White Male Privilege

NI24 wrote: »

The mortality rate for men is higher than it is for women, according to both the Central Statistics Office of Ireland (or Dublin, I forget which) and the CIA World DataBank. Do you not understand arithmetic?

on average women live longer

but we all die in the end

NI24 wrote: »

And yet a woman posted in a thread a few weeks ago about her 71 year old father who had an affair and fathered a baby. Guess women don't find old men that unattractive after all. Otherwise, men would be compared to used cars and called "boilermakers", isn't that right?

So what?

You'll find other examples of the reverse situation as well which are rare particulars to contradict the generalised abstractions.

One woman does not equal all women or the majority of women.

What's a boiler maker and what has that got to do with age and attractiveness?

NI24 wrote: »

I believe it was you who first provided me with the information that single childless women make more money than single childless men, so if we're talking strictly the dating scene, a person could argue that it's women who are ATMs.

Go on then, make that argument. I'd be interested to see what convoluted logic is needed for that.

Thing is gender roles persist. I'm not saying that this is a good thing, only that they're still there and any attempts to truly eliminate them have been anemic at best.

And the oldest of these gender roles is the provider-mother/carer role split, which is still largely seen on gender lines. This means that a woman (mother/carer) will be seen as attractive if she displays signs of fertility and physical beauty, while a man (provider) will be seen as attractive if he displays signs of wealth and social status. As youth typically favours the former and ironically the opposite is the case with the latter, you're going to get these inequities in attraction.

So no doubt there are single childless women who could be treated as ATMs, just as there are poor men who are considered 'past it' over a certain age. But because of these roles, and how they influence what we find attractive, they would remain the exception rather than the rule.

NI24 wrote: »

I am simply pointing out that men's attractiveness is, for the most part, earned.

is that mens fault or womens fault

NI24 wrote: »

Oh it absolutely is.

Can you explain this please? I need more than a one line answer to understand what you mean when you claim that attraction is a choice. How does one choose to be attracted to something, or not?

Unless you are saying that young men are conditioned by society to be attracted to certain types on woman? (I'd expect you to explain that too)

NI24 wrote: »

Bullsh*t of the highest order. And you're pretty much proving my point even more that men place an enormous emphasis on looks.

No. "Men" do not consciously place an enormous emphasis on looks. That's just part of nature. One of our species main functions is reproduction. In order to reproduce, Homo Sapiens need to find a mate.

You need to consider that anatomically modern humans have existed for around 200,000 years but our modern culture, civilization, society has only existed for a fraction of that time. Our society in evolving much much more quickly than we are.

Males and Females were attracted to each other many, many, thousands of years before paintings, photographs and TV existed.

Males and Females were attracted to each other before language existed.

Don't you think that maybe there is such an enormous emphasis on looks because that's how human beings naturally select a mate? If not, why not?

Lets talk about birds. Look at these little guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsMTZQ-pmE What do you think is happening there?

Do female birds "place an enormous emphasis on looks or is this just the way that things are in nature?

NI24 wrote: »

Or perhaps you need to look a little deeper at Hatrick's post. He denied that there was such a thing as male privilege and I pointed out that there absolutely is such a thing as male privilege and that men are born with that privilege.

Again, you need to be more specific and expand your points.

You are surely not saying that ALL man are born with that privilege? You cannot be saying that ALL white men are born in to privilege?

Here's the thing, if you were to gather the most powerful and most richest white men in the world and start ranting at them about "white male privilege" then most of them would just shrug their shoulders and ignore your points. They do not care.

However, if you start ranting to the regular white guy (who works 9 to 5, will never become a millionaire, likes his TV and his pizzas, loves his wife and children, worries about debt and redundancy) about "male privilege" then of course he is gonna try to put you in your place.

Your ideas about reality are completely disconnected from reality itself.

I live in Dublin and on any given morning you can walk through town and see white men sleeping in doorways and begging for loose change. These guys were not born with privilege.

The vast majority of women in Dublin have more privilege, more money and more prospects than these guys you see making a nuisance of themselves on the LUAS, queuing up for soup in the city center every night, wrapping themselves in cardboard and newspapers so that they can survive through winter.

Yet, here you are telling us that men are born with privilege? No. Some people are born into privilege.

There is no such thing as "white male privilege". The idea that being born into this society as a white male gives a person some kind of automatic privilege or advantage from the very start is absurd. There are so many other factors and variables at play here. Some PEOPLE are born into privilege and the reasons for that are numerous and incredibly complex.

This attempt to boil the reality of the situation down to one or two chirpy catchphrases is a complete joke.

My best guess is that when young people leave school and attend college or university, or start their first job, they are exposed to the larger problems and issues facing our society. However, because they are inexperienced and unable to grasp the almost incomprehensible complexity of reality, they latch on to one-line ideas such as the "pay gap" or "objectifying women" and run with them because they make perfect sense on a surface level.

Your ideas that "attraction is a choice" and "white men are born in to privilege" do not match up with reality.

NI24 wrote: »

You wouldn't and I would and I can prove it empirically. And the fact that men can father children at any age proves that male privilege still exists.

Ok so prove how male attractiveness IS earned for the most part, and not inherent.