Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

K4t wrote: »

Of all the things I've read in this thread and about this case, that sentence is right up there with the most sadistic of them.

You're ONLY against the death penalty, because you want people to suffer worse fates than death? Scary.

I don't want anyone tortured, maimed, or hurt in any way. I just want them to know that they will never walk out of that prison again. If that makes me a monster in your eyes then so be it.

K4t wrote: »

Ah, ok then. Maybe it's the way you phrased it. I would hope you'd be against the death penalty for reasons other than you think people should suffer a worse fate than death!

There is no right answer to the question of what should be valued higher, justice or mercy, different people will stand differently on this.

I'm aware life can't be reduced to maths like this but personally I would like to be absolutely certain that the aggregate effect this has on ruining Graham Dwyer's life is greater than the sum of the damage done to all the innocent lives he has ruined or severely damaged.

Elaine O'Hara, her family for whom as they said so touchingly there will be no parole, his wife who has been plastered all over the media, his children who are guilty of nothing other than getting the wrong ticket in the lottery of birth, the taxpayer who has footed both sides of this case and will fund every day he spends in prison while we cut budgets for mental health services that could actually help the kind of people that manipulators like him prey on, children who've heard things on radios and televisions that no adult could ever come to terms with never mind a naive innocent child, people in the media and on the jury who had to sit through graphic footage of him satisfying his depraved urges and now have to find some way of forgetting what they were forced to witness.

I don't want him killed, but I want him to suffer in proportion to all of that.

Montroseee wrote: »

A minimum of 15, after that it is up to the parole board.

So if he only serves the minimum sentence he will only be 57 when he gets out. That is so wrong. Life should mean life.

What happens in terms of his marriage, in cases like this? Would the wife automatically be entitled to divorce?

sup_dude wrote: »

What happens in terms of his marriage, in cases like this? Would the wife automatically be entitled to divorce?

You would hope that she is & that she can change her children's surname as well.

In cases like this would he be allowed see his kids?

Surely they should be kept as far away as possible

Tayla wrote: »

I would say that's unlikely, I think he will certainly suffer in his own head but not for the right reasons, I think he will feel hard done by and feel sorry for himself and will be tormented by the fact that he can no longer live out any of us urges.

I know, he doesn't strike me as the remorse type. Was more a discussion of what I'd like to happen than what I think will happen.

K4t wrote: »

So you want him to suffer a sort of self inflicted mental torture? Do you not think that maybe he already has serious psychological and mental problems? But you would rather they be compounded while in prison than any sort of rehabilitation be attempted?

Yes, he is cognisant and intelligent enough to know right from wrong and to know the grief he was going to cause her family so that is no defence, and finally yes as I don't think he is rehabable nor do I empathise with him.

K4t wrote: »

So you want him to suffer a sort of self inflicted mental torture? Do you not think that maybe he already has serious psychological and mental problems? But you would rather they be compounded while in prison than any sort of rehabilitation be attempted?

I think it's obvious he has some sort of psychological problems, I read somewhere that he most likely had a personality disorder and that that coupled with sexual sadism disorder makes the person far more likely to kill or hurt other people. I don't think rehabilitation could ever work.

I think more than likely he was born like this so it's pretty unlucky in a way because he never had a chance to be normal....but at the same time I don't feel bad for him because there is no alternate Graham Dwyer to feel sorry for if that makes sense because he doesn't exist.

K4t wrote: »

If he is as you say, intelligent enough to know right from wrong, then maybe he possesses the ability to reflect upon and express remorse for his crimes? Would this not be a more desirable outcome for all than him mentally torturing himself for the rest of his life?


Surely if he was born that way then you would feel bad for him as he obviously did not choose to be born that way, irrespective of what choices he subsequently made? Perhaps rehabilitation could not work, but perhaps early intervention or detection would have?

In respect of your first question intelligence and ability to empathise are not at all linked. He clearly has not felt remorse .If he had done so he has had opportunity to express it but he has not done so. He released a statement to media when he was charged thanking his friends,family and colleagues for their support. He made no mention of Elaine O'Hara or her family. He mentioned the case of a young teenage girl brutally stabbed to death in Dublin and his only comment on it was to say what a lucky guy her killer was.

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

He mentioned the case of a young teenage girl brutally stabbed to death in Dublin and his only comment on it was to say what a lucky guy her killer was.

Link?

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

It was from a text message he sent commenting on the stabbing in Dublin.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/my-urge-to-rape-stab-and-kill-is-huge-308575.html

Throw away the key.