Assault on Paul Deaton

SILVAMAN · 18-04-2015 09:56AM

About time that certain crimes, when sentencing is being considered, are not allowed the benefit of consideration of a guilty plea, age of defendant, background, etc.
At a certain age, it should be pretty fcking clear that one's conduct is criminal, and that there is no mitigating circumstance which can be proffered as an excuse. The notion that rehabilitation form an integral part of our criminal justice system ought to be scrapped, and the revolving prison door securely bolted shut.
How many times have similar incidents from around the world made news headlines? No more excuses. Jail the kaffirs for a minimum of 10 years and make an example of them.

18-04-2015 10:06AM

SILVAMAN wrote: »

About time that certain crimes, when sentencing is being considered, are not allowed the benefit of consideration of a guilty plea..

So everyone would contest matters, there being no benefit to a guilty plea.

Thus ramping up the cost of cases considerably, clogging the existing courts system as half hour pleas turn into week long battles.

Thus depriving money from other essential services. Like Gardai, or providing for people with special needs.

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Jail the kaffirs...

Am...I don't know what to say really. Maybe you mean it innocently but there are a thousand other words.

bjork · 18-04-2015 10:07AM

I wonder have their parents done the decent thing and marched them down to the station?

cloud493 · 18-04-2015 10:17AM

bjork wrote: »

I wonder have their parents done the decent thing and marched them down to the station?

No, the parents will be making the usual excuses they make in these cases 'they're good lads really' 'they fell in with the wrong crowd' 'never done anything like this before' 'i wasnt a good parent' etc.

anncoates · 18-04-2015 10:21AM

Del.Monte wrote: »

You must be delusional if you think that things were as bad thirty years ago as they are today..

I'm not delusional and I don't think Dublin is any rougher now than it was in 1985.

Plus the notion that there were no cruel little fcukers back in the day is all a bit Rare Auld Times.

Terrible story. Heart goes out to the poor guy.

kilburn · 18-04-2015 10:29AM

This country is full of animals

cloud493 · 18-04-2015 10:30AM

kilburn wrote: »

This country is full of animals

Well thats not true, just that scumbags are better a news story than 'people going about their day not kicking other peoples heads in'

bjork · 18-04-2015 10:45AM

cloud493 wrote: »

No, the parents will be making the usual excuses they make in these cases 'they're good lads really' 'they fell in with the wrong crowd' 'never done anything like this before' 'i wasnt a good parent' etc.

Yes this unfortunately is properly closer to the truth

myshirt · 18-04-2015 11:34AM

I hope this draws attention to the wider subset of scumbag in this country; the scumbags who prospered while others were left behind.

And still it continues. I, as anyone else is, am absolutely appalled that we have kids amongst us that would do this, but it is the whole package of this man's story that is what is most shocking. He truly has been let down; his family are a thorough credit to the strength of the human spirit. Anyone reading here sitting on a defined benefit public service pension, for absolute and utter piss poor performance, you should hang your head in shame.

conorhal · 18-04-2015 11:43AM

bjork wrote: »

I wonder have their parents done the decent thing and marched them down to the station?

I'd suspect that their parents haven't done a single decent thing in their lives, which is probably why they've raised a bunch of sociopathic animals and unleashed them on the rest of us.

SeanW · 18-04-2015 12:24PM

bjork wrote: »

I wonder have their parents done the decent thing and marched them down to the station?

Would they ****?

cloud493 · 18-04-2015 12:33PM

If I was a betting man, I'd put money on them getting probation/community service, and 'writing a letter of apology to the victim'

osarusan · 18-04-2015 12:35PM

myshirt wrote: »

Anyone reading here sitting on a defined benefit public service pension, for absolute and utter piss poor performance, you should hang your head in shame.

Hahahaha. Yeah, lets link this to public pensions.

kupus · 18-04-2015 12:54PM

scummers breeding scummers.

and each generation is getting worse and worse as they pick it up from their parents.

Ireland really has changed so much in the last thirty years. And not for the better.

EazyD · 18-04-2015 01:03PM

kupus wrote: »

scummers breeding scummers.

and each generation is getting worse and worse as they pick it up from their parents.

Ireland really has changed so much in the last thirty years. And not for the better.

I hear the scummers breeding scummers thing a lot and I've no doubt it holds some weight but I'm not entirely sure.

Growing up in the 90's there were some kids I went to school with that were just *****. Parents happened to be really nice people that just couldn't control them.

One lad in particular stood out. It was his fathers birthday and he was asked to stay for a small bit of dinner/cake before heading out with his scummer pals. Enraged by such a request, he saw it fit to hit his father and throw a brick through the window of his new car he had got that day. Unsurprisingly he did a stretch in the joy couple of years later.

Moral of the story is bad parenting does lead to such types but some will always be that way irrespective of their environment.

myshirt · 18-04-2015 02:12PM

osarusan wrote: »

Hahahaha. Yeah, lets link this to public pensions.

Sher if I had known the job was going, I'd have ran disability services into the ground for half the price.

Because yes, let's bring into focus the disgusting culture and sense of entitlement these people have. Because it very much is still a live issue, what with the teachers and their latest maneuvers, sticking the paw out. And here are the reprecussions of that culture.

You'd want to have some neck to be today sitting on one of those pension pots, smoking cigars and eating lobster having left this mess behind you.

18-04-2015 02:21PM

myshirt wrote: »

Sher if I had known the job was going, I'd have ran disability services into the ground for half the price.

Because yes, let's bring into focus the disgusting culture and sense of entitlement these people have. Because it very much is still a live issue, what with the teachers and their latest maneuvers, sticking the paw out. And here are the reprecussions of that culture.

You'd want to have some neck to be today sitting on one of those pension pots, smoking cigars and eating lobster having left this mess behind you.

I didn't realise that babysitting and being a disciplinarian were in a teachers remit.

myshirt · 18-04-2015 02:29PM

circadian wrote: »

I didn't realise that babysitting and being a disciplinarian were in a teachers remit.

Let's not divert, the point relates to a culture and greed issue which feeds into the less than desirable situation this man is in and has lived, while underperforming public servants are smoking cigars and eating lobsters. I am appalled at what happened this chap, and even more revolted at the overall situation of his story.

CiDeRmAn · 18-04-2015 02:32PM

Unfortunately the type of kids that would do this don't come with a sign saying "I'm a scumbag".
Over the years I've watched kids from every background and social strata giving vulnerable adults and kids a hard time.
And I've seen kids from the toughest of areas being kind and helpful to people that need support the most.

Education, exposure to more people with special needs, integrated schooling these things go a long way to stamping out this sort of intolerance and abuse.

And let's not forget the high brow commentator Ruth Dudley Edwards and her comments about people with ID in the context of the Special Olympics, and that sets a time and atmosphere that its OK to see supporting people with ID as a joke and a waste of time.

osarusan · 18-04-2015 03:00PM

myshirt wrote: »

Let's not divert

That's all you have done.

Teachers, pension pots, lobsters and cigars, wtf are you even talking about?

RollieFingers · 18-04-2015 03:10PM

petrolcan wrote: »

That'll be a no then. Thanks for the personal attack though.

What personal attack?

Cold War Kid · 18-04-2015 11:35PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I have the greatest sympathy for people living in poverty, and where I tend to hang out in Dublin at the moment I'm surrounded by sad and heartbreaking reminders of it. But you're talking as if every human being is born sadistic and has to have it "taught" out of them. Everyone, no matter what background they come from, has the ability to understand that causing suffering to another person intentionally is wrong. In order for your argument to work, every single person brought up on a drug-ridden council estate would turn into a monster, yet the vast majority of them do not.

I am not saying that at all. I know that the majority of people who have awful upbringings don't turn into horrible *****, and that there's probably some "badness" there in the first place for them to do as they do. But all I'm saying is that if they have had a dreadful upbringing with no love, stability, values etc and they do terrible things to others, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the circumstances that have led to them doing as they have done. It is not excusing it, it is simply recognition of what has caused them to turn out as they have done, and if they had a better upbringing there is a strong chance it wouldn't have happened.
I'm only contesting the notion that this is deemed an excuse and approval of what they've done - it isn't whatsoever. They're still responsible for their actions and deserve consequences, but it's ridiculous to ignore the factors that may have led to this.

worded · 18-04-2015 11:58PM

Three scum bags will get their comeuppance in time.

