Does it bother you more when non-Catholics mock Catholicism?

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 09:11PM

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

He's in college and I work

So, I'm guessing that in his time in scientific study at college he has developed a stronger sense of critical examination than you, and I do not mean any offence by that. I'm not saying he's smarter, but he has learned how to test theories and seek unbiased proof rather than seek only supporting evidence, which is what most believers do.

It may be worth your while having a discussion with him, not to try to convert your view nor his, but to practise the art of critical thinking and assessment. It's a very useful skill in most aspects of life and may steer you in times to come, whether that is in matters of personal morality or business.

Then read the history of the book of Mormon. When you see a modern religion exposed from foundation it prompts you to ask questions of your own faith. Only YOU can choose how to assess all that information, but try to do so honestly, using both head and heart.

Be at peace,

Duke O Smiley · 22-04-2015 09:22PM

Zen65 wrote: »

So, I'm guessing that in his time in scientific study at college he has developed a stronger sense of critical examination than you, and I do not mean any offence by that. I'm not saying he's smarter, but he has learned how to test theories and seek unbiased proof rather than seek only supporting evidence, which is what most believers do.

It may be worth your while having a discussion with him, not to try to convert your view nor his, but to practise the art of critical thinking and assessment. It's a very useful skill in most aspects of life and may steer you in times to come, whether that is in matters of personal morality or business.

Then read the history of the book of Mormon. When you see a modern religion exposed from foundation it prompts you to ask questions of your own faith. Only YOU can choose how to assess all that information, but try to do so honestly, using both head and heart.

Be at peace,

Thanks for that.

I can't see that happening in the near future to be honest.

I'm not denying that my brother knows what he is talking about, but like I said I have my own reasons for believing.

Zebra3 · 22-04-2015 09:24PM

billyhead wrote: »

Imagine this same topic been posted in a mostly muslim country and the reaction it would receive.

Typical and totally irrelevant line used by people with nothing to back up the fairy stories they believe in.

Zubeneschamali · 22-04-2015 09:45PM

Non-catholics should stick to mocking stuff they understand. It takes someone who had to go to mass for a million hours a week and then sit through year after year of Religion class to mock Catholicism properly.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 09:50PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Non-catholics should stick to mocking stuff they understand.

I can't tell if you're being ironic?

Zubeneschamali · 22-04-2015 09:56PM

Zen65 wrote: »

I can't tell if you're being ironic?

Excellent.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 10:13PM

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

. . . but like I said I have my own reasons for believing.

To your brother, that argument sounds like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrDlVLbtKbQ

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 10:30PM

Maybe this is why non-believers struggle to take deep-rooted religious belief seriously.

Roger Hassenforder · 22-04-2015 10:38PM

catallus wrote: »

No, it is quite plainly the wrong question. I'm saying you're a clown because you seem incapable of abstraction, unwilling to see anything beyond the tip of your own nose, and are bereft of any sense of transcendence in humanity, and are therefore blind to the concept of faith and responsibility.

And it is those things, faith and responsibility, which are the human hallmarks of religious belief, which make religion the epitome of culture.

Do people corrupt religion? Yes they do. But that is where the responsibility of morality comes in. And the fact that much of modern trash-culture dispenses with both morality and responsibility makes it the playground of faithless pagans who can do nothing but try and rip the robes of culture and religion to shreds with their gormless and mindless catch-cries.

responsibility is the antithesis of faith; faith the nadir of culture

catallus · 22-04-2015 11:05PM

How can culture even exist without the idea of God?

I get how it is abhorrent for materialists to think that the lynchpin for everything is God (or even just the idea of God) but there really is no getting away from it. Honestly, been there, done that, when I thought I knew everything, when one is bedazzled by the novelty of the all too human scientific method, but if you limit yourself to being a lab assistant that's one's own problem. If one cannot admit that there is something beyond our knowledge then one may as well lie in the dirt with slugs.

All the writing, poetry, science and culture of all mankind only exist because of it.

