Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 12:55AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Far superior to your own aggressively smug but ultimately empty contributions at least.

See, for a statement like that to have any impact, it would have to come from someone who commands respect.

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 12:59AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

See, for a statement like that to have any impact, it would have to come from someone who commands respect.

Another personal barb.

I suppose it's easier than composing a coherent argument or having an original thought.

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 01:05AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

How are they empty? Seems like you're just saying that purely because they're in disagreement with you.

All I've seen from the particular poster are personalised attacks and snarky, petty insults.

The level of emptiness of some of the posts that are in agreement with you is a sight to behold.

Probably.

I'm not responsible for other people's posts.

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 01:06AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Another personal barb.

I suppose it's easier than composing a coherent argument or having an original thought.

I'm happy enough with the points I've made in this thread. If you're not... eh, whatchagonnado?

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 01:07AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I'm happy enough with the points I've made in this thread. If you're not... eh, whatchagonnado?

Are you really?

You're easily satisfied.

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 01:14AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Are you really?

Yup.

I really wouldn't be trying to cast yourself as some sort of arbiter of quality here, you came on to the thread about a week after the news of Clarkson's contract not being renewed, raging about things that people had long since finished discussing, and generally making yourself look like an eejit. So really, just don't even go there.

Or do, if you want, but you'll look silly. Up to you.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-04-2015 10:12AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Ah here. :pac::D

The abuse of a subordinate is not a very admirable quality, and if you saw somebody abusing someone like that right in front of you, I'm guessing you wouldn't think much of them. It's bully boy behaviour.

I love the ham-fisted attempt to insult the intelligence of anyone who is seriously put off Clarkson because of this very unsavoury event.

Up there with someone earlier in the thread claiming one needed to be on a higher plane of intelligence to enjoy the programmes the decidedly middlebrow James May presents. :D:D

Come on, Dr., you're better than this.

That's the thing though, we don't know what Clarkson is like to work for. Does he behave like this on a daily basis or was this an isolated incident? I'm leaning towards the latter.
All of us have behaved in a way we're not proud off at one time or another, especially with drink involved. I'm not expecting Clarkson to be a saint. I have worked for some serious cnuts in my time and compared to them I'd work for Clarkson any day.

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 10:17AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's the thing though, we don't know what Clarkson is like to work for. Does he behave like this on a daily basis or was this an isolated incident? I'm leaning towards the latter.

This is not the kind of behaviour in which anyone would engage, it's very, very telling of someone's character, IMO.

I hate the "Oh anyone would behave like that drunk!" excuse. Actually, no. A great many people manage to not behave violently when drunk and will continue to do so. I recall people defending Cheryl Cole the same way after she was found guilty of assault.

And as for questioning the intelligence of people who point this out?

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 11:14AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

it's very, very telling of someone's character, IMO

Just more nonsense.

How would you like to be judged solely on your worst moments (for example the bullying you've got up to and petty insults you've dribbled out on this thread)?

If Clarkson had been getting in scrapes with colleages like the one that has you so excited on a constant basis he woudn't have forged a wildly successful career spanning decades.

With the media spotlight almost always on the man do you really think it likely any altercation over the years, even one so minor as this one, could be buried? With sections of the media just praying for him to slip up?

It's clearly an isolated, exaggerrated incident seized on those who irrationally hate him and his brand of entertainment to demonise him

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 11:18AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Just more nonsense.

How would you like to be judged solely on your worst moments (for example the bullying you've got up to and petty insults you've dribbled out on this thread)?

You probably should report those posts.

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 11:23AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

You probably should report those posts.

You shouldn't assume I care enough.

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 11:29AM

DeadHand wrote: »

You shouldn't assume I care enough.

Then don't bitch about them.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-04-2015 11:33AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

This is not the kind of behaviour in which anyone would engage, it's very, very telling of someone's character, IMO.

I hate the "Oh anyone would behave like that drunk!" excuse. Actually, no. A great many people manage to not behave violently when drunk and will continue to do so. I recall people defending Cheryl Cole the same way after she was found guilty of assault.

And as for questioning the intelligence of people who point this out?

I wouldn't say everyone would, no. But in the end we are all human.
I am not prepared to write off a person completely because of one incident.
And I do like the fact that Clarkson is an opinionated oaf who deliberately goes out of his way to insult people. And that is a different kettle of fish, it was a script, it was part of the show.
The Oisin Tymon incident has been a very useful stick to beat him with for people who just plain don't like him.
Couldn't tell you about Cheryl Whatsherface, I don't pay sufficient attention to her.

DeadHand · 13-04-2015 11:37AM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Then don't bitch about them.

I wasn't "bitching" (more aggression!) it fit nicely with my point.

Ironic that you get in such a state over the alledged aggression and bullying of a man none of us knows but are happy to engage in both here.

Tarzana2 · 13-04-2015 11:44AM

DeadHand wrote: »

I wasn't "bitching" (more aggression!) it fit nicely with my point.

Ironic that you get in such a state over the alledged aggression and bullying of a man none of us knows but are happy to engage in both here.

I know, right?

Nothing alleged about Clarkson's behaviour though.

dr.fuzzenstein · 13-04-2015 11:47AM

DeadHand wrote: »

I wasn't "bitching" (more aggression!) it fit nicely with my point.

Ironic that you get in such a state over the alledged aggression and bullying of a man none of us knows but are happy to engage in both here.

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I know, right?

Nothing alleged about Clarkson's behaviour though.

Oh get a room you two! :pac:

Boom_Bap · 13-04-2015 12:03PM

MOD - Please keep this discussion on topic or cards will be issued and thread will be closed.

tipptom · 13-04-2015 12:10PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Just more nonsense.

How would you like to be judged solely on your worst moments (for example the bullying you've got up to and petty insults you've dribbled out on this thread)?

If Clarkson had been getting in scrapes with colleages like the one that has you so excited on a constant basis he woudn't have forged a wildly successful career spanning decades.

With the media spotlight almost always on the man do you really think it likely any altercation over the years, even one so minor as this one, could be buried? With sections of the media just praying for him to slip up?

It's clearly an isolated, exaggerrated incident seized on those who irrationally hate him and his brand of entertainment to demonise him

Tell me,how was this incident exaggerated and what part of the BBC investigation and report of this incident seemed to be exaggerated for you?

CiDeRmAn · 13-04-2015 05:30PM

Should be interesting to see Glenister sliding sideways in something rear wheel drive, going "Phwoar!", should be good.
And Glenister only played a guy who beat up on people who worked for him, rather than in real life.

Bench Press · 13-04-2015 05:56PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's the thing though, we don't know what Clarkson is like to work for. Does he behave like this on a daily basis or was this an isolated incident? I'm leaning towards the latter.
All of us have behaved in a way we're not proud off at one time or another, especially with drink involved. I'm not expecting Clarkson to be a saint. I have worked for some serious cnuts in my time and compared to them I'd work for Clarkson any day.

it was a bit of banter after a few pints, you would see way worse in any chipper in Ireland on a weekend night, the pc brigade have jumped on it and took the opportunity to blow it out of all proportion, Jezza is a top bloke, I would love to work with him

CiDeRmAn · 13-04-2015 06:02PM

Bench Press wrote: »

it was a bit of banter after a few pints, you would see way worse in any chipper in Ireland on a weekend night, the pc brigade have jumped on it and took the opportunity to blow it out of all proportion, Jezza is a top bloke, I would love to work with him

Wow, it's like some sort of Hot Tub Time machine, and here we are, like three weeks ago....

Doubt there's many chippers where the guy serving the customers would give a punch in the mouth to the person frying the chips, don't think I've ever seen that.
Unless you mean the customers in the chipper having a go at each other, which is the equivalent of two people in the Top Gear audience having a similar fracas, which is also completely different from a well paid employee abusing and thumping a less well paid employee, which is what we are talking about.

You should contact Jezza via Twitter, let him know how eager you are to go and work for him.
Just be prepared to cook him a steak dinner at all hours of an evening, like have a griddle pan in the backpack, maybe a little camping gas stove, and a gum shield if it all goes sideways.

Bench Press · 13-04-2015 06:05PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Wow, it's like some sort of Hot Tub Time machine, and here we are, like three weeks ago....

