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Gorse Hill eviction ratified by court

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    cloud493 wrote: »
    I've said it before, but I find it baffling how any one person can owe anyone or any institution that much money, its insane. And the fact this bloke has the gall to drag it out long as possible like he has some defence of what he's done, so he shouldn't have to leave.
    well, the banks were stupid enough to lend him such huge amounts.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Hitchens wrote: »
    I must say I don't understand this case at all

    1. The Supreme Court rules that the bank are the owners.

    2. An eviction notice served

    3. It is appealed to a lower court (even though the SP has given their ruling) :confused:

    4. The appeal is refused.

    5. A new appeal is being considered .......to where? yes, the Supreme Court :confused:


    anyone able to explain this in laymans terms?

    Money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    What an absolute crock of ****. I wonder how many appeals Johnny and Mary from Moyross would be allowed.


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Say if an average Joe were to be in the exact same situation, would they ever be given as much leniency as these people have been receiving?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭GerB40


    cloud493 wrote: »
    I've said it before, but I find it baffling how any one person can owe anyone or any institution that much money, its insane. And the fact this bloke has the gall to drag it out long as possible like he has some defence of what he's done, so he shouldn't have to leave.

    It's actually not that baffling at all. The celtic tiger is a perfect example how one person (or a government) can owe so much money. It's a simple case of borrowing money that doesn't exist and spending it. When you're promised that a million euro loan isn't a big deal because you'll make it back ten times over, it's human nature to take the money. And you're right, it is insane but the burnt hand teaches best. Except in this clowns case. He must be seriously deluded to think he is in the right in this case but I suppose that's what money does...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Hitchens wrote: »
    I must say I don't understand this case at all

    1. The Supreme Court rules that the bank are the owners.

    2. An eviction notice served

    3. It is appealed to a lower court (even though the SP has given their ruling) :confused:

    4. The appeal is refused.

    5. A new appeal is being considered .......to where? yes, the Supreme Court :confused:


    anyone able to explain this in laymans terms?

    The Supreme Court only deal with points of law. It's been bouncing around the High Court in relation to various injunctions and orders. The piece linked looks like it was written by a law student describing the Campus Oil test.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 TONY09


    if they are, fair play to them. the bank deserves the headache

    If anything not fair play.At the end of this Process, the customers of the Bank of Ireland
    will find they are being charged extra on loans ect to cover this fiasco, also the
    Tax payers will be paying some of that hefty load as usual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    TONY09 wrote: »
    If anything not fair play.At the end of this Process, the customers of the Bank of Ireland
    will find they are being charged extra on loans ect to cover this fiasco, also the
    Tax payers will be paying some of that hefty load as usual.
    no, such charges will be nothing to do with this, but will be to do with the begging boal mentality of the bank who will use this as an excuse.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    no, such charges will be nothing to do with this, but will be to do with the begging boal mentality of the bank who will use this as an excuse.

    Rubbish. The banks are losing money on arrears and this costs money which is transferred onto the variable rate lender.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭chrysagon


    money talks... and then the bull**** walks back into their house..

    two tier law as suspected.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    I have an odd take on this, I do think its a joke how much they are wasting court time and money but on the other hand I think if it was me id be digging my heels in and doing anything I could to hold onto it. The fact that they are minted and owe millions make it seem obscene. That said I find it very hard to have any sympathy for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Rubbish. The banks are losing money on arrears and this costs money which is transferred onto the variable rate lender.
    thats what i more or less said, it will be to do with the bank themselves looking for more money. they would do it regardless of this couple

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    I'm fed up with the arrogance of this family hanging on to a house which they do not own and which that the family has not been living in. I think they should be f***ed out a.s.a.p..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    The O'Donnells of Gorse Hill have launched yet another High Court action, this time challenging a "dawn raid" on their Killiney home by the state's bankruptcy supervisor.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/new-front-opens-in-gorse-hill-row-31153706.html


    The fight goes on then
    !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Hitchens wrote: »
    The O'Donnells of Gorse Hill have launched yet another High Court action, this time challenging a "dawn raid" on their Killiney home by the state's bankruptcy supervisor.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/new-front-opens-in-gorse-hill-row-31153706.html


    The fight goes on then
    !

    Blakey reckons they'll be there for another 5 years at least. Did you read this pile of arrogance?

    Gorse Hill: 'We'll still be living there next year' - Blake O'Donnell

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gorse-hill-well-still-be-living-there-next-year-blake-odonnell-31152750.html
    “I don’t know how long this will go on but we could be fighting it for another five years. If a bank doesn't like you, they can run a legal vendetta against you forever.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Who do these people think they are? Their arrogance is unbelievable.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    vienne86 wrote: »
    Who do these people think they are? Their arrogance is unbelievable.
    They believe that they're "worth it!" with so many knowledgeable contacts in the right places, this could go on for years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    They believe that they're "worth it!" with so many knowledgeable contacts in the right places, this could go on for years.