Zubeneschamali · 22-04-2015 11:33PM

catallus wrote: »

I get how it is abhorrent for materialists to think that the lynchpin for everything is God (or even just the idea of God) but there really is no getting away from it.

I don't think that the idea that the lynchpin for everything is God is abhorrent.

Just completely silly.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 11:38PM

catallus wrote: »

How can culture even exist without the idea of God?

Many civilisations who did not believe in a god still had culture. Societies which are polytheist also have culture. A monotheist religious culture is only one of many possible cultures. But this is not what the thread is about; it's about your feelings when non-Catholics mock Catholicism.

realdanbreen · 22-04-2015 11:43PM

DareGod wrote: »

There is no Santa Clause, there is no Mickey Mouse and there is no God.

Why can't we just leave it there?

How much farther along would we be as a species if we finally did. Sigh.

Oh yeah, I forgot, once upon a time there was a big huge bang....and the rest just kina happened. Makes perfect sense really.

SaveOurLyric · 22-04-2015 11:54PM

lazygal wrote: »

Sex only for the purposes of procreation for couples married in the catholic church?

I think having sex in their own homes is permitted, no need to go to a catholic or other church to do the deed.

unjedilike · 22-04-2015 11:57PM

realdanbreen wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot, once upon a time there was a big huge bang....and the rest just kina happened. Makes perfect sense really.

Let there be light

Roger Hassenforder · 23-04-2015 01:05AM

catallus wrote: »

How can culture even exist without the idea of God?

I get how it is abhorrent for materialists to think that the lynchpin for everything is God (or even just the idea of God) but there really is no getting away from it. Honestly, been there, done that, when I thought I knew everything, when one is bedazzled by the novelty of the all too human scientific method, but if you limit yourself to being a lab assistant that's one's own problem. If one cannot admit that there is something beyond our knowledge then one may as well lie in the dirt with slugs.

All the writing, poetry, science and culture of all mankind only exist because of it.

there is more beyond our current knowledge than within, but that which is currently beyond isn't unknowable. The places for the gods to hide and claim dominion are shrinking with every discovery. Even the gods are adapting to survive...

kylith · 23-04-2015 07:59AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Oh yeah, I forgot, once upon a time there was a big huge bang....and the rest just kina happened. Makes perfect sense really.

Because 'by magic' makes perfect sense?

keano_afc · 23-04-2015 09:51AM

kylith wrote: »

Because 'by magic' makes perfect sense?

Both scenarios require faith in my opinion.

kylith · 23-04-2015 10:03AM

keano_afc wrote: »

Both scenarios require faith in my opinion.

But only one of them has any evidence. Physicists didn't pull the Big Bang theory out of a hat; it is the best explanation that matches current data and evidence.

realdanbreen · 23-04-2015 10:07AM

kylith wrote: »

But only one of them has any evidence. Physicists didn't pull the Big Bang theory out of a hat; it is the best explanation that matches current data and evidence.

Are you serious? They have come up with nothing only a load of formulas/equations, 'what if' scenarios. They have spent billions and yet have never produced a shred of hard evidence to back up their theory's.

kylith · 23-04-2015 10:13AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you serious? They have come up with nothing only a load of formulas/equations, 'what if' scenarios. They have spent billions and yet have never produced a shred of hard evidence to back up their theory's.

There is a lot more evidence for the Big Bang than there is for ''God did it. Now stop asking questions''.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-04-2015 10:14AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you serious? They have come up with nothing only a load of formulas/equations, 'what if' scenarios. They have spent billions and yet have never produced a shred of hard evidence to back up their theory's.

If only they thought to play Chinese whispers with he evidence, for 50 years and then write it down in dusty old books. Then they could have called it gospel and you'd be completely snookered with no choice but to believe it.

shruikan2553 · 23-04-2015 10:28AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you serious? They have come up with nothing only a load of formulas/equations, 'what if' scenarios. They have spent billions and yet have never produced a shred of hard evidence to back up their theory's.

