were a lot of people.

Indeed they do, as I did myself (for many more years afterwards too!), and this is why we need to sometimes do things that may not be popular but necessary to protect people from themselves.

As I alluded to earlier, the legalisation of alcohol hasn't stopped people abusing it and the huge social, personal/family cost that has.. legalising more mind-altering drugs isn't going to work out any better! I don't buy the "but E's/insert drug of choice here are different!!" argument either... as we've seen in this case.

In any case, I've just read the above so RIP to this girl, but her death and mistake shouldn't be used to advocate for even bigger mistakes either.

17-05-2015 07:07PM

anncoates wrote: »

Have to say it really takes particularly sad cases to use a probably drunk teenager, that - along with millions of others - exercised relatively poor judgement on a night out, as a platform for smug moralizing.

It's always enjoyable when a poster I remember clashing with says something that is perfectly put and inarguable. To the point where I think damn, that's so right I wish I had articulated it!

Grayson · 17-05-2015 07:07PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There are regulated outlets for alcohol. If the aim of regulation was to reduce consumption of alcohol it has failed. Neither has it prevented widespread addiction and harm to physical and mental health. However it is a significant contributor to the economy and the tax base.

How would you envisage your regulated outlets for other drugs operating? Would they provide a service in the early morning hours to match the illegal suppliers, and weekend alcohol licences.

Because drug issues should be treated as health issues rather than criminal issues. Most illegal drugs are actually less harmful than alcohol.

I would however be of the opinion that it should be heavily regulated. Certain dispensaries, photo ID. Records of pills given etc...

Certain stuff like, for example PCP, should be illegal. MDMA, mushrooms, marijuana and milder non physically addictive substances should be legal and regulated in some manner.

17-05-2015 07:08PM

ricero wrote: »

She's just been confirmed dead as of the last half an hour. Thoughts with her family

Ah Jesus Christ. That's awful.

BOHtox · 17-05-2015 07:09PM

She passed away a short while ago. Absolutely terrible news. I think all of ours thoughts go out to her and her family. Hopefully in the near future we can have a frank, honest and mature debate about drugs and hopefully we can prevent further deaths like this.

the nikkei is rising · 17-05-2015 07:09PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Most students receive education about drugs and their effects in school. I know I did.

The battle for hearts and minds is conducted 'thusly', In fourth year a community garda who doesn't really want to be in the classroom to begin with will tell you not to take drugs under any circumstances and list a load of totally unrealistic consequences, he won't make distinctions and just dismiss all drugs in one fell swoop.
Everything the gard says falls apart the first time you go out and see hundreds of people having a good time under the influence, in the mind of an 18 year old girl there is no competition.

Rough Sleeper · 17-05-2015 07:11PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

And thusly an adult and surely recieved some sort of drug education in school to know not to consume some unknown chemicals produced and supplied by some scumbags on the street.

Drug education in school was a ****ing joke; an archaic, unpragmatic form of moralisng that presented worst-case scenarios as the norm and frequently descended into outright lies. If your kid were believing the stuff the stuff they try to tell you about drugs I'd be very concerned, as at best it means that they have a very low IQ and at worst suggests that they have some form of mental impairment.

dxhound2005 · 17-05-2015 07:11PM

nm wrote: »

There are legal pills testing booths/stalls/service and what have you in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain etc

This would solve the PMA/PMMA **** going around and reduce harm and danger massively.

Won't hold my breath for Ireland to allow this though.

I've never heard of pill testing booths. Are they set up and regulated under legislation in these countries?

ballinasloex · 17-05-2015 07:15PM

It so sad she's so young.., Very easy for people to judge! But yea never know... Drugs can sometimes be tempting when going through bad times

do anything for bit a buzz,and the pressure some people feal around drugs aswell dosent help.. Hope she pulls trough

Whosthis · 17-05-2015 07:19PM

Owen_S wrote: »

You can get reagent test kits which can test for MDMA content, PMA content etc.(PMA usually what is put in bad pills instead of MDMA, has a slower effect, which is why people end up taking even more pills).
Ethical dealers and many users opt to use these kits, and put the results up on websites such as PillReports. Warnings about 'dodgy' pills in Ireland, such as Green Rolex's, are often up online prior to any deaths.

There is definitely a case for the decriminalisation of MDMA along with cannabis.

A reagent test kit will only indicate the presence of MDMA, it will not indicate the presence of any other substances such as PMA. There are however tests available to indicate the presence of PMA and other such substances, they are Mandelin and Mecke tests. There's an Australian company that does a complete kit for about $60 + shipping. Think the website is ecstasytest.com or ecstacypilltest.com. They do ship to Ireland but I've had one delivered and one stopped by customs, a bit strange when there is nothing illegal about the actual kit. There's also a company named eztest which I think is based in the UK but the last time I checked they didn't do the full range of tests.

bodhrandude · 17-05-2015 07:21PM

God thats awful news, RIP Ana Hick.

dxhound2005 · 17-05-2015 07:21PM

Grayson wrote: »

Because drug issues should be treated as health issues rather than criminal issues. Most illegal drugs are actually less harmful than alcohol.

I would however be of the opinion that it should be heavily regulated. Certain dispensaries, photo ID. Records of pills given etc...

Certain stuff like, for example PCP, should be illegal. MDMA, mushrooms, marijuana and milder non physically addictive substances should be legal and regulated in some manner.

You didn't address the point about how this service would be provided at nightclubs and on the streets all round the country in the wee small hours.

anncoates · 17-05-2015 07:25PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

A bit of common sense on her part wouldn't have gone amiss either.

You obviously emerged from the uterus in perfectly sensible middle age.

Aineoil · 17-05-2015 07:28PM

My thoughts are with her family. They must be distraught. I saw a photo of her and she was so beautiful. She had everything to live for.

Grayson · 17-05-2015 07:37PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You didn't address the point about how this service would be provided at nightclubs and on the streets all round the country in the wee small hours.

Why should it be? Off licenses aren't open after 10. It may be possible for certain drugs to be available over the counter like marijuana but it doesn't have to be a comprehensive service.

Grayson · 17-05-2015 07:39PM

as a side note, this is what happens when you do far, far, far to many pills.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/apr/04/drugsandalcohol.drugs1

suicide_circus · 17-05-2015 07:39PM

****ing hell

god help her parents

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