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mf240 · 16-04-2015 10:41PM

Injuryprone wrote: »

2nd cow (survived) couldn't be brought out of the paddock, was walking around uncontrollable through wires. Then would loose coordination of front legs and go down. Looking at her you would think brain damage. Has since come around and is back with the herd but has maybe injured a front leg with all the antics. I didn't see the first one but was supposedly similar.

Was it grass tetany ? What did vet give.

Doubth its connected to the b fat issue but you never know.

stanflt · 16-04-2015 10:54PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

much meal stan?
40% heifers here.
Have halve the cows seen bulling in ten days here.

6.7 kg avg- ready to drop the base to 1 kg for first 25 litres

It won't make much difference as 40% of herd doing over 40 litres a day and there maxed out on feed to yield at 8 kg anyway

Injuryprone · 16-04-2015 10:54PM

mf240 wrote: »

Was it grass tetany ? What did vet give.

Doubth its connected to the b fat issue but you never know.

I don't think it was tetany. They were both done first thing and showed no improvement. Don't know what else vet gave only that he treated the 2nd one as if ketosis maybe (he'd be the type to go to the back of the van and come back with a few syringes of stuff and you wouldn't find out what they were til you got the bill!!)

Cow Porter · 17-04-2015 07:23AM

Who are we selling to again,

https://youtu.be/oR6EcYGuOqM

jaymla627 · 17-04-2015 08:02AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

Who are we selling to again,

https://youtu.be/oR6EcYGuOqM

Their costs per litre are probably north of 50 cent a litre and with all fed trucked in from abroad any significant increase in grain price leaves their production costs even higher, the government is subsidizing these farms massively if their was ever a weather event that left wheat prices at say 300 euro a ton 90% of the cows in China would be made into burgers overnight

Cow Porter · 17-04-2015 08:30AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Their costs per litre are probably north of 50 cent a litre and with all fed trucked in from abroad any significant increase in grain price leaves their production costs even higher, the government is subsidizing these farms massively if their was ever a weather event that left wheat prices at say 300 euro a ton 90% of the cows in China would be made into burgers overnight

Let's hope so, they don't do things half measure there anyway. They have cheap labour to make it work too.

jaymla627 · 17-04-2015 08:41AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

Let's hope so, they don't do things half measure there anyway. They have cheap labour to make it work too.

The cheap labour thing massively back fired at the start of all the dairy expansion over their, remember reading some stat that only 50 % of maiden dairy heifers imported as calves ever made it to calving down a couple of years ago, been a massive swing towards hiring in overseas people to run these operations as the chinese themselves really haven't the skills to do so....
Its a funny mindset they have re dairying that for a country that isn't self-sufficent in food and has scare water/land resources realative to their population why the hell are they pushing dairying so strongly when they can import the stuff a hell of a lot cheaper then they can produce it themselves .

Limestone Cowboy · 17-04-2015 09:51AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

Who are we selling to again,

https://youtu.be/oR6EcYGuOqM

Looks like a modern day auschwitz for cows!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 17-04-2015 10:24AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The cheap labour thing massively back fired at the start of all the dairy expansion over their, remember reading some stat that only 50 % of maiden dairy heifers imported as calves ever made it to calving down a couple of years ago, been a massive swing towards hiring in overseas people to run these operations as the chinese themselves really haven't the skills to do so....
Its a funny mindset they have re dairying that for a country that isn't self-sufficent in food and has scare water/land resources realative to their population why the hell are they pushing dairying so strongly when they can import the stuff a hell of a lot cheaper then they can produce it themselves .

Food security.

We forget, here in the west, that the majority of people around the world are dependant on the next harvest for their food supplies for the next year whereas we are rich enough to import food to supply any shortage that may occur.

jaymla627 · 17-04-2015 11:08AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Food security.

We forget, here in the west, that the majority of people around the world are dependant on the next harvest for their food supplies for the next year whereas we are rich enough to import food to supply any shortage that may occur.

Food security re dairying in China wouldnt be a good reason though and makes no sense as well over 90% of alot of these mega farms feed requirements for the cows are imported on ships from overseas and added on to this the water requirements of these dairies would be insane all these dairies do is take water,land and labour away from staple foods they survive of like rice pork etc....

mahoney_j · 17-04-2015 11:30AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The cheap labour thing massively back fired at the start of all the dairy expansion over their, remember reading some stat that only 50 % of maiden dairy heifers imported as calves ever made it to calving down a couple of years ago, been a massive swing towards hiring in overseas people to run these operations as the chinese themselves really haven't the skills to do so....
Its a funny mindset they have re dairying that for a country that isn't self-sufficent in food and has scare water/land resources realative to their population why the hell are they pushing dairying so strongly when they can import the stuff a hell of a lot cheaper then they can produce it themselves .

Have a brother who works for Gea from time to time there and he says the potential there is massive.big thing is the Chinese don't trust there own farmers to produce clean high quality food.a lot of the labour on those super farms is coming from oz and New Zealand and at that he tells me it is the lads who couldn't cut the mustard in their own country .i think it could be a long time before we have to worry about the chineese becoming self sufficient .too many issues there from costs to labour to bio security etc

roadmaster · 17-04-2015 03:19PM

Hi all,
I hope I am posting in the right thread as I didn't want to open a new one, I travel a lot with work up along the border and one thing that I am starting to have questions over is so called republic farmed milk, I every day see a convoy of Dale Farm milk tankers delivering to Glanbia in virgina in fact it seams to be all dale farm when I pass the place, when I am passing Killeshandra I see a flow of strathroy trucks going into it and when I am in monaghan town its the same with NI Reg tankers . I think Monaghan maybe the only liquid plant of the three but I am not sure. But they supply Aldi with republic only milk, how is this done? do they have separate milk plants with in one? also a local in the topaz I was talking to told me he works there and they supply strathroy with milk. So I am just wondering is there really ROI milk?

C0N0R · 17-04-2015 05:42PM

roadmaster wrote: »

Hi all,
I hope I am posting in the right thread as I didn't want to open a new one, I travel a lot with work up along the border and one thing that I am starting to have questions over is so called republic farmed milk, I every day see a convoy of Dale Farm milk tankers delivering to Glanbia in virgina in fact it seams to be all dale farm when I pass the place, when I am passing Killeshandra I see a flow of strathroy trucks going into it and when I am in monaghan town its the same with NI Reg tankers . I think Monaghan maybe the only liquid plant of the three but I am not sure. But they supply Aldi with republic only milk, how is this done? do they have separate milk plants with in one? also a local in the topaz I was talking to told me he works there and they supply strathroy with milk. So I am just wondering is there really ROI milk?

I know with town of monaghan they have two processing plants, one in the north and one in the south, milk from the south would go up to the north and visa versa but in Monaghan it's not all liquid milk, there is also a yogurt plant and butter manufacturing. As far as I'm aware liquid milk is taken from all southern farms as there are a number of vats for lorries to empty into and liquid milk makes up a very small precentage of the total milk brought in.

Greengrass1 · 17-04-2015 06:58PM

Hoping to spray off 6 ac here next week to reseed.
Thinking of using 0 10 20 at sowing
if I go with 10 10 20 does any of that N stay in soil till plant us ready to use it or is it releases regardless?

atlantic mist · 17-04-2015 08:40PM

So I am just wondering is there really ROI milk?

down south ul get plenty of roi milk depends where u shop,
dont think they lads up north have milk that taste different, wouldnt bother me if they were mixed
got grated ardagh cheese the other day n when got home looked at ingredients potatoes, id find that more annoying at least the milk is milk, who makes ardagh cheese anyone know?

Milked out · 18-04-2015 08:26AM

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/67846001/dairy-farmers-told-to-prepare-for-worst

ABlur · 18-04-2015 08:44AM

atlantic mist wrote: »

down south ul get plenty of roi milk depends where u shop,
dont think they lads up north have milk that taste different, wouldnt bother me if they were mixed
got grated ardagh cheese the other day n when got home looked at ingredients potatoes, id find that more annoying at least the milk is milk, who makes ardagh cheese anyone know?

Newmarket Co-op make the cheese afaik. Its grated elsewhere the 'potato' is starch added as a free flow agent to stop grated cheese sticking together.

whelan2 · 18-04-2015 08:46AM

Cow Porter wrote: »

Who are we selling to again,

https://youtu.be/oR6EcYGuOqM

milk has been collected here every day for the last 2 weeks, has to be day old milk to go for uht to go to china, used to just be a collection once a week every few weeks going for uht, milk tank has never been washed as much

jaymla627 · 18-04-2015 10:51AM

Milked out wrote: »

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/67846001/dairy-farmers-told-to-prepare-for-worst

Funny how he spouts that New Zealand is the lowest cost producer of milk in the world when you divide 32 billion by the 6.5 million odd cows in New Zealand debt level per cow is nearly 5,000 dollars but then when you take into account that 10% of farmers hold 50% of this debt these cows debt levels per cow must be over 20,000 thousand cow.
So it's very likely that 10% of New Zealand dairy farmers are in a position that they're debt levels are more then their assets at the present time and if they get another season of a payout hovering our below the 5 dollars a kg the banks will start to move in unless the government steps in and intervenes

Greengrass1 · 18-04-2015 11:37AM

Local contractor rang this morning wanting to know would we take 100t of maize next October for 50e a tonne
what's it worth?
I know I'll have plenty of silage this yr any way but it would be great for the winter milkers and help alot next spring with alot more cows and a high demand in spring with winter milkers

What area would that amount of maize take up in a pit?

Timmaay · 18-04-2015 02:50PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Local contractor rang this morning wanting to know would we take 100t of maize next October for 50e a tonne
what's it worth?
I know I'll have plenty of silage this yr any way but it would be great for the winter milkers and help alot next spring with alot more cows and a high demand in spring with winter milkers

What area would that amount of maize take up in a pit?

About 1/2 the area of grass silage. Offer him 40e/ton

freedominacup · 18-04-2015 03:28PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Local contractor rang this morning wanting to know would we take 100t of maize next October for 50e a tonne
what's it worth?
I know I'll have plenty of silage this yr any way but it would be great for the winter milkers and help alot next spring with alot more cows and a high demand in spring with winter milkers

What area would that amount of maize take up in a pit?

At 30%dm and 30% starch timmay might be closer to the mark.

delaney001 · 18-04-2015 04:00PM

roadmaster wrote: »

Hi all,
I hope I am posting in the right thread as I didn't want to open a new one, I travel a lot with work up along the border and one thing that I am starting to have questions over is so called republic farmed milk, I every day see a convoy of Dale Farm milk tankers delivering to Glanbia in virgina in fact it seams to be all dale farm when I pass the place, when I am passing Killeshandra I see a flow of strathroy trucks going into it and when I am in monaghan town its the same with NI Reg tankers . I think Monaghan maybe the only liquid plant of the three but I am not sure. But they supply Aldi with republic only milk, how is this done? do they have separate milk plants with in one? also a local in the topaz I was talking to told me he works there and they supply strathroy with milk. So I am just wondering is there really ROI milk?

Department are frightfully strict on this. The way it works is. Republic milk on it's own is ROI. if Northern Irish milk gets added to it, product becomes IOI. And if there is uk milk coming across and mixing in it becomes RG. When the plants are selling this product as powder, milk, cheese or butter they have to sign it off with the milk origin letters. They then also need to provide vet certs for the north or English milk. You can't get product in and try distribute it back out without declaring it. Auditors will find the missing in/out balance.

Greengrass1 · 18-04-2015 04:13PM

freedominacup wrote: »

At 30%dm and 30% starch timmay might be closer to the mark.

Right so we've a 75ft pit here if I left a run the length of that and 3 bales wide (12ft) would it be too much?

freedominacup · 18-04-2015 04:15PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Right so we've a 75ft pit here if I left a run the length of that and 3 bales wide (12ft) would it be too much?

What width is the pit? Nothing to stop you going low rather than narrow. 12ft might be a bit narrow to get good consolidation down the middle of the pit.

Greengrass1 · 18-04-2015 05:33PM

freedominacup wrote: »

What width is the pit? Nothing to stop you going low rather than narrow. 12ft might be a bit narrow to get good consolidation down the middle of the pit.

She's 40 ft wide.
there's a 4 bay hay shed on the left hand side they share the pit wall.
It was used as a pit too.

Whole yard here built 50 yrs ago but only used for about 5 yrs and wasn't used since till 2004

milkprofit · 18-04-2015 07:26PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Local contractor rang this morning wanting to know would we take 100t of maize next October for 50e a tonne
what's it worth?
I know I'll have plenty of silage this yr any way but it would be great for the winter milkers and help alot next spring with alot more cows and a high demand in spring with winter milkers

What area would that amount of maize take up in a pit?

At 30 dm 30 starch 50 e
About the same as cost of 1 st cut silage

wats the craic · 18-04-2015 09:37PM

was just wondering how much more milk is been produced on farms this april . on my own i have 30 precent more cows and volume up 35 precent . tank space is getting tight ...

minktrapper · 18-04-2015 10:32PM

I have a cow with a left displaced abomasum.What is the best cure for it.

trixi2011 · 18-04-2015 10:40PM

minktrapper wrote: »

I have a cow with a left displaced abomasum.What is the best cure for it.

You could try rolling her but probably end up having to get her operated on .

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