Marriage redefinition and Childrens rights

indy_man

If you get to watch all this are you still 100% sure redefining marriage in our constitution is the correct thing to do? It would be best if you watched it before slamming it, if you don't watch it at all probably best not comment.

efb

Well if Iona Chief David Quinn says it it must be true

indy_man

He is well qualified to be allowed to provide a counter argument. Anyone who defends and upholds the rights of Children should not be silenced.

mailforkev

Is that David Quinn? If so, no thanks.

Guy:Incognito

indy_man wrote: »

Anyone who defends and upholds the rights of Children should not be silenced.

Well, if anyone is qualified for that its hardline Catholics.

efb

indy_man wrote: »

He is well qualified to be allowed to provide a counter argument. Anyone who defends and upholds the rights of Children should not be silenced.

Well qualified how?

Defending the church and their litany of child abuse for years...

darkpagandeath

efb wrote: »

Well if Iona Chief David Quinn says it it must be true

Plenty of legal eagles have been going on about Family law becoming a nightmare If they change the family.

And no I don't Support Iona

This isn't about children it's about people in love getting married

efb

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Plenty of legal eagles have been going on about Family law becoming a nightmare If they change the family.

And no I don't Support Iona

Family law is always complex

That law has been amended.

But Iona can't wait to mix the two

efb

Martin Turner

indy_man

He is well informed, well balanced and feels balance is needed also in a child's life. You shoot this down straight away without giving it a chance yet you probably subscribe to every other counter argument no matter how skewed towards so called current day political correct thinking. Traditional family is a fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, give this a chance!

darkpagandeath

bluewolf wrote: »

This isn't about children it's about people in love getting married

True, But one is a Religious ceremony. Them Religious types get a bit touchy about it be classified the same.

shruikan2553

People dont need to be married to have children, people who are married dont have to have children either.

SEPT 23 1989

It's Friday night

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

True, But one is a Religious ceremony. Them Religious types get a bit touchy about it be classified the same.

Can be a religious ceremony
Doesn't have to be

efb

indy_man wrote: »

He is well informed, well balanced and feels balance is needed also in a child's life. You shoot this down straight away without giving it a chance yet you probably subscribe to every other counter argument no matter how skewed towards so called current day political correctness thinking. Traditional family is a fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, give this a chance!

Families come in all shapes and sizes. He is not well balanced or well informed. Bases his research on unrelated papers.

My life is more than Political Correctness. I'm equal too.

4zn76tysfajdxp

I'm also opposed to people marrying children.

theboy1

Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt IMO.

They should be afforded the right to marry absolutely, but It would be unfair on the child to have to cope with the stigma.

20Cent

35 minutes of David Quinn!
ain't nobody got time for that!

Ave Sodalis

indy_man wrote: »

He is well informed, well balanced and feels balance is needed also in a child's life. You shoot this down straight away without giving it a chance yet you probably subscribe to every other counter argument no matter how skewed towards so called current day political correct thinking. Traditional family is a fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, give this a chance!

He's not that well informed... In fact, he's not well informed at all if that's the argument he has...

eviltwin

When will people stop giving Quinn oxygen, everything he says is bullish!t

Triangla

indy_man wrote: »

Traditional family is a fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, give this a chance!

That is correct, we are now going to add another cornerstone in the form of same sex marriage. This along with the many other cornerstones of Irish life that have developed and evolved through the ages will further enrich our lovely little country.

efb

theboy1 wrote: »

Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt IMO.

They should be afforded the right to marry absolutely, but It would be unfair on the child to have to cope with the stigma.

Well that law has been enacted and they can go forward for consideration for adoption like other couples. They don't get to skip the queue.

darkpagandeath

bluewolf wrote: »

Can be a religious ceremony
Doesn't have to be

Traditionally In Ireland it has been Only a Religious ceremony.

galljga1

indy_man wrote: »

He is well informed, well balanced and feels balance is needed also in a child's life. You shoot this down straight away without giving it a chance yet you probably subscribe to every other counter argument no matter how skewed towards so called current day political correct thinking. Traditional family is a fundamental cornerstone of our civilization, give this a chance!

Please qualify what you mean by 'traditional family'.

SEPT 23 1989

eviltwin wrote: »

everything he says is bullish!t

yes but he should be allowed to be heard even though he is a far right catholic headbanger

efb

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

yes but he should be allowed to be heard even though he is a far right catholic headbanger

He seems to be everywhere- and Iona aren't officially campaigning...

(They'd need to declare their donors if they were...)

darkpagandeath

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Traditionally In Ireland it has been Only a Religious ceremony.

