What salary are you on?

Endthescam · 26-04-2015 10:49AM

Upskill? Learn to push dots around a screen because that's what our global masters want to reward.

I have skills. Talking to people, graft, good attitude. But these are unfashionable these days so I better get in line with the rest.

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 10:50AM

OBV all young posters on this thread.
Yeah we would all love to upskill

try that with massive overheads and 3 kids to feed , all you can afford is some stupid waste of time evening course.
FYI - a good tradesman will spend 12+ years being anyway decent as his skill.
Its not his responsibility to create jobs , its a bit unfair to say tough **** paddy learn how to C++
then in 10 years we have a skills gap in construction.
Its simply an unfair system and widening the gap between rich and poor

handlemaster · 26-04-2015 10:51AM

Endthescam wrote: »

Upskill? Learn to push dots around a screen because that's what our global masters want to reward.

I have skills. Talking to people, graft, good attitude. But these are unfashionable these days so I better get in line with the rest.

if skills are in demand all good if not retrain. no one owns you a living.

26-04-2015 10:52AM

Endthescam wrote: »

A lot of students should try four years in the real worl and it might open their eyes. I'll admit that maybe they have a knowledge premium that justifies a 10-15% pay premium but not triple .

Students don't walk out of college and earn three times what the unskilled workers do. I would imagine the vast majority of graduates go into the €20k-€30k bracket. Once they start providing more value for their company (after a few years in the real world as you put it) their wages start to go up - and rightly so.

Endthescam · 26-04-2015 10:54AM

Exactly. The government should put a value on different skills. When the markets font favour one skill they should step in and support those guys rather than forcing them to change into something they're not. Would they tell a computer vsmpire to forget his years of college and hit the sites at 6am?
They need law to equalise salaries so it's fair and balanced when there are lean times for some sectors.

26-04-2015 10:56AM

Endthescam wrote: »

Exactly. The government should put a value on different skills. When the markets font favour one skill they should step in and support those guys rather than forcing them to change into something they're not. Would they tell a computer vsmpire to forget his years of college and hit the sites at 6am?
They need law to equalise salaries so it's fair and balanced when there are lean times for some sectors.

Ok comrade.

Edit - I'll just also say your claim of having a good attitude whilst also using every pejorative term you can think of for people who dare to go to college and work in an office is striking.

lickme · 26-04-2015 10:58AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

OBV all young posters on this thread.
Yeah we would all love to upskill try that with massive overheads and 3 kids to feed , all you can afford is some stupid waste of time evening course.
FYI - a good tradesman will spend 12+ years being anyway decent as his skill.
Its not his responsibility to create jobs , its a bit unfair to say tough **** paddy learn how to C++
then in 10 years we have a skills gap in construction.
Its simply an unfair system and widening the gap between rich and poor

Okay I get where u and the other chap are now coming from. Your older with families etc. Yea yere basically f***end unless ye move abroad until the boom happens again like many people across Ireland had to.

bladespin · 26-04-2015 10:58AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

OBV all young posters on this thread.
Yeah we would all love to upskill try that with massive overheads and 3 kids to feed , all you can afford is some stupid waste of time evening course.
FYI - a good tradesman will spend 12+ years being anyway decent as his skill.
Its not his responsibility to create jobs , its a bit unfair to say tough **** paddy learn how to C++
then in 10 years we have a skills gap in construction.
Its simply an unfair system and widening the gap between rich and poor

This is simply untrue, you can upskill for free if you're dertermined, there's no such thing as a stupid waste of time course unless you have already decided it is.
No-one complains when their skills are in demand but these things are cyclical, the demand will return but for the moment it's not high, you have to be prepared to move with the times, the days of a job for life are long gone (and that's not a recent thing either).
Plenty learned C++ to be told to go learn Java etc, they do it. IT isn't the only sector and it's a tough place too, engineering would be much more attractive.

BTW I've spent 20 years training for my current job and will spend another 25 years training for it too.

lickme · 26-04-2015 11:00AM

Endthescam wrote: »

Exactly. The government should put a value on different skills. When the markets font favour one skill they should step in and support those guys rather than forcing them to change into something they're not. Would they tell a computer vsmpire to forget his years of college and hit the sites at 6am?
They need law to equalise salaries so it's fair and balanced when there are lean times for some sectors.

That would never happen as the country would fall apart. Every single person in a decent job would move abroad and Ireland would be finished.