    And if Blake doesn't get what he want's he alludes to suicide. Legal arguments must be running thin if they're resorting to emotional ones




    Speaking to Marian Finucane on RTE Radio 1, Mr O’Donnell was asked by the host as to why his family had not simply walked away from the €7 million house, given that they owed Bank of Ireland “some €60 million in debts”.


    “Well there are people that do let it go and end up hanging themselves,” he retorted.



    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gorse-hill-well-still-be-living-there-next-year-blake-odonnell-31152750.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    I'd say Johnny Taxpayer will be the one footing the bill for all this sh*te, if it ever ends.
    flutered wrote: »
    sean c citizen will end up funding the lot
    Tim F Averageson will end up paying the piper I reckon!
    anncoates wrote: »
    And his brother Joe Q.
    And his French cousin Joe Le Taxipayer.

    Looks like the legal bill will be split 5 ways so. Wouldn't like to be one of them !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Doubt had been cast on his credibility because of his failure to reveal that he earns a £120,000-a-year consultancy fee for managing an office block in London, which had been bought at the height of the success of his property empire, while he had been “evasive” on other issues.

    In addition, Mr O’Donnell had claimed all of the couple’s creditors – not just Bank of Ireland and AIB – had been told about their move to London late last year to a house bought in Westminster in London in 2007 for £10 million.

    “I cannot accept this. Had it been the truth, the O’Donnells would have copies of the letters and would have exhibited them,” said the judge, while Mr O’Donnell’s denial that he had applied for a renewal of his Irish solicitor’s practising licence was not “plausible”.

    http://ukbusinessproperty.co.uk/news/o-donnell-s-bankruptcy-petition-fails




    ^^Lets not forget this; it's far from poor they are


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    Not to condone violence but that Blake deserves a smack in the gob... what a total wanker he is!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Hitchens wrote: »
    The O'Donnells of Gorse Hill have launched yet another High Court action, this time challenging a "dawn raid" on their Killiney home by the state's bankruptcy supervisor.

    [/I]!

    I shouted that out in my head because it was written in bold


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭hopgog


    whupdedo wrote: »
    I shouted that out in my head because it was written in bold

    Bold is for importance, caps is for shouting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,610 ✭✭✭Titzon Toast


    hopgog wrote: »
    Bold is for importance, caps is for shouting
    ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?!


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's about 2 months after the time to send in the Gardai, beating all round them with batons, but reckon it'd still be enjoyable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    In order to comprehend the ownership structure of Gorse Hill, you would need a legal degree - it is bound up in Trust -that trust is a Limited Company based in the Isle of Man, and the Trust has two shareholdings, each issued at a value of £1, - ownership is vested and the Trust has a complex arrangement with the O'Donnells whereby they get to live in Gorse Hill but the Trust holds Gorse Hill as an Asset..

    So, the Legal arguments are between BOI, who claim ownership through Mortgage default, The Isle of Man Trust who claim ownership, The Trustees and The O'Donnells - far from clear cut and far from simple to unravel. Mr O'Donnell was and is a very bright Lawyer well used to complex ownership structures and so, he has an argument to make that the other side has to disprove. That could take a bit of doing.

    That's why it's still ongoing, and it could well be ongoing for a good while longer.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In order to comprehend the ownership structure of Gorse Hill, you would need a legal degree - it is bound up in Trust -that trust is a Limited Company based in the Isle of Man, and the Trust has two shareholdings, each issued at a value of £1, - ownership is vested and the Trust has a complex arrangement with the O'Donnells whereby they get to live in Gorse Hill but the Trust holds Gorse Hill as an Asset..

    That's if you buy the utter bs.

    Bet the ownership wasn't so complex with years needed to untangle it when they wanted all that money drawn down using it as security.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    That's if you buy the utter bs.

    Bet the ownership wasn't so complex with years needed to untangle it when they wanted all that money drawn down using it as security.

    That then leads to the question of who or what entity drew down the funds and thereby is liable for the repayment of the monies - The Trust, which is a Limited Company, The Trustees, or the O'Donnells or some other body.

    It might look like utter BS, but it's a legal structure, and it has to proven, under Law, that it is within the BOI's rights to take possession of the property. The O'Donnels are also within their rights to counter-argue for as long as they have an argument the Courts find credible enough to deserve a hearing.

    I don't have much interest either way in the outcome, I'm just trying to explain why it could well take a fair while to sort and isn't as clear cut as people seem to believe..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    That's if you buy the utter bs.

    Bet the ownership wasn't so complex with years needed to untangle it when they wanted all that money drawn down using it as security.

    That then leads to the question of who or what entity drew down the funds and thereby is liable for the repayment of the monies - The Trust, which is a Limited Company, The Trustees, or the O'Donnells or some other body.

    It might look like utter BS to you, but it's a legal structure, and it has to proven, under Law, that it is within the BOI's rights to take possession of the property. The O'Donnels are also within their rights to counter-argue for as long as they have an argument the Courts find credible enough to deserve a hearing.

    I don't have much interest either way in the outcome, I'm just trying to explain why it could well take a fair while to sort and isn't as clear cut as people seem to believe..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    New York post there, Massie :D


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