Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

This thread is for the discussion of the recent Graham Dwyer court case. We will open it once sentencing has been passed.

Rules from the outset;

• “Rumours” will not be tolerated. Hearsay, if posted, must come directly from another media source (not someone's blog). A link to that source should be provided. Any other hearsay of the “my brother’s friend said…” variety will be in breach of these rules and actioned accordingly.
• Distasteful comments on the appearance of the victim or her killer, will not be allowed. This was a murder, not a beauty contest.
• Speculation as to the identity of any boards members always has been, and always will be against site rules, that rule will be enforced.
• Discussion of moderation is not allowed. If you have any questions or queries, please PM any of the mods (I recommend including at least two of us in the PM as we may not all be online).
• Please do not feed trolls, report posts that you feel may be trolling and let the mods deal with them.
• Please use common sense, remember that both the victim’s family, and Dwyer’s family, all of whom are entirely innocent, may be reading this. They have enough to deal with without the members of After Hours adding to that.
  

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0420/695245-dwyer/

Graham Dwyer has been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Elaine O'Hara.

The Dark Side

Deleted User wrote: »

Graham Dwyer has been sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Elaine O'Hara.

Hope he stays there until he rots.

Larbre34

In after the lock! Ah darn.

If I could post an image now, it would be a gif of american women smashing the front doors of a K-mart on sales day.


But seriously, throw away the keys.....

Stheno

The victim impact statement from the family was very sad

suicide_circus

I wonder what he will appeal on...

Magico Gonzalez

I think I lived hear him once.

Electric Boobs

I can't believe how much trauma he must have put his family through by pleading innocent. He made things worse for everyone that way... including himself. Maybe he likes the attention.

And he was on the late late show in 2012, shortly after the murder!!!

Neyite

A very dignified statement from the family. The lurid headlines about her must have been so hard for the family but this part is what I feel for me shines through about Elaine O'Hara regardless of the sensationalism about her private life:

The manipulation of her vulnerability was apparent and when she tried to resist, she was reined back in. We can hear her voice in the texts, just wanting to be loved.

I can only go by what I've read about the case, about the victim, but I don't see her as anything other than a lovely young woman, albeit troubled, who fell prey to unimaginable evil.

alchemist33

Completely agree with the verdict and sentence and my heart goes out to the victim and her family.

What sticks out for me was the enthusiasm with which the media swarmed over this case, and probably because of the sexual element. In another case a man was convicted of his wifes manslaughter today, but this trial was mentioned barely if at all in the national media. There seems to be an element in Irish society which laps up certain murders, yet will ignore others which are supposedly less newsworthy, and it just annoys me.

Anyway, job well done by the legal system. RIP Elaine

oppenheimer1

Have I gone back in time? Boards.ie now you're talking... A month after everyone else...

Generic Dreadhead

I wonder will he be kept in isolation and away from other prisoners

the_monkey

life in this case means what 20 years ?

or is it life without parole ?

smash

I really hope that for him, life means life!

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

and well done to boards.ie for banning all discussion until the sentencing. even though the national broadcaster, all radio stations, both broadsheet and tabloid newspapers were doing stories on it after the conviction, boards.ie knew its powerful and influential position in Irish natioanl discourse meant it was held to higher standards

yermandan

Does life mean 10 years here or natural life?

IITYWYBMAD

the_monkey wrote: »

life in this case means what 20 years ?

or is it life without parole ?

Eligible in 8. Will probably do 12-13.

Kiith

Absolutely disgusting coverage from all the media in this case.

The statement from her family was very sad, and it's horrible that their daughters name was dragged through the mud.

When did Elaine realise that it was not a game any more?
When did she realise that the intention was to kill her for real?
Did she try to run away?
Was she restrained?
Did she suffer much?
Could she and did she cry out?
Was she left on the mountain to die alone?

