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Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    Neyite wrote: »
    I'm curious as to what careers are out there that require a persons sex life to be subject to scrutiny by an employer. I genuinely cannot think of any.

    School teacher (sleeping with the same gender makes you 'incompatible with a Catholic ethos', don't you know), and while not a paying profession, blood donor.

    And is it any wonder, reading the latter part of this thread, that so many of us with mental illness fear seeking treatment. I wonder how many of the judgemental people who consider themselves 'normal' in their mental health, morality and sexuality are people you would want looking after your kids. Isn't that what the history of abuse in this State boils down to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Yeah Arbor hill I'd imagine, thats the sex offenders institution isn't it ?

    Mind you, he'd probably still need to be segragated ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    It's a wonder that the devious so and so never pursued the old "guilty but Insane" ploy.His reportedly "erratic" behaviour in prison may be a deliberate ruse to engineer a transfer to the Central Mental Hospital and, therefore, a more lenient sentence.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Stop trying to shift the blame from Dwyer and stop the victim blaming.
    Jesus get a grip, he's not trying to shift any blame. He's making an observation as people on discussion sites do. And for Christ sake, this 'victim blaming' phrase is becoming redundant.
    Why are you doing this for? Do you admire Dwyer or something? Do you think O'Hara deserved what happened to her? What the hell is your problem?

    Yeah he admires Dwyer, that's what he said. Cop on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Yeah I think with the benefit of hindsight, Dwyer probably knows now he should have admitted to being there when Elaine died and claimed that she died accidentally and he legged it and told nobody for fear of destroying his marriage.

    But that's with the benefit of hindsight. By the time he'd have realized that, it had gone too far and had gone on for too long with his denial of ever being there at all. If he had tried to backtrack, he'd have had no credibility - just as he can't really go down that route now in any appeal.

    Up until what point could he have changed his statement or spoke to the gardai again to backtrack? When the book of evidence is served does his defense team have access to everything?

    He admitted having sex with her, he denied that the phones were his despite all the evidence linking him to them, when asked how he contacted Elaines iphone he said he couldn't explain because he denied the other phones were his and there was no phone calls from his registered phone to her, he also denied being into knife play and surely he knew that they had found the videos of him stabbing people.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    Most salient point of this case is not being able to judge a book by it's cover, 99.5% of Irish people are quicker than 5G Broadband to dismiss people as 'knackers' or 'quares' because of other people's dress sense, education, demeanor, accent etc, etc, yet this hero of 'middle Ireland' has the face, comportment and lifestyle that the country and it's media jizzes it's pant's about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,312 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    dd972 wrote: »
    Most salient point of this case is not being able to judge a book by it's cover, 99.5% of Irish people are quicker than 5G Broadband to dismiss people as 'knackers' or 'quares' because of other people's dress sense, education, demeanor, accent etc, etc, yet this hero of 'middle Ireland' has the face, comportment and lifestyle that the country and it's media jizzes it's pant's about.

    Still, 99.5% of those that break into houses, rob handbags, phones etc will have a certian dress sense, accent etc, thats a fact whether it's being discrimanatory or not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Looks like the only design advice this architect will be giving in prison is how to spruce up that dismal cell!


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like the only design advice this architect will be giving in prison is how to spruce up that dismal cell!

    2/10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,154 ✭✭✭akelly02


    the_monkey wrote: »
    Yeah Arbor hill I'd imagine, thats the sex offenders institution isn't it ?

    Mind you, he'd probably still need to be segragated ..

    Midlands holds many sex offenders also, 2 new wings were built specifically for sex offenders in 2012.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭stickybookmark


    I thought I read he was destined for Portlaoise


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭superelliptic


    akelly02 wrote: »
    Midlands holds many sex offenders also, 2 new wings were built specifically for sex offenders in 2012.

    Good to know. I don't mind paying an extra few quid in tax to make sure guys like this never see the light of day again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    the_monkey wrote: »
    Yeah Arbor hill I'd imagine, thats the sex offenders institution isn't it ?

    Mind you, he'd probably still need to be segragated ..

    Technically he's not a sex offender though, it was murder.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    chicorytip wrote: »
    It's a wonder that the devious so and so never pursued the old "guilty but Insane" ploy.His reportedly "erratic" behaviour in prison may be a deliberate ruse to engineer a transfer to the Central Mental Hospital and, therefore, a more lenient sentence.

    As soon as I read that a 'reliable source' claims he is not coping in prison and mumbling to himself constantly, I thought that it must be an act. He is arrogant enough to think the game is not up yet, and as many others have pointed out it is too late for him to change course and claim he was involved in Elaine's accidental death.

    The only ship that hasn't sailed (in his eyes) could be insanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 966 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    sadie06 wrote: »
    As soon as I read that a 'reliable source' claims he is not coping in prison and mumbling to himself constantly, I thought that it must be an act. He is arrogant enough to think the game is not up yet, and as many others have pointed out it is too late for him to change course and claim he was involved in Elaine's accidental death.

    The only ship that hasn't sailed (in his eyes) could be insanity.

    Not a chance. With that much planning and manipulation he's sane but extremely evil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Tayla wrote: »
    Up until what point could he have changed his statement or spoke to the gardai again to backtrack? When the book of evidence is served does his defense team have access to everything?

    He admitted having sex with her, he denied that the phones were his despite all the evidence linking him to them, when asked how he contacted Elaines iphone he said he couldn't explain because he denied the other phones were his and there was no phone calls from his registered phone to her, he also denied being into knife play and surely he knew that they had found the videos of him stabbing people.

    But Dwyer still believed. right up to the moment the verdict was read out, that the state hadn't proved its case!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 625 ✭✭✭130Kph


    If you were GD's workmate would you have realised he was a repulsive deviant? I don't think I would. Most would quickly identify him as obnoxious or arrogant but I doubt he would tell his friends or workmates about his interest in 'knife play', even after a few drinks.

    Unless we carried out deep psychological evaluations on everyone and since a policy of eugenics is 'beyond the pale' it unfortunately looks like society decides to accept small (?) numbers of its most vulnerable members being tortured and sadistically murdered by sick, malicious scum like him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Mallagio wrote: »
    The more you read about this guy and the case, the more you realize just how lucky the Gardai were in catching his ass.

    So scary to imagine him still on the streets.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Graham Dwyer makes a very good case for reintroducing the death penalty.

    Why waste millions of euro keeping him locked up for the rest of his life ?

    A rope would be alot cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Graham Dwyer makes a very good case for reintroducing the death penalty
    .
    No, he doesn't.

    Anyone have the links to the stuff he had downloaded on his computer? PM please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 966 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Graham Dwyer makes a very good case for reintroducing the death penalty.

    Why waste millions of euro keeping him locked up for the rest of his life ?

    A rope would be alot cheaper.

    I oscillate on this one and on balance no. Even when beyond doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Graham Dwyer makes a very good case for reintroducing the death penalty.

    Why waste millions of euro keeping him locked up for the rest of his life ?

    A rope would be alot cheaper.

    Millions?

    That's some expensive porridge!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Millions?

    That's some expensive porridge!

    It costs about 100k a year to keep someone locked up in a high security prison.

    If Dwyer was locked up for 40 years that would cost the tax payer 4 million euro.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Danbo!


    130Kph wrote: »
    If you were GD's workmate would you have realised he was a repulsive deviant? I don't think I would. Most would quickly identify him as obnoxious or arrogant...

    I used to work with him but can't say much due to the hearsay ruling of the mods, but hypothetically speaking, this could be an incredibly spot on observation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 966 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Millions?

    That's some expensive porridge!

    Close to 100k per year per prisoner. Yep it is expensive.

    Especially when we can't afford respite care for the weakest and most desperate in our society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    It costs about 100k a year to keep someone locked up in a high security prison.

    If Dwyer was locked up for 40 years that would cost the tax payer 4 million euro.

    It doesn't save much money to execute them by the time they've gone through all the appeals.

    Personally I'm against the death penalty because I think death is too good for some people. Some people should spend every day of the remainder of their miserable lives in a 10'x6' room, knowing that they will never breath free air again. Just a shame it's not a dank pit in some cases.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    No matter how much it costs, this guy locked up is money well spent.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    kylith wrote: »
    It doesn't save much money to execute them by the time they've gone through all the appeals.

    Personally I'm against the death penalty because I think death is too good for some people. Some people should spend every day of the remainder of their miserable lives in a 10'x6' room, knowing that they will never breath free air again. Just a shame it's not a dank pit in some cases.

    They have it too easy in prision with their gyms, plamsa tvs, playstations, snooker tables, libraries etc.

    If Dwyer is going to be locked up they should just put him in a cage in Dublin Zoo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    They have it too easy in prision with their gyms, plamsa tvs, playstations, snooker tables, libraries etc.
    Whenever I hear or see stuff like this, I imagine that the vast majority of people that trot this bollocks out would shit themselves at the mere thought of spending a week inside.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Mallagio wrote: »
    The more you read about this guy and the case, the more you realize just how lucky the Gardai were in catching his ass.

    The hot Summer and with it the low levels of water in the reservoir were his undoing.
    That and the diligent fishermen who saw the rucksack in the water plus the Garda who went back again and again continuing to search and eventually finding the phones and the Dunnes Stores loyalty car in Elaine O'Hara's name.

    With our usual weather pattern he would never have been caught.


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