Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Brendan Bendar · 11-04-2015 06:52AM

Kirby wrote: »

Which would matter, if he was an elected official or somebody in charge of something important. But he's not. He's an entertainer thus many people, myself included, don't care what he's like personally.

Him hitting a producer or not hitting a producer wouldn't stop me from liking his show in the same way that Michael Jackson being accused of all sorts didn't stop me from enjoying his music. Issues like that just aren't relevant.

Very strange post there.

Of course issues like that are relevant to the vast majority of viewers and customers.

There is such a thing as morality, it's a bit ike suggesting that people would enjoy Jimmy Saville programmes if they knew what he was up to?

Very extreme example , I know, but the personal behaviour af any artist or performer is of course relevant.

Let's not lose the run of ourselves here.

Bench Press · 11-04-2015 07:48AM

Jesus Christ! comparing Jezza to Jimmy Saville now! that is outrageous! he certainly has a lot of idiots rattled

Grandpa Hassan · 11-04-2015 09:19AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Very strange post there.

Of course issues like that are relevant to the vast majority of viewers and customers.

I don't think that getting in a scuffle with a producer is relevant to the vast majority of viewers at all. Let's see what the viewing numbers are like when he appears with a new show....I bet they are very high

osarusan · 11-04-2015 09:43AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Of course issues like that are relevant to the vast majority of viewers and customers.

Very extreme example , I know, but the personal behaviour af any artist or performer is of course relevant
.

I'm not too sure about that. I would say there are plenty of people who are fans of Clarkson and the show, who don't really care too much what he gets up to off television, but just want him to be able to present the show.

these people will be happy to downplay anything negative about him, in order to allow him to continue presenting the shore.

We we see the same thing with sports stars and actors and so on, because they are popular, and more importantly, because they are worth a lot of money, they get away with a lot of stuff at times.

Thankfully, The BBC took a more objective approach than this.

P. Breathnach · 11-04-2015 09:43AM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I don't think that getting in a scuffle with a producer is relevