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Marriage redefinition and Childrens rights

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  • #482
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    floggg wrote: »
    I do agree with that to a certain extent, and I don't think she can distance herself from the policies entirely. But she's not somebody who is actively involved in her parish and wouldn't be a religious mass attendee (so to speak).

    I guess you have to be reasonable in your expectation in what ordinary people can do. I would think a yes vote will be a big messae, but perhaps we should expect more stuff like walk outs from mass if there is objectionable sermons or letter writing campaigns etc.

    But at the end of the day, if they aren't personally attacked there is only so much people are realistically going to do.

    My mother is a 'devout' Catholic. She attends mass every Sunday, wants my son to attend, does lent, monthly confessions, fish on Friday(you don't have to do that no more ma!) - all that stuff.

    But she will be voting in favour of gay marriage. She was incredulous that I even inquired! I don't think that she's an anomaly there either. A lot of those voting against will have ulterior, not just religious, motives.


  • #483
    kevin12345
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭kevin12345


    Took a look at the Iona Institute's Facebook page. Some of the people commenting there have such anger and hatred towards people it's unbelievable. Posting ridiculous questions like "Does Simon Coveney believe every children deserves a loving Mum & Dad", and getting responses like this:

    "Enda Kenny , Coveney are trying to push an agenda to give perverts a free entry into schoolsLike .little Hitlers in their corruption of youth . The HITLER YOUTH . Their morality Lays bankrupt in the gutter."

    This is acceptable from the No side, but when we call these people out on their homophobia and bigotry we are the bullies? Makes perfect sense...

    Makes me so angry the misinformation being posted by these people.


  • #484
    IrishSkyBoxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭IrishSkyBoxer


    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.


  • #485
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.

    It's a huge deal to some. Mad as this may sound, some people want to be treated as equal citizens.


  • #486
    Bridge93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.

    Quite obviously people care. Are you trying to sound cool or are you that naïve?


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  • #487
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Quite obviously people care. Are you trying to sound cool or are you that naïve?

    Ha! Bitta both perhaps.


  • #488
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.


    Half an hour queue to register for voting at college so a few care anyway


  • #489
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.

    I care.


  • #490
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,226 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.

    +1

    What's boring the tits off me is when people asked me how I will vote, I say no, and then they start getting offended.

    Its like discussing travellers, you just can't open your mouth.


  • #491
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,593 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    kevin12345 wrote: »
    Took a look at the Iona Institute's Facebook page. Some of the people commenting there have such anger and hatred towards people it's unbelievable. Posting ridiculous questions like "Does Simon Coveney believe every children deserves a loving Mum & Dad", and getting responses like this:

    "Enda Kenny , Coveney are trying to push an agenda to give perverts a free entry into schoolsLike .little Hitlers in their corruption of youth . The HITLER YOUTH . Their morality Lays bankrupt in the gutter."

    This is acceptable from the No side, but when we call these people out on their homophobia and bigotry we are the bullies? Makes perfect sense...

    Makes me so angry the misinformation being posted by these people.
    "I was considering voting No, but the nasty comments from the No side towards those on the Yes side have changed my mind so I'll be voting Yes"
    Said no one ever.


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  • #492
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Half an hour queue to register for voting at college so a few care anyway

    Clearly quite a few people care.


  • #493
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    MathDebater wrote: »
    It's a huge deal to some. Mad as this may sound, some people want to be treated as equal citizens.

    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Quite obviously people care. Are you trying to sound cool or are you that naïve?


    In fairness, while the answer to the question is quite obviously that people do care, it's a fair reflection of attitudes generally towards marriage equality and that is that generally speaking - people don't care enough. They have other things going on in their lives and they're more directly and immediately concerned with those issues than they are about marriage equality.

    I'm almost glad in a way that I'm not on social media like Facebook and Twitter, etc because I don't get to see the kind of anger, hatred and bitterness posted above (the content I mean, not the actual post by that poster here).

    That poster is right, it's understandably frustrating and hurtful to have to read that, and the reality is that it's only likely to get worse (I wouldn't be surprised if claims of death threats are made, or death threats are actually made), because that's the way social media is going now - extremism, and people trying to outdo each other for comments that will either provoke the most outrage, or get the most likes and retweets or whatever.

    Offline though, people are far more moderate in expressing their opinions, especially in a one to one chat, because they don't have an audience and they're not playing to the crowd. That's why I wouldn't take any of the extremist crap posted on social media seriously, and I wouldn't respond in kind, because that's exactly what they want - to provoke a reaction, to provoke anger in people, they don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves, and responding to them at all is just the acknowledgement and entertainment they wanted.

    It's not easy ignore it, but sharing it around on social media is about the worst thing anyone can do besides responding to them. They're simply not worth anyone's time, energy or acknowledgement.


  • #494
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,106 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Can you vote on this from abroad?


  • #495
    MathDebater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Can you vote on this from abroad?

    No. Thankfully.