Except for all those couples out there having non religious ones
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/almost-one-in-three-marriages-in-state-non-religious-1.1866981

Re: gay parents, there was an AMA on boards recently from someone with gay parents

kylith

Can anyone summarise this for someone who doesn't fancy sitting through half and hour of this idiot? I get the feeling it's along the lines of "Gays are icky, blah, blah, against god, blah, blah, *Helen Lovejoy impression*".

Guy:Incognito

darkpagandeath wrote: »

True, But one is a Religious ceremony. Them Religious types get a bit touchy about it be classified the same.

It isnt. The religiony one is off the table. What with the gays being evil heathens and all. It's legal marriage (you know , the actual real one that has to happen after to showy, out front one) that it concerns,

kylith

kylith wrote: »

Can anyone summarise this for someone who doesn't fancy sitting through half and hour of this idiot? I get the feeling it's along the lines of "Gays are icky, blah, blah, against god, blah, blah, *Helen Lovejoy impression*".

Don't forget we'll all start bullying children if their parents are gay except for the ones who didn't get bullied at all but never mind that

Also gay people can already adopt as single parents but don't tell them

Scruffy...The Janitor

If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

20Cent

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

yes but he should be allowed to be heard even though he is a far right catholic headbanger

He has plenty of media coverage. Iona must be one of the best connected organisations in the country media access wise. Sick of hearing him whinge about the no voice not being heard in his newspaper column on the radio and on tv.

efb

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

Over Iona...

Guy:Incognito

kylith wrote: »

Can anyone summarise this for someone who doesn't fancy sitting through half and hour of this idiot? I get the feeling it's along the lines of "Gays are icky, blah, blah, against god, blah, blah, *Helen Lovejoy impression*".

Picture earthquakes and devils burning and stabbing everyone followed by force gay conversion. Thats what you'll wake up to one May 23rd if it passes.

shruikan2553

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.

darkpagandeath

bluewolf wrote: »

Except for all those couples out there having non religious ones
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/almost-one-in-three-marriages-in-state-non-religious-1.1866981

Re: gay parents, there was an AMA on boards recently from someone with gay parents

I Said Traditionally.

Guy:Incognito

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

Are they the ones that took kids from their mothers and sold them while using the mothers as slave labour? The ones whos employees raped and abused kids in relatively high numbers for decades?

I know one side of the debate has a history of that, just cant remember which...........

Scruffy...The Janitor

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.

They care about the actual welfare of children a lot more than iona or quinn anyway.

efb

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.

So Iona, who defended the church against abuse claims are to more trusted than the ISPCC???

smash

Iona are scum of the earth!

shruikan2553

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

They care about the actual welfare of children a lot more than iona or quinn anyway.

efb wrote: »

So Iona, who defended the church against abuse claims are to more trusted than the ISPCC???

I meant the people who claim its about the children, not the ISPCC. Iona only care about forcing catholic beliefs on everyone.

ash23

I watched the first three minutes and learned something very important. Those of us voting yes need to make sure to actually go and vote and not presume the yes vote will win because everyone else is going to go and vote. That's the only way I can see this being won by the no side.

kylith

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I Said Traditionally.

Traditionally women had to give up their careers after they got married.

Traditionally children used to kill wrens and then parade the body around as they danced for money.

According to biblical tradition marriage can be between a man and the woman he's bought from her father after he raped her.

Tradition isn't always a good thing.

darkpagandeath

kylith wrote: »

Traditionally women had to give up their careers after they got married.

Traditionally children used to kill wrens and then parade the body around as they danced for money.

According to biblical tradition marriage can be between a man and the woman he's bought from her father after he raped her.

Tradition isn't always a good thing.

I did not say it was

kylith

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I did not say it was

So why shouldn't we change 'traditional' marriage if we want to? Tradition is no reason to keep doing things.

eviltwin

Iona only care about children before they are born or in very abstract terms. You never hear them discussing issues that are relevant to children such as bullying, poverty etc.

efb

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I did not say it was

So what's your point?

darkpagandeath

kylith wrote: »

So why shouldn't we change 'traditional' marriage if we want to? Tradition is no reason to keep doing things.

efb wrote: »

So what's your point?

I said Religious people get touchy about Marriage Being a Religious ceremony and addressed comments on it. Thread is only 4 pages .....

kunst nugget

theboy1 wrote: »

Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt IMO.

They should be afforded the right to marry absolutely, but It would be unfair on the child to have to cope with the stigma.

My brother's wife's a ginger. Should I tell them not to have kids so that their children don't have to cope with the stigma.

darkpagandeath

kunst nugget wrote: »

My brother's wife's a ginger. Should I tell them not to have kids so that their children don't have to cope with the stigma.

Would not worry, Ginger can skip and even be present in children of parents with no history. :pac: