Gorse Hill eviction ratified by court

Marcusm · 19-04-2015 12:53PM

cloud493 wrote: »

I've said it before, but I find it baffling how any one person can owe anyone or any institution that much money, its insane. And the fact this bloke has the gall to drag it out long as possible like he has some defence of what he's done, so he shouldn't have to leave.

The owed more than €1bn at one stage. Sure the balance of €60mill is so small it should be written off.

Marcusm · 19-04-2015 01:04PM

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

That then leads to the question of who or what entity drew down the funds and thereby is liable for the repayment of the monies - The Trust, which is a Limited Company, The Trustees, or the O'Donnells or some other body.

It might look like utter BS to you, but it's a legal structure, and it has to proven, under Law, that it is within the BOI's rights to take possession of the property. The O'Donnels are also within their rights to counter-argue for as long as they have an argument the Courts find credible enough to deserve a hearing.

I don't have much interest either way in the outcome, I'm just trying to explain why it could well take a fair while to sort and isn't as clear cut as people seem to believe..

The pleaded facts are slightly different and have shifted. The property is owned by Vico Ltd which some years ago guaranteed the personal debts of the elder O'Donnells. When the matters came to court, Mr O'Donnell turned up with paperwork (of disputed and unproven provenance) that Vico Ltd was standing as trustee for the children and perhaps this should defeat the mortgage. Now that all of that has been dealt with and subordinated to the mortgage he and his wife have returned from their true and ever lasting home in the UK (where they have their burial plots, library cards and residents association memberships) to assert a "right of residence" which was purportedly granted to them moons ago and which he now asserts he has not abandoned despite abandoning all residence in Ireland.

They are all self deluded.

Galwayguy35 · 19-04-2015 01:15PM

What will Gerry Bead do when it's over, no excuse to be on the tele anymore.

Massimo Cassagrande · 19-04-2015 01:30PM

Marcusm wrote: »

The pleaded facts are slightly different and have shifted. The property is owned by Vico Ltd which some years ago guaranteed the personal debts of the elder O'Donnells. When the matters came to court, Mr O'Donnell turned up with paperwork (of disputed and unproven provenance) that Vico Ltd was standing as trustee for the children and perhaps this should defeat the mortgage. Now that all of that has been dealt with and subordinated to the mortgage he and his wife have returned from their true and ever lasting home in the UK (where they have their burial plots, library cards and residents association memberships) to assert a "right of residence" which was purportedly granted to them moons ago and which he now asserts he has not abandoned despite abandoning all residence in Ireland.

They are all self deluded.

A tangled web...untangling it might take a while...

chrysagon · 19-04-2015 04:41PM

a stench of greed

VinLieger · 19-04-2015 04:42PM

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

A tangled web...untangling it might take a while...

Not really, they live in england 99% of the time until this kicked off and it was prudent for them to move back claim it as their primary residence, not exactly rocket science to figure out

Massimo Cassagrande · 19-04-2015 05:23PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Not really, they live in england 99% of the time until this kicked off and it was prudent for them to move back claim it as their primary residence, not exactly rocket science to figure out

Courts tend to not go too much on "Figuring things out" tho so no doubt each and every loophole, argument and angle has to be exhausted first..

Marcusm · 19-04-2015 05:35PM

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

A tangled web...untangling it might take a while...

It's been untangled; they are now creating and pleading matters which they have previously omitted to raise. They know enough of law and procedure to frustrate the orders of the court. I suspect that, had they the cash or the inclination, that they would find it difficult to find a barrister who would be willing to act on this matter.

darkpagandeath · 19-04-2015 06:08PM

Were they not in the Uk going on about homes there being the Family home ?

Marcusm · 19-04-2015 07:07PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Were they not in the Uk going on about homes there being the Family home ?

That was in the context of an England & Wales High Court case following which the judge stated that he did not regard Mr O'Donnell as a frank or even a wholly truthful witness.

We Irish should of course disregard such statements as the rantings of perfidious Albion.

29-04-2015 12:12PM

Looks like they've left.

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0429/697512-brian-odonnell-gorse-hill/

stevedublin · 29-04-2015 12:16PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Looks like they've left.

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0429/697512-brian-odonnell-gorse-hill/

but he is going to appeal to European Court of Human rights and if that doesn't work the Interplanetary Council of Elders.

