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Prisoner found dead in Mountjoy.

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  • #32
    No_Comply
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭No_Comply


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    He was convicted of manslaughter which removes the decision to kill.

    Just because he was convicted of manslaughter, doesn't mean he didn't choose to kill someone.

    Don't be so naive.


  • #33
    AndonHandon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    The death of the younger man is the tragedy in all of this, I agree 100%.

    But if his background was better know, it might prevent future killers.

    I believe in the whole nurture versus nature thing when it comes to people being scumbags. I also believe that once a scumbag always a scumbag so with anyone who is brought up as a scumbag then it is too late to try and reform them after they grow up so at this point they should be removed from society.

    The only way to stop it is to cut it at the source i.e. get them when they're young so they can be influenced as they grow up to not be a scumbag. Scumbags breed scumbags so don't let scumbags breed is one drastic solution.


  • #34
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    No_Comply wrote: »
    Just because he was convicted of manslaughter, doesn't mean he didn't choose to kill someone.

    Don't be so naive.

    A Jury of 12 people, just as intelligent as you and me, under the guidance
    of a judge, examined all the evidence and return a verdict.

    They chose manslaughter.

    You can argue the law was wrong or it was a miscarriage of justice.
    Until then, the verdict stands, that's the law.


  • #35
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Even if he didn't intend to kill the lad, he kicked him repeatedly in the head. There was plenty of responsibility and intent there.


  • #36
    KungPao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    hiz wit d anglz nw xxxxxxx
    he a angle nw n 4eva
    x


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  • #37
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    darkdubh wrote: »
    Not too people will be missing this specimen.He commited a brutal unprovoked murder and got off with manslaughter.Recently it was announced that he could be out in a few years due to remission,thankfully that won't be happening now.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0508/699636-prisoner-found-dead-in-mountjoy-prison-cell/
    you don't "get off" with manslaughter. if there isn't enough evidence for murder what else can one be charged with. manslaughter is the next best thing

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #38
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    KungPao wrote: »
    I'm welling up here. Gone too soon.

    Only the good die young.

    Sleep well, Dougie.

    x

    He was our Diana.


  • #39
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    A Jury of 12 people, just as intelligent as you and me, under the guidance
    of a judge, examined all the evidence and return a verdict.

    They chose manslaughter.

    You can argue the law was wrong or it was a miscarriage of justice.
    Until then, the verdict stands, that's the law.

    According to the article there was no jury. He took a guilty plea to manslaughter. There was difficulty in finding witnesses willing to testify.


  • #40
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Cry me a river. I had a **** upbringing, I know many people who had worse. We all managed to get through life without killing someone.
    the world is not black and white. just because your background didn't effect you doesn't mean it won't others and turn them into low lives

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #41
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    Nomis21 wrote: »
    According to the article there was no jury. He took a guilty plea to manslaughter. There was difficulty in finding witnesses willing to testify.

    I did not see any article only a photo with a summary.
    Is it the same link?

    I (wrongly) assumed it was a trial.


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  • #42
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    end of the road wrote: »
    the world is not black and white. just because your background didn't effect you doesn't mean it won't others and turn them into low lives
    That's true but he's still the only one responsible for kicking a young lad to death.
    I'll never forget how upsetting the sight of that young man's crying mother and father was. :-/


  • #43
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    end of the road wrote: »
    the world is not black and white. just because your background didn't effect you doesn't mean it won't others and turn them into low lives

    Are we meant to feel sorry for him now or something? Ah God love him he had a hard life, well he's out of it now and good riddance.


  • #44
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,070 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Did I read he died of a drug overdose and was found with a cup of hooch in his hand.. Seriously too much in the way of freedoms in Irish prisions, how poorly run is a prison when the prisoners are able to brew/distill alcohol.

    I read an article online earlier where apparently Ireland's most dangerous criminal had a playstation and a fish tank bought for him. Yet it takes three officers in riot gear to move him he's so aggressive..

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/crime-play-irelands-most-dangerous-5654931


    Its a damn joke the privileges these guys are being given or facilitated to have.

    I wonder how many people are turning a blind eye to the hooch production :rolleyes:


  • #45
    darkdubh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    He was convicted of manslaughter which removes the decision to kill.


    Only because witnesses were too frightened of retribution to come forward,which is the sole reason he was convicted of manslaughter.What he did was cold blooded murder.


  • #46
    Patrick Wheelock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Patrick Wheelock


    The lads on Rabble won't be happy


  • #47
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    An unpleasant person...no horrible. His death will not bring back Niall. It was of natural causes as all deaths should be. Niall's death should have been of natural causes too.

    He spent his last days in prison. That is just. It's the type of story that makes you feel sad whatever way you look at it.


  • #48
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Are we meant to feel sorry for him now or something? Ah God love him he had a hard life, well he's out of it now and good riddance.

    No, you should feel sorry for the young man parents.
    They are the ones who deserve sympathy and comfort.

    That's not the same as taking pleasure in his death.
    They are exclusive and can be.


  • #49
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    Much as I agree the world is a better place without the thug, he's somebody's kid. Not sure hot I feel about celebrating.

    Apologists like you are the reason this piece of waste was out on bail able to murder a teenage boy in the first place.


  • #50
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    No, you should feel sorry for the young man parents.
    They are the ones who deserve sympathy and comfort.

    That's not the same as taking pleasure in his death.
    They are exclusive and can be.

    I take no pleasure in his death. He had a family. I am very sorry for his children and the people who loved him. Not being sorry he's dead is not the same as getting pleasure out of it.


  • #51
    Mint Aero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭Mint Aero


    _Brian wrote: »
    Did I read he died of a drug overdose and was found with a cup of hooch in his hand.. Seriously too much in the way of freedoms in Irish prisions, how poorly run is a prison when the prisoners are able to brew/distill alcohol.

    I read an article online earlier where apparently Ireland's most dangerous criminal had a playstation and a fish tank bought for him. Yet it takes three officers in riot gear to move him he's so aggressive..

    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/crime-play-irelands-most-dangerous-5654931


    Its a damn joke the privileges these guys are being given or facilitated to have.

    I wonder how many people are turning a blind eye to the hooch production :rolleyes:


    "84 previous convictions including robberies, 34 assaults"

    It's the f*cking electric chair he should be getting, not a playstation!


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  • #52
    Steve_Carella
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Steve_Carella


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    That is one way of looking at it but I don't agree.
    Tell me about his life, how did he become so violent to do the above?
    Was he born that way? Is it Genetic? Did someone else turn him that way.

    He could have suffered a life far worse than the out-lash he was
    convicted for but this is never know, people don't care.

    Here's an idea, ygolmestwhatever, why don't you give your whole 'caring' theory a go: find some scumbag murderer who's been locked up for something like this and who's due for release soon (that shouldn't be too difficult), start visiting him in jail and having the chats with him about his tough upbringing and then when he's released, let him stay with you for a while until he gets himself sorted out with a job, somewhere to live etc? If you believe people caring will make a difference, set an example. Show everyone glad to see the back of him how wrong we all are.


  • #53
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Steve_Carella wrote: »
    Here's an idea, ygolmestwhatever, why don't you give your whole 'caring' theory a go: find some scumbag murderer who's been locked up for something like this and who's due for release soon (that shouldn't be too difficult), start visiting him in jail and having the chats with him about his tough upbringing and then when he's released, let him stay with you for a while until he gets himself sorted out with a job, somewhere to live etc? If you believe people caring will make a difference, set an example. Show everyone glad to see the back of him how wrong we all are.

    Ive worked over the years as a volunteer and in paid employment with a number of individuals convicted of manslaughter and murder and nearly everyone of them come from a background of trauma, institutional situation , addictions, lack of choice , thats not excusing their crimes or anything like it.
    Two in particular are convicted of crimes similar to whats being described here .

    One is expected to die soon from alcohol abuse and entranced homelessness.


  • #54
    Hans Bricks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    Is there a particular reason people are getting so pedantic over the official sentence this knuckle dragger served ? Anyone with half a brain can deduce this was cold blooded murder.


  • #55
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Hans Bricks wrote: »
    Is there a particular reason people are getting so pedantic over the official sentence this knuckle dragger served ? Anyone with half a brain can deduce this was cold blooded murder.

    I am finding it odd too.


  • #56
    poisonated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭poisonated


    From reading the story, he seemed like a complete scumbag. Still, I don't take pleasure in anyone's death...That would be a bit odd!


  • #57
    Satori Rae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Satori Rae


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    That is one way of looking at it but I don't agree.
    Tell me about his life, how did he become so violent to do the above?
    Was he born that way? Is it Genetic? Did someone else turn him that way.

    He could have suffered a life far worse than the out-lash he was
    convicted for but this is never know, people don't care.

    A lot of people get raised in badly abusive situations, it still does not justify you kicking the head of someone o.0

    Genetics don't come into violence, upbringing for sure, however only around 1 out of every 10 kids who are abused turn into an abuser.

    But there comes an age where surly you know right from wrong no matter what walk of life your from.


  • #58
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    Satori Rae wrote: »
    A lot of people get raised in badly abusive situations

    lot is a word.


  • #59
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Ive worked over the years as a volunteer and in paid employment with a number of individuals convicted of manslaughter and murder and nearly everyone of them come from a background of trauma, institutional situation , addictions, lack of choice , thats not excusing their crimes or anything like it.
    Two in particular are convicted of crimes similar to whats being described here .

    One is expected to die soon from alcohol abuse and entranced homelessness.

    I would give people like you all the funding you need, and a platform
    to do it.
    I agree about not excusing his actions, but its nor born of thin air.


  • #60
    Satori Rae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Satori Rae


    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    lot is a word.

    Not overly sure what you mean by that :/ I myself , my parents their siblings my sibling their parents all raised in some of the most violent and volatile situations. ...none of us have gone out and kicked the head of anyone. It never occurred for us to do so.

    I also do volunteer work with kids and adults from similar situations as myself all of them are good people. I also worked as a mental health nurse where sometimes victims of abuse had to come to us for treatment all very gentle souls.

    Of course this guy may have had a bad upbringing but doesn't excuse his actions. But I wouldn't say he deserved to be killed obivisouly .


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  • #61
    ygolometsipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭ygolometsipe


    Steve_Carella wrote: »
    Here's an idea, ygolmestwhatever, why don't you give your whole 'caring' theory a go: find some scumbag murderer who's been locked up for something like this and who's due for release soon (that shouldn't be too difficult), start visiting him in jail and having the chats with him about his tough upbringing and then when he's released, let him stay with you for a while until he gets himself sorted out with a job, somewhere to live etc? If you believe people caring will make a difference, set an example. Show everyone glad to see the back of him how wrong we all are.

    Prisoners on release are 100% citizens again. They paid for their crime.
    Can you accept this? Or what is the point of incarnation.

    People exist, "scumbag" is washing your hands of life.


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