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Dairy Farming General

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  • #7802
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    keep going wrote: »
    Different strokes for different folks, his mother is consistently knocking out around 550 600 kilos at circa 4%protein andd with oman, hugo in the background shouldn't be too bad, yes type figures are not great but his protein% is .26 and ebi is 337 so calves shoultd be saleable .I suppose its obvious at this stage that there different goals in breeding and whos to say whos on the right track

    Every one suits themselves up to a point. I suppose.

    Would 460 kgs delivered be good or bad on about 1200 kgs meal. Stocked at 3 cows /ha on amilking platform .


  • #7803
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    mf240 wrote: »
    Every one suits themselves up to a point. I suppose.

    Would 460 kgs delivered be good or bad on about 1200 kgs meal. Stocked at 3 cows /ha on amilking platform .

    1300is excellent provided its spring calving and no diet feeder, but either way its good


  • #7804
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    keep going wrote: »
    1300is excellent provided its spring calving and no diet feeder, but either way its good

    No diet feeder but messing at bit of calving all year round but mostly spring. Just bales and meal in palour or grass.

    Breeding is hol/br fr cross with a few cows bought in the mart on ocasion.


  • #7805
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    Bf down to 3.78 and pr up to 3.51 with loads of fresh grass, so bf:pr ratio of 1.07. What's it meant to be again, do I need to worry about it being this low?


  • #7806
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    mf240 wrote: »
    No diet feeder but messing at bit of calving all year round but mostly spring. Just bales and meal in palour or grass.

    Breeding is hol/br fr cross with a few cows bought in the mart on ocasion.

    What are you planning with quotas gone now, any point expanding? Stocked at 3cows/ha not a huge amount of room to go up without either seriously bumping up bought in feed or zero grazing etc. If you do think it'd worth pushing on output then moving up on the 460kg towards 500/550 the way to go but is it worth the effort as it will be more marginal milk, and probably a higher maintenance cow? Parlour fed nuts on a fty if you don't have it already might actually give a decent return without a big investment like TMR etc.


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  • #7807
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Bf down to 3.78 and pr up to 3.51 with loads of fresh grass, so bf:pr ratio of 1.07. What's it meant to be again, do I need to worry about it being this low?

    Excellent p and respectable bf .presuming ur yields are up around 28/30 and in all grass in which case your bf would be standard.i got mill to add 4 kg per tonne of megafat to my mix and fat has gone from 3.84 to 4.12 over last week and p between 3.43 and 3.49 close to 31 Ltrs all grass no buffer giving me 2.4 kg solids per cow


  • #7808
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Excellent p and respectable bf .presuming ur yields are up around 28/30 and in all grass in which case your bf would be standard.i got mill to add 4 kg per tonne of megafat to my mix and fat has gone from 3.84 to 4.12 over last week and p between 3.43 and 3.49 close to 31 Ltrs all grass no buffer giving me 2.4 kg solids per cow

    26l, as panch pointed out the other day I'm probably throwing away 2/3 litres by bring lazy with my 9hrs between milking though ha. But anyways the megafat sounds interesting, my mill should have no problem mixing it on with the nuts, roughly how much per ton/nuts extra is it? Bumping up the Bf by 0.3 going to be worth in around 1500e to the milk cheque over a month, utter no brainer to try it!


  • #7809
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Timmaay wrote: »
    26l, as panch pointed out the other day I'm probably throwing away 2/3 litres by bring lazy with my 9hrs between milking though ha. But anyways the megafat sounds interesting, my mill should have no problem mixing it on with the nuts, roughly how much per ton/nuts extra is it? Bumping up the Bf by 0.3 going to be worth in around 1500e to the milk cheque over a month, utter no brainer to try it!

    20/ tonne.not cheap but it's working for me .it was either that or start buffering 2 kg wholecrop back in .sheds are empty now and I want to try keep it that way!!


  • #7810
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    20/ tonne.not cheap but it's working for me .it was either that or start buffering 2 kg wholecrop back in .sheds are empty now and I want to try keep it that way!!

    I don't think the whole crop would do anything for your fats based on here. 32l and still climbing. Bf dropped from 4.1 to 3.7 in a couple of collection. 3kg dm of wc going in here. Not much more than a carrier for conc. No in parlour feeding at all. No facilities to do it.


  • #7811
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Bf 3.8 here with p 3.5, have cows on 3 kg flat rate 16% p ration. Yields in or around 26 or 27 L which is ok as lactose is holding and they were doing 3km walking everyday till yday. higher yielders and heifers have been bulling and cows seem content so if weather stays good and I can keep the grass right ill try and hold the ration at that if I can. May add some thing in next load of ration yeast


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  • #7812
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Excellent p and respectable bf .presuming ur yields are up around 28/30 and in all grass in which case your bf would be standard.i got mill to add 4 kg per tonne of megafat to my mix and fat has gone from 3.84 to 4.12 over last week and p between 3.43 and 3.49 close to 31 Ltrs all grass no buffer giving me 2.4 kg solids per cow

    yield 33 ltr

    over a week ago solids took a big hit from 4.2 b/f to 3.7 and p from 3.4 to 3.2

    sudden drop , but slowly coming back each test

    urea is constant at 23 feeding flat 3 kgs of 14% high maize


  • #7813
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    orm0nd wrote: »
    yield 33 ltr

    over a week ago solids took a big hit from 4.2 b/f to 3.7 and p from 3.4 to 3.2

    sudden drop , but slowly coming back each test

    urea is constant at 23 feeding flat 3 kgs of 14% high maize

    Serious yield on just 3 kg of 14% .urea bit on low side though signalling cows could do with a bit more p in diet .at in and around 30/35 for last while here


  • #7814
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭stanflt


    mf240 wrote: »
    Every one suits themselves up to a point. I suppose.

    Would 460 kgs delivered be good or bad on about 1200 kgs meal. Stocked at 3 cows /ha on amilking platform .


    i did 541 delivered on 1278kg meal last year with 10week dry period


  • #7815
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Bf 4.03
    P 3.65
    Scc 65
    urea 27
    tbc 5
    cows still holding well at 26.5
    there's a few bales of hay in shed and few cows helping themselves even though there nor supposed


  • #7816
    degetme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭degetme


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Excellent p and respectable bf .presuming ur yields are up around 28/30 and in all grass in which case your bf would be standard.i got mill to add 4 kg per tonne of megafat to my mix and fat has gone from 3.84 to 4.12 over last week and p between 3.43 and 3.49 close to 31 Ltrs all grass no buffer giving me 2.4 kg solids per cow



    Is the megafat the same as megalac? Fat droped to 3.71 and protein up to 3.51 and i need to keep fat up at 3.85 to get coop base price


  • #7817
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Bf 4.03
    P 3.65
    Scc 65
    urea 27
    tbc 5
    cows still holding well at 26.5
    there's a few bales of hay in shed and few cows helping themselves even though there nor supposed


    NeArly 35 litres
    4.08 f
    3.55 p

    66% of cows bred after 10 days- no intervention


  • #7818
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    At what stage would ye be getting worried about your b'fat/protein ratio? What health implications does it usually result in? Is it lack of fibre that's the cause of it?

    It's just I've a neighbour with 3.48 b'fat, 3.64 prot last test. Had 2 cows go down with mysterious illnesses in the past week, lost 1. Vet's saying maybe ketosis. I'm assuming the 2 are connected. Would the megafat be likely to solve some of the problem?


  • #7819
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    stanflt wrote: »
    NeArly 35 litres
    4.08 f
    3.55 p

    66% of cows bred after 10 days- no intervention

    Over 2.7 kg solids serious going there Stan


  • #7820
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭stanflt


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Over 2.7 kg solids serious going there Stan


    aiming for 600kg ms delivered this year on 1.6ton

    700kg ms delivered in 2016 on 2ton-hence so many submitted


  • #7821
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    Injuryprone wrote: »
    At what stage would ye be getting worried about your b'fat/protein ratio? What health implications does it usually result in? Is it lack of fibre that's the cause of it?

    It's just I've a neighbour with 3.48 b'fat, 3.64 prot last test. Had 2 cows go down with mysterious illnesses in the past week, lost 1. Vet's saying maybe ketosis. I'm assuming the 2 are connected. Would the megafat be likely to solve some of the problem?

    Its an indication of acidosis. You will most lickely see increased lameness as a result.

    Bft lower than protien is not good.
    What other syptoms had the 2 cows. Are they scuttered.


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  • #7822
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    stanflt wrote: »
    aiming for 600kg ms delivered this year on 1.6ton

    700kg ms delivered in 2016 on 2ton-hence so many submitted

    Youd be feeding a nice bit of forage maze and brewers /citrus mix as well as the 1.6 ton i presume ? None the less your really motoring ahead.


  • #7823
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Injuryprone wrote: »
    At what stage would ye be getting worried about your b'fat/protein ratio? What health implications does it usually result in? Is it lack of fibre that's the cause of it?

    It's just I've a neighbour with 3.48 b'fat, 3.64 prot last test. Had 2 cows go down with mysterious illnesses in the past week, lost 1. Vet's saying maybe ketosis. I'm assuming the 2 are connected. Would the megafat be likely to solve some of the problem?
    I've always had a problem with low fats at this stage of year ,was at 3.69 this time last year and at one sage last May I had a fat of 3.52 and p of 3.58.no cows sick but grass was very lush and of a hi quality hence high p.l/p ratio always up around 5 so lots of energy.tried acid buff and sodium bi carbonate and these steadied things a little and bought bf back up around 3.8.the megafat I'm using now really seems to be giving great results but it's early days.to cut a long story short it's a lack of digestible fibre in diet.obvious solution is silage/straw etc but these will decrease your protein which pays a lot more than an equivalent kg of fat .when grass is dry and of a hi quality cows may refuse it also


  • #7824
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭stanflt


    mf240 wrote: »
    Youd be feeding a nice bit of forage maze and brewers /citrus mix as well as the 1.6 ton i presume ? None the less your really motoring ahead.


    brewers is converted to kg/dm in all my quoted figures-no point fooling ourselves


  • #7825
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    I've always had a problem with low fats at this stage of year ,was at 3.69 this time last year and at one sage last May I had a fat of 3.52 and p of 3.58.no cows sick but grass was very lush and of a hi quality hence high p.l/p ratio always up around 5 so lots of energy.tried acid buff and sodium bi carbonate and these steadied things a little and bought bf back up around 3.8.the megafat I'm using now really seems to be giving great results but it's early days.to cut a long story short it's a lack of digestible fibre in diet.obvious solution is silage/straw etc but these will decrease your protein which pays a lot more than an equivalent kg of fat .when grass is dry and of a hi quality cows may refuse it also

    Agree with all of this except last line. Have seen cows cow come in off aftergrass as full as bachelors at a wedding and still tear into the straw. Will hit protien as you say.


  • #7826
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    stanflt wrote: »
    aiming for 600kg ms delivered this year on 1.6ton

    700kg ms delivered in 2016 on 2ton-hence so many submitted

    Are u including your Brewers/citrus mix in that 1.6 tonne ??.ambitious targets as always but id say you'll beat both.aiming to get over 600 kg next year.over 35% heifers in herd this year and am going to let herd mature next year with only 12% heifers added


  • #7827
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    mf240 wrote: »
    Agree with all of this except last line. Have seen cows cow come in off aftergrass as full as bachelors at a wedding and still tear into the straw. Will hit protien as you say.

    Tried really good quality oaten straw and even some top notch hay from local stud farm that you'd nearly eat yourself and they barely glanced at it !!


  • #7828
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭mf240


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Tried really good quality oaten straw and even some top notch hay from local stud farm that you'd nearly eat yourself and they barely glanced at it !!

    Fecking divas!!!!!!


  • #7829
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭stanflt


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Are u including your Brewers/citrus mix in that 1.6 tonne ??.ambitious targets as always but id say you'll beat both.aiming to get over 600 kg next year.over 35% heifers in herd this year and am going to let herd mature next year with only 12% heifers added


    yes brewers/citrus mix included in 1.6ton

    38% heifers this year and same again for the next few years till i find the tipping point as too many cows

    numbers doubled in 3 years without compromise on the system-doing less of my own tractor work is also leaving it so much easier


  • #7830
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    stanflt wrote: »
    NeArly 35 litres
    4.08 f
    3.55 p

    66% of cows bred after 10 days- no intervention

    much meal stan?
    40% heifers here.
    Have halve the cows seen bulling in ten days here.


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  • #7831
    Injuryprone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭Injuryprone


    mf240 wrote: »
    Its an indication of acidosis. You will most lickely see increased lameness as a result.

    Bft lower than protien is not good.
    What other syptoms had the 2 cows. Are they scuttered.

    2nd cow (survived) couldn't be brought out of the paddock, was walking around uncontrollable through wires. Then would loose coordination of front legs and go down. Looking at her you would think brain damage. Has since come around and is back with the herd but has maybe injured a front leg with all the antics. I didn't see the first one but was supposedly similar.


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