Endthescam · 26-04-2015 11:00AM

Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »

Ok comrade.

That's the difference with the new generation. Gimme, gimme, gimme. No concern for their fellow man. The old guy that got laid off and hung himself? **** em. Should have retrained to be a brain surgeon. Ths is evolutionary theory, no time for God or loving your fellow man.

AndyBoBandy · 26-04-2015 11:00AM

€55,000 + bonus (5%-15%)

33 years old - Project manager

Left school after my junior cert and took an apprenticeship as a mechanical fitter, worked my way up to be a field engineer working globally, and now I'm a home based project manager.

Geniass · 26-04-2015 11:00AM

Endthescam wrote: »

They need law to equalise salaries so it's fair and balanced when there are lean times for some sectors.

You really want the whole economic system to be changed to suit your particular circumstance, correct ?

Smartguy · 26-04-2015 11:01AM

Endthescam wrote: »

Upskill? Learn to push dots around a screen because that's what our global masters want to reward.

I have skills. Talking to people, graft, good attitude. But these are unfashionable these days so I better get in line with the rest.

There are plenty of good jobs out there for people with those skills.
Maybe you are not as good as these things as you think. It is much easier to be a victim rather than go make it happen.

helimachoptor · 26-04-2015 11:05AM

Andybobandy wrote: »

€55,000 + bonus (5%-15%)

33 years old - Project manager

Left school after my junior cert and took an apprenticeship as a mechanical fitter, worked my way up to be a field engineer working globally, and now I'm a home based project manager.

Good on you, same age but the couple of people who left my school after JC are dead or in jail

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:07AM

i dont mean to sound negative but i work in education.
Most of the courses on offer to the working class are a money making scam for the people running them.

You would nearly think that a certificate in ECDL makes you eligible to work in IT , waste of time!

then you get the next level courses , maybe a day a week for a year to get another useless piece of paper , a certificate to say you have an introduction to something or other.

So say i want to do a proper course that will actually be worth something and offer a possibility of a job.

I have to do a years access course followed by 4 years in full time education , when your close to 50 you dont have that sort of time and who is going to employ you after?
Anyone knows that a 4 year course only gets you the piece of paper to apply for the jobs , no experience and harder to train, i suggest age is a barrier.

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:09AM

Oh and before i get labelled as weak and useless

i do ok and am happy with a good balance in life.
I am concerned for my fellow man/woman and my children / grandchildren and hence why i have a point of view

26-04-2015 11:10AM

Endthescam wrote: »

That's the difference with the new generation. Gimme, gimme, gimme. No concern for their fellow man. The old guy that got laid off and hung himself? **** em. Should have retrained to be a brain surgeon. Ths is evolutionary theory, no time for God or loving your fellow man.

I was going to write an actual response to this but what's the point? You have no idea who any of the people posting in this thread are.

lickme · 26-04-2015 11:11AM

Endthescam wrote: »

That's the difference with the new generation. Gimme, gimme, gimme. No concern for their fellow man. The old guy that got laid off and hung himself? **** em. Should have retrained to be a brain surgeon. Ths is evolutionary theory, no time for God or loving your fellow man.

Unfortunately there's not much that can be done. People on good salaries already getting taxed at 40% to pay for the dole, council houses, heating allowance along with whatever allowances they have. Do you want them to give up another 20% or is something?

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:15AM

lickme wrote: »

Unfortunately there's not much that can be done. People on good salaries already getting taxed at 40% to pay for the dole, council houses, heating allowance along with whatever allowances they have. Do you want them to give up another 20% or is something?

utter poppycock and idiotic gutter media robot response.

your fing tax doesnt fing pay for all of that.
a tiny fraction does , who the hell do you think pays the massive pensions of the "hard-working" politicians?
what about hospitals , schools? infrastructure?

punk_one82 · 26-04-2015 11:20AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

utter poppycock and idiotic gutter media robot response.

your fing tax doesnt fing pay for all of that.
a tiny fraction does , who the hell do you think pays the massive pensions of the "hard-working" politicians?
what about hospitals , schools? infrastructure?

It's not utter poppycock. Almost a third of the tax paid goes towards social programmes that include those things. Not a tiny fraction by any means.

Geniass · 26-04-2015 11:21AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

utter poppycock and idiotic gutter media robot response.

your fing tax doesnt fing pay for all of that.
a tiny fraction does , who the hell do you think pays the massive pensions of the "hard-working" politicians?
what about hospitals , schools? infrastructure?