At least they tried. Claiming god did it and then considering the matter sorted is hardly an improvement. People used to think the weather was caused by gods, look how that ended up.

realdanbreen · 23-04-2015 10:31AM

kylith wrote: »

There is a lot more evidence for the Big Bang than there is for ''God did it. Now stop asking questions''.

Maybe its my fault and I am not keeping things simple enough for you but the fact is there is NO,ZILCH,ZERO, hard evidence to support the big bang theory despite billions having been spent on it.

realdanbreen · 23-04-2015 10:32AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If only they thought to play Chinese whispers with he evidence, for 50 years and then write it down in dusty old books. Then they could have called it gospel and you'd be completely snookered with no choice but to believe it.

Thing is you have a choice.

kylith · 23-04-2015 10:45AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Maybe its my fault and I am not keeping things simple enough for you but the fact is there is NO,ZILCH,ZERO, hard evidence to support the big bang theory despite billions having been spent on it.

Here's a nice, easily understood, synopsis of evidence for the big bang. I don't know what you would consider 'hard evidence' so I can't really help on that other than mentioning red shift, background radiation, and the ratios of elements.

As I said, it's a lot more evidence than one book, written over 2000 years ago, by unknown persons, for unknown reasons, with no scientific knowledge or training, and zero evidence for this 'magic' explanation.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-04-2015 10:49AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Thing is you have a choice.

I do. I exercise that freedom by not cherishing any theory and ignoring evidence to the contrary. Do I believe in the big bang theory? No. It looks pretty promosing though. It could be blown out of the water by a more promosing hypothesis tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me one bit.

In fact I'd be delighted.

Ghost Buster · 23-04-2015 10:53AM

catallus wrote: »

How can culture even exist without the idea of God?

I get how it is abhorrent for materialists to think that the lynchpin for everything is God (or even just the idea of God) but there really is no getting away from it. Honestly, been there, done that, when I thought I knew everything, when one is bedazzled by the novelty of the all too human scientific method, but if you limit yourself to being a lab assistant that's one's own problem. If one cannot admit that there is something beyond our knowledge then one may as well lie in the dirt with slugs.

All the writing, poetry, science and culture of all mankind only exist because of it.

Two questions:
(1)
Would a materialist include an organisation with its own city full of gold?
(2)
The something beyond our knowledge is what science is all about. Simply going 'ummmmmmmm....God diddit' is not good enough.

bnt · 23-04-2015 12:09PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you serious? They have come up with nothing only a load of formulas/equations, 'what if' scenarios. They have spent billions and yet have never produced a shred of hard evidence to back up their theory's.

Are you serious? The very notion that the universe is expanding started with evidence, something that no-one was actually looking for at the time: the "red shift" in the spectra of far-away galaxies. The theory fits the evidence, not vice versa.

When you try to talk about science in terms of "faith", you're making a basic mistake: your religion requires faith, science does not. I have no faith in science, and I don't need any. It stands or falls on the results it delivers, not on what I believe or not. It doesn't tell me how to live. I don't believe in the Big Bang theory in anything like the way the religious believe in gods. If it turns out to be wrong - based on evidence, not belief - I'll say "that's interesting" and move on to the next scientific problem.

realdanbreen · 23-04-2015 12:54PM

kylith wrote: »

Here's a nice, easily understood, synopsis of evidence for the big bang. I don't know what you would consider 'hard evidence' so I can't really help on that other than mentioning red shift, background radiation, and the ratios of elements.

As I said, it's a lot more evidence than one book, written over 2000 years ago, by unknown persons, for unknown reasons, with no scientific knowledge or training, and zero evidence for this 'magic' explanation.

Wow! The first line of your easily understood synopsis says 'Astronomers THINK that the universe started with a big bang' . Then this gem of scientific evidence 'If we go back far enough in time, everything MUST have been squashed into a tiny dot. The rapid eruption of this tiny dot was the big bang'

This is the best they can come up with !

Does it bother you more when non-Catholics mock Catholicism?

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