Hitchens · 29-04-2015 01:05PM

It was the old keys he threw at Boucher:pac:

mathie · 29-04-2015 01:08PM

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/brian-odonnell-tosses-keys-of-gorse-hill-at-bank-of-ireland-boss-31181741.html

Mr O'Donnell said that they had been to court 82 times and had lost 82 times. "Statistically that's impossible," he said.

... but actually possible if you're in the wrong.

diomed · 29-04-2015 01:13PM

Throwing back the keys is so Celtic Tiger.

cloud493 · 29-04-2015 01:14PM

Apparently the keys thrown back are the old locks, and the current locks have been changed.

Lollipops23 · 29-04-2015 01:14PM

This family is scum. The arrogance and entitlement they've shown knows no bounds.

Dr Strange · 29-04-2015 01:15PM

The saga continues! Although it says the receiver has taken possession it seems that Jerry Beades posted a note on the gate saying that the house is property of VICO LIMITED and that they would see any BOI or receiver entering the grounds as trespassers. They apparently changed the locks and electronic access fobs too. What a bunch of wasters :rolleyes:

Link: http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0429/697512-brian-odonnell-gorse-hill/

StewartGriffin · 29-04-2015 01:16PM

FFS, if he was going to make a dramatic event of it he could have tossed them a bit harder than that. "Fiddlesticks to you, Mister Boucher!"

That told him!

seamus · 29-04-2015 01:16PM

Walking up to the desk at the AGM and dropping the keys in front of the CEO.

What an egotistical cock, like he's the only person in the world who's ever had a property repossessed by a bank.

This is nothing but a deliberate circus for the O'Donnells from start to finish, a cry for attention from the media.

seamus · 29-04-2015 01:18PM

Preusse wrote: »

The saga continues! Although it says the receiver has taken posetion it seems that Jerry Beades posted a note on the gate saying that the house is property of VICO LIMITED and that they would see any BOI or receiver entering the grounds as trespassers. They apparently changed the locks and electronic access fobs too. What a bunch of wasters :rolleyes:

Jerry Beades can do what he likes. Now that the bank are in possession of the property they can legally change the locks and access codes without having to deal with Jerry.

Dr Strange · 29-04-2015 01:19PM

seamus wrote: »

Jerry Beades can do what he likes. Now that the bank are in possession of the property they can legally change the locks and access codes without having to deal with Jerry.

Maybe we see some scuffles....then again, maybe not.

take everything · 29-04-2015 01:19PM

stevedublin wrote: »

and if that doesn't work the Interplanetary Council of Elders.

Beades is pretty familiar with them I'd say.

29-04-2015 01:24PM

If they are out on the road, I can donate an old pair of runners and a brown paper bag to cover the bottle of cheap sherry, and maybe a string for the dog.

josip · 29-04-2015 01:26PM

and finally that family will now fade away into irrelevance...

29-04-2015 01:28PM

josip wrote: »

and finally that family will now fade away into irrelevance...

Surely not, I hope people remember to point and laugh at them for aaaaaaaages.

It set news records for lack of dignity.

foxy farmer · 29-04-2015 01:34PM

Never mind sending in the receiver send in a bulldozer.
My biggest fear was the longer this saga continued the more likely some sympathetic judge would hear the case. Then the whole case would be thrown out the window and o Donnell could stay there regardless.
Nice to see justice prevailing in the end.

Muff Richardson · 29-04-2015 01:37PM

if he is taking this for some ludicrous reason to the European court of human rights as he says he is, does it mean the property will be in legal limbo for another long period of time until that is laughed out of court, or can BOI go ahead straight away with selling the property???

29-04-2015 01:38PM

Muff Richardson wrote: »

if he is taking this for some ludicrous reason to the European court of human rights as he says he is, does it mean the property will be in legal limbo for another long period of time until that is laughed out of court, or can BOI go ahead straight away with selling the property???

I'd say they can go ahead, presume if he goes further there won't be any stay on any order pending a hearing and all he could possibly seek is damages. Can't be certain but don't think all decisions here are up in the air while someone mulls over their ECJ options.

pmasterson95 · 29-04-2015 01:38PM

Whos paying for the 82 court cases?

Gorse Hill eviction ratified by court

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