Doubt there's many chippers where the guy serving the customers would give a punch in the mouth to the person frying the chips, don't think I've ever seen that.
Unless you mean the customers in the chipper having a go at each other, which is the equivalent of two people in the Top Gear audience having a similar fracas, which is also completely different from a well paid employee abusing and thumping a less well paid employee, which is what we are talking about.

You should contact Jezza via Twitter, let him know how eager you are to go and work for him.
Just be prepared to cook him a steak dinner at all.hours of an evening, like have a griddle pan in the backpack, maybe a little camping gas stove, and a gum shield if it all goes sideways.

oh I suppose tynan was just standing there, like an innocent little angel, standing there with his head bowed, being berated by his superior, like **** he was, I hope Jezza got a good shot into him

CiDeRmAn · 13-04-2015 06:21PM

Bench Press wrote: »

oh I suppose tynan was just standing there, like an innocent little angel, standing there with his head bowed, being berated by his superior, like **** he was, I hope Jezza got a good shot into him

I think he stood there and took it, which is what witness reports suggest, as well as Jeremy when he stated that Tymon wasn't at fault at all.

You seem to have great difficulty in accepting the actual events, and persist in generating some reality that pleases you instead.

Well, good luck with that.

You can get pills for that sort of thing you know.

But don't worry, you don't have to swallow them, they go somewhere else.

Bench Press · 13-04-2015 06:28PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think he stood there and took it, which is what witness reports suggest, as well as Jeremy when he stated that Tymon wasn't at fault at all.

You seem to have great difficulty in accepting the actual events, and persist in generating some reality that pleases you instead.

Well, good luck with that.

You can get pills for that sort of thing you know.

But don't worry, you don't have to swallow them, they go somewhere else.

he went off to Hospital with a split lip the attention seeking little git, probably saw the pound signs flashing, because of him, a lot of people have lost their jobs, and the BBC has lost one of its best shows

P. Breathnach · 13-04-2015 06:31PM

Bench Press wrote: »

he went off to Hospital with a split lip the attention seeking little git, probably saw the pound signs flashing, because of him, a lot of people have lost their jobs, and the BBC has lost one of its best shows

That's an obnoxious post, even if it is intended only to take a rise out of people.

ScumLord · 13-04-2015 06:34PM

Bench Press wrote: »

he went off to Hospital with a split lip the attention seeking little git, probably saw the pound signs flashing, because of him, a lot of people have lost their jobs, and the BBC has lost one of its best shows

The BBC would probably insist that he go to the hospital, they have very stringent health and safety. Also the fact he hasn't sued anyone shows that you're just making up things to get upset about.

Bench Press · 13-04-2015 06:38PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The BBC would probably insist that he go to the hospital, they have very stringent health and safety. Also the fact he hasn't sued anyone shows that you're just making up things to get upset about.

and what about the scandalous things about Jezza said on this thread, comparisons to Jimmy Saville were being made at one stage by idiots defending this tynan guy

Brendan Bendar · 13-04-2015 06:41PM

Bench Press wrote: »

he went off to Hospital with a split lip the attention seeking little git, probably saw the pound signs flashing, because of him, a lot of people have lost their jobs, and the BBC has lost one of its best shows

' Because of him',what kind of rubbish is that.

Who has lost jobs as a result of this apart from Clarkson?

And if anybody has, it's not the producers fault, it's down to Clarkson.

You totally lose credibility with rubbish like that, totally.

My name is URL · 13-04-2015 06:43PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You totally lose credibility with rubbish like that, totally.

lol... like he had any to begin with :pac:

The guy's either on a windup or actually believes what he's saying, in which case he's an abhorrent scuzzball

Total waste of time engaging with him either way.

A 'bit of banter' he says it was... the guy probably uses the same line after knocking lumps out of people on a night out.

ScumLord · 13-04-2015 06:45PM

Bench Press wrote: »

and what about the scandalous things about Jezza said on this thread, comparisons to Jimmy Saville were being made at one stage by idiots defending this tynan guy

I've been defending Clarkson throughout this thread but as much as I like him it doesn't take away from the fact he did something stupid and sackable. If top gear doesn't come back it's entirely Clarksons fault.

I've supported keeping Clarkson on the show as I think he's critical to the show and that the producers would need to take into account that firing him would probably be the end of Top gear. I don't support what he did and I've never defended that action.

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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