And where does the money for hospitals, schools and infrastructure come from?

It eventually needs to come from taxes.

The question being asked is do you think workers should be taxed more or spending on the likes of health care be reduced?

Brussels Sprout · 26-04-2015 11:23AM

Endthescam wrote: »

Upskill? Learn to push dots around a screen because that's what our global masters want to reward.

Take a look around you. Everywhere you see people are looking at screens. Mobiles, tablets computers. Somebody somewhere has to create what they're looking at. One man's 'pushing dots around a screen' is another man's 'revolutionary new idea'.

You can't change this fact anymore than you can prevent the sun from rising in the morning.

Endthescam wrote: »

I have skills. Talking to people, graft, good attitude. But these are unfashionable these days so I better get in line with the rest.

Excellent communication skills, a positive attitude and a strong work ethic are all great things to have. They're certainly not unfashionable. God knows there are plenty of people in my work place who are missing 1 or 2 out of the 3.

The thing is every interview candidate says that they have those 3 skills. To get ahead you're going to need more. What other skills do you have?

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:23AM

social programmes?
and that is ?

according to the angry middle class slave its

dole, council houses, heating allowance

and

along with whatever allowances they have.

stop reading the red tops and try to think logically

punk_one82 · 26-04-2015 11:26AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

social programmes?
and that is ?

according to the angry middle class slave its

dole, council houses, heating allowance

and

along with whatever allowances they have.

stop reading the red tops and try to think logically

Housing, Pensions, Working Age Income Supports, Working Age Employment Supports, Illness, Disability and Carers, Children, Supplementary Payments, Admin and Centenarian's Bounty. I've never read a red top in my life. Think logically? What I have said is factual.

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:27AM

Geniass wrote: »

And where does the money for hospitals, schools and infrastructure come from?

It eventually needs to come from taxes.

The question being asked is do you think workers should be taxed more or spending on the likes of health care be reduced?

Yes more taxation would be a idea if quality employment was available for the majority of the population.
I think the problem is how the system is currently managed that people are against taxes.

The wealth of a society is based on how it treats its citizens , we have a society that treats some better than others and that tends to be based on the economic wealth or what family they happened to be born into

26-04-2015 11:27AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

utter poppycock and idiotic gutter media robot response.

your fing tax doesnt fing pay for all of that.
a tiny fraction does , who the hell do you think pays the massive pensions of the "hard-working" politicians?
what about hospitals , schools? infrastructure?

What the hell are you talking about? Of course tax pays for all that.

It also pays for those other things you mention.

Geniass · 26-04-2015 11:29AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

social programmes?
and that is ?

according to the angry middle class slave its

dole, council houses, heating allowance

and

along with whatever allowances they have.

stop reading the red tops and try to think logically

Take a deep breath, now take some time and put forward a solution to the problem as you see it.

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:29AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Housing, Pensions, Working Age Income Supports, Working Age Employment Supports, Illness, Disability and Carers, Children, Supplementary Payments, Admin and Centenarian's Bounty. I've never read a red top in my life. Think logically? What I have said is factual.

No , what you said is sensationalist and very misleading , exactly what the media like to focus on.

Take some facts and manipulate them to suit your own agenda - that is not logic nor factual

punk_one82 · 26-04-2015 11:32AM

hawkwind23 wrote: »

No , what you said is sensationalist and very misleading , exactly what the media like to focus on.

Take some facts and manipulate them to suit your own agenda - that is not logic nor factual

What have I manipulated to suit any agenda? I've broken down the third of tax that somebody pays that go towards social programmes - the same social programmes you seem to think make up a "tiny fraction" of taxes paid. There's no sensationalism in anything I've said. I'm merely disproving the "utter poppycock" and factually incorrect statements you're making.

hawkwind23 · 26-04-2015 11:33AM

Geniass wrote: »

Take a deep breath, now take some time and put forward a solution to the problem as you see it.

Simple solution - long term thinking based on human need (think Maslow)

some simple solutions - rent control , create employment , encourage more local business , limit tax avoidance from larger corporations and subsequent manipulation of employment figures.
Invest in education and infrastructure , keep the young talent here- not with salary but with excellent quality of life.

i dunno , just good ideas that suit society in the long term

What salary are you on?

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