His could anyone live with themselves after doing something like this high or not?

CiDeRmAn · 19-04-2015 12:40AM

worded wrote: »

Three scum bags will get their comeuppance in time.

His could anyone live with themselves after doing something like this high or not?

Unfortunately, as much as I'd like to believe that they will have their reckoning in time I don't believe they will.
They'll grow up and forget what they did.
They'll have kids of their own and spread the kind of hate they ferment onto their children.

The truth is they will probably get away without being caught.
Justice is something that has to be imposed on people by society, its not "natural" and it's not "inevitable", no, it's a construct that we use as foundation of modern society.
Still important, if not vital, the rule of law.
And the horror of the rest of us is testament that we will.never accept this kind of mistreatment.
But would we extend the courtesy to those of our society that are similarly maligned but less sympathetic?
Travellers, Immigrants, Homosexuals, Elderly, Poor, People on Social Weldare.

foggy_lad · 19-04-2015 01:37AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I am not saying that at all. I know that the majority of people who have awful upbringings don't turn into horrible *****, and that there's probably some "badness" there in the first place for them to do as they do. But all I'm saying is that if they have had a dreadful upbringing with no love, stability, values etc and they do terrible things to others, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the circumstances that have led to them doing as they have done. It is not excusing it, it is simply recognition of what has caused them to turn out as they have done, and if they had a better upbringing there is a strong chance it wouldn't have happened.
I'm only contesting the notion that this is deemed an excuse and approval of what they've done - it isn't whatsoever. They're still responsible for their actions and deserve consequences, but it's ridiculous to ignore the factors that may have led to this.

What about the hundreds of thousdands of people who grow up in similar or worse situations who are law abiding, well adjusted and respectful members of society?

Having a dreadful upbringing is no excuse or mitigation for any kind of unprovoked attack on any person and people who behave like this should be incarcerated for as long as they remain a threat to others in society! Build a prison asylum and lock the degenerates up until they show they will behave!

anyone who puts themselves outside of society by their behaviour etc should not be allowed to benefit in any way from society including being barred from receiving welfare or health benefits.

Cold War Kid · 19-04-2015 01:40AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

What about the hundreds of thousdands of people who grow up in similar or worse situations who are law abiding, well adjusted and respectful members of society?

I acknowledged them.

Having a dreadful upbringing is no excuse or mitigation for any kind of unprovoked attack on any person

And I also acknowledged that.

Read all of things instead of just the bits that suit you.

bodhrandude · 19-04-2015 02:00AM

These guys that did this they should be sent to a borstal like the good old days in the 1970s, 1980s. If anyone wants to know what a borstal is I recommend you watch Scum from 1979, do they still exist in the UK? Is there a prison here for young offenders. Sorry its more questions than adding anything really to the thread.

Cold War Kid · 19-04-2015 02:03AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

I recommend you watch Scum from 1979

:eek: Not the very end bit though. That slightly messed me up for a while.

foggy_lad · 19-04-2015 02:07AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I acknowledged them.

And I also acknowledged that.

Read all of things instead of just the bits that suit you.

You said

if they have had a dreadful upbringing with no love, stability, values etc and they do terrible things to others, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging the circumstances that have led to them doing as they have done.

But I am saying that the same and worse circumstances that millions of others grow up with have not made them into monsters, so what is different about these few reprobates? These monsters are obviously deranged and must be incarcerated indefinitely for the welfare and protection of society.

Smidge · 19-04-2015 02:31AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

These guys that did this they should be sent to a borstal like the good old days in the 1970s, 1980s. If anyone wants to know what a borstal is I recommend you watch Scum from 1979, do they still exist in the UK? Is there a prison here for young offenders. Sorry its more questions than adding anything really to the thread.

I'm in no way meaning to be argumentative at all but imo the borstals of the day bred some of the worst criminals ever. Some went in on minor charges and came out loopers of the highest order. I suppose thats why they got shot of the borstal system.

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