This is our life sentence, for us there is no parole.

bjork

Electric Boobs wrote: »

I can't believe how much trauma he must have put his family through by pleading innocent. He made things worse for everyone that way... including himself. Maybe he likes the attention.

And he was on the late late show in 2012, shortly after the murder!!!

Was he? Any link? I missed that

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Cormac... wrote: »

I wonder will he be kept in isolation and away from other prisoners

He probably won't have internet access anyway.

Montroseee

the_monkey wrote: »

life in this case means what 20 years ?

or is it life without parole ?

A minimum of 15, after that it is up to the parole board.

El Weirdo

alchemist33 wrote: »

... There seems to be an element in Irish society which laps up certain murders, yet will ignore others which are supposedly less newsworthy...

Quite.

Just look at all the posters in here and Feedback who were just champing at the bit to get down to discussing the juicy details of the case when he was found guilty last month.

All rather distasteful, to say the least.

Neyite

bjork wrote: »

Was he? Any link? I missed that

He was in the audience shortly before Elaine's body was recovered. It was on the primetime special.

ColeTrain

the_monkey wrote: »

life in this case means what 20 years ?

or is it life without parole ?

Perhaps even less I'd imagine.

bjork

Neyite wrote: »

He was in the audience shortly before Elaine's body was recovered. It was on the primetime special.

I'll have to have a look for that. He was on "Beyond the Hall door or one of those architect shows aswell.

discodiva92

Why didn't the guards search her apartment and phone laptop when missing?

El Weirdo

the_monkey wrote: »

life in this case means what 20 years ?

or is it life without parole ?

He can get parole, but he will only be out on license for the rest of his life.

RGDATA!

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

Eligible in 8. Will probably do 12-13.

why do you feel that he'll probably do less than the average life sentence?

Harry Palmr

El Weirdo wrote: »

Quite.

Just look at all the posters in here and Feedback who were just champing at the bit to get down to discussing the juicy details of the case when he was found guilty last month.

All rather distasteful, to say the least.

Maybe I'm the weirdo but I genuinely have no idea why people want to rake over this case esp as there is not any angle to it.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

They must consider public safety also. Malcolm MacArthur was left in until he was very old

oppenheimer1

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Have I gone back in time? Boards.ie now you're talking... A month after everyone else...

georgiecasey wrote: »

and well done to boards.ie for banning all discussion until the sentencing. even though the national broadcaster, all radio stations, both broadsheet and tabloid newspapers were doing stories on it after the conviction, boards.ie knew its powerful and influential position in Irish natioanl discourse meant it was held to higher standards

Mod

Do not post in this thread again.
Thank you.

Tombo2001

Really impressed with the victim impact statement and the way the family have tried so hard to do the right thing by their sister/ daughter.

I think a class act, a real class act in the victim impact statement is for them to acknowledge that other families have suffered here also. That shows real empathy.

FluffyAngel

while not agreeing with censorship,i think that boards should just abstain from this thread .. just on a moral point of not hurting people involded anymore ..

suicide_circus

RGDATA! wrote: »

why do you feel that he'll probably do less than the average life sentence?

Not a great comparison but Eamonn Lillis killed his wife stone dead, tried to frame another man and was out in 5 years.

Neyite

discodiva92 wrote: »

Why didn't the guards search her apartment and phone laptop when missing?

They did, but her iphone was not used for contact with him and he ordered her to leave it in her apartment, he bought 2 nokia ones for contact with her, and dumped them in the reservoir after he murdered her. They lay there submerged for over a year but restarted perfectly after a few days drying out in the garda station. Good old nokia, eh?

They did check her pc and apartment, but as an adult missing person who had a history of self harm, other conclusions were drawn perhaps.

El Weirdo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not a great comparison but Eamonn Lillis killed his wife stone dead, tried to frame another man and was out in 5 years.

But he was convicted of manslaughter.

Neyite

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not a great comparison but Eamonn Lillis killed his wife stone dead, tried to frame another man and was out in 5 years.

That was a manslaughter conviction though, they tend to have lighter sentences don't they?

Heisenberg1

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

They must consider public safety also. Malcolm MacArthur was left in until he was very old

So because he is older he is less of a threat? I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense.

Tombo2001

El Weirdo wrote: »

Quite.

Just look at all the posters in here and Feedback who were just champing at the bit to get down to discussing the juicy details of the case when he was found guilty last month.

All rather distasteful, to say the least.

I would dispute that.

I think the fascination the press has had with the lurid details of this case is not consistent with the attitudes of the general public.

Much more interesting than headlines about this website or that website is the struggle that this woman went through over the course of her life, and that her family went through with her.

mark_jmc

i genuinely hope his soap has no rope

anto9

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I think I lived hear him once.

I used to live in Dublin also .

Tombo2001

georgiecasey wrote: »

and well done to boards.ie for banning all discussion until the sentencing. even though the national broadcaster, all radio stations, both broadsheet and tabloid newspapers were doing stories on it after the conviction, boards.ie knew its powerful and influential position in Irish natioanl discourse meant it was held to higher standards

I know you are being ironic, but personally I think it was absolutely appropriate.

Heisenberg1

El Weirdo wrote: »

He can get parole, but he will only be out on license for the rest of his life.

His case will be reviewed in 7years but knowing our wonderful justice system he could be out before this. I don't see why the judge could not set a minimum sentence as in 50 years before being considered for parole.

Flippyfloppy

For what it's worth I don't think her name was dragged through the mud. I think it's pretty obvious she was a lady. RIP Elaine.

Boom_Bap

As we are only 45 posts in and the rules in the opening post are being ignored, I'm going to post them again

Rules from the outset;

• “Rumours” will not be tolerated. Hearsay, if posted, must come directly from another media source (not someone's blog). A link to that source should be provided. Any other hearsay of the “my brother’s friend said…” variety will be in breach of these rules and actioned accordingly.
• Distasteful comments on the appearance of the victim or her killer, will not be allowed. This was a murder, not a beauty contest.
• Speculation as to the identity of any boards members always has been, and always will be against site rules, that rule will be enforced.
• Discussion of moderation is not allowed. If you have any questions or queries, please PM any of the mods (I recommend including at least two of us in the PM as we may not all be online).
• Please do not feed trolls, report posts that you feel may be trolling and let the mods deal with them.
• Please use common sense, remember that both the victim’s family, and Dwyer’s family, all of whom are entirely innocent, may be reading this. They have enough to deal with without the members of After Hours adding to that.

whatismyname

No longer living in Ireland, so a lot of this passed me by. Only know the basic jist of it.

Don't know what else to say but RIP Elaine.

padd b1975

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not a great comparison but Eamonn Lillis killed his wife stone dead, tried to frame another man and was out in 5 years.

Two totally different crimes there.

the_monkey

georgiecasey wrote: »

and well done to boards.ie for banning all discussion until the sentencing. even though the national broadcaster, all radio stations, both broadsheet and tabloid newspapers were doing stories on it after the conviction, boards.ie knew its powerful and influential position in Irish natioanl discourse meant it was held to higher standards

in fairness tho, there is a difference between pre checked media articles and a forum where any clown can come along and post something that the defence can use to defend the perp ..

El Weirdo

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

His case will be reviewed in 7years but knowing our wonderful justice system he could be out before this.

This is just nonsense.

suicide_circus

padd b1975 wrote: »

Two totally different crimes there.

True but in both cases a woman was killed for the killers own ends with aggravating circumstances. My point is that we shouldnt be overly surprised if he gets out in a shockingly short space of time.

RobertKK

He was fully aware of what he was doing, but at the same time, his brain must have been wired in a very strange way to find the violence he was into as being a sexual turn on.
Horrific case, not a jury panel I would want to be on.