  • #496
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Can you vote on this from abroad?

    If you're abroad for work, you may be able to get a postal vote (although the deadline for registering is the end of next week - info here)

    If you're on holiday or live abroad, then no.


  • #497
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,106 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    MathDebater wrote: »
    No. Thankfully.

    Dam shame, I wanted my Yes vote to help.

    Hopefully its not needed, but still. This is the first vote since I've been away for that I would really like to vote in. I hope the people of my country do the right thing.


  • #498
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    My grandmother, who has never voted in her life, has registered for this referendum. This 90 year old devout catholic who loves children plans to vote yes.


    Seriously, what's your excuse?


  • #499
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    "It will cause a mother/father-free family template" - clearly. It can only mean couples comprising men and women, the vast majority of couples, will just fizzle out.
    IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »
    Does anyone really care about this referendum?
    Myself and friends and colleagues don't seem to be too bothered. I can't say I'll be too pushed if I don't make it to vote.
    But shur you know full well a huge amount of people do care about it - you're bound to have seen all the coverage, e.g. this thread.


  • #500
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    "It will cause a mother/father-free family template" - clearly. It can only mean couples comprising men and women, the vast majority of couples, will just fizzle out.

    But shur you know full well a huge amount of people do care about it - you're bound to have seen all the coverage, e.g. this thread.


    Unfortunately (and it really is unfortunate), it's threads like these that gave the impression that the result of the referendum was a foregone conclusion with a landslide victory for marriage equality. Threads like these are exactly why people were complacent about the result, and it's only now people are beginning to realise that they may actually have to make a real effort.

    Social media campaigns are all well meaning and trendy and people love to climb on the latest social media bandwagon, but it's going to take a lot more effort offline if this is referendum is actually to have any hope of being passed. People are actually going to have to talk to people, strangers, people that may abuse them to their faces, it happens, but people are going to need to come out of their comfort zones if they hope to have any chance of engaging with real people and not just their friends and family and people online.

    I'm still perplexed by the amount of people here that expected anyone against marriage equality to come on here and "debate" with them. The onus isn't on those against marriage equality to do anything, they're not the people who want a change in the law. They're quite happy to troll the living daylights out of people on here and on social media, and on a site here with 600,000 members, all I'm seeing time and time again in these threads are the usual handful of posters saying that those against marriage equality have no argument - that's because they don't need one.


  • #501
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,947 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Youth Defence website hacked and equality picture posted on it. :D

    http://www.thejournal.ie/youth-defence-vote-yes-message-website-2050536-Apr2015/


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  • #502
    BeatNikDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭BeatNikDub


    indy_man wrote: »
    He is well informed, well balanced

    That's the funniest thing I have heard. You are talking about David Quinn? Seriously, that is just too funny.

    Well done, well done.


  • #503
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,947 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BeatNikDub wrote: »
    That's the funniest thing I have heard. You are talking about David Quinn? Seriously, that is just too funny.

    Well done, well done.

    presumably what he means by well balanced is that he has a chip on both shoulders.


  • #504
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Neyite wrote: »
    Youth Defence website hacked and equality picture posted on it. :D

    http://www.thejournal.ie/youth-defence-vote-yes-message-website-2050536-Apr2015/

    Well the entire yes campaign has been based thus far on negativity and nasty attempts to ridicule people so it looks like they have now progressed to illegality.


  • #505
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    fran17 wrote: »
    Well the entire yes campaign has been based thus far on negativity and nasty attempts to ridicule people so it looks like they have now progressed to illegality.

    As opposed to the positivity of the No campaign telling gay people that they are undeserving of having the same rights as straight people…


  • #506
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    fran17 wrote: »
    Well the entire yes campaign has been based thus far on negativity and nasty attempts to ridicule people so it looks like they have now progressed to illegality.

    As opposed to the No campaign's fair and unbiased campaign based on negativity and painting all people of a sexual orientation as unnatural and unfit parents?


  • #507
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fran17 wrote: »
    Well the entire yes campaign has been based thus far on negativity and nasty attempts to ridicule people so it looks like they have now progressed to illegality.


    .......think you got that one backwards there.


  • #508
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    As opposed to the positivity of the No campaign telling gay people that they are undeserving of having the same rights as straight people…

    I guess its ok to break the law then.The end justifies the means.


  • #509
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Nodin wrote: »
    .......think you got that one backwards there.

    Your correct.The entire no campaign has been based on positivity.


  • #510
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fran17 wrote: »
    Your correct.The entire no campaign has been based on positivity.


    It has not Fran. Don't turn this into another episode of you stating the obviously false and being rightly lashed into for it.


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  • #511
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    fran17 wrote: »
    I guess its ok to break the law then.The end justifies the means.

    I don't agree with what was done as it gives ammo for the likes of yourself but to suggest that the Yes campaign has been purely about negativity when the cornerstone of the No campaign is to ensure that one section of society is treated less equal than the rest of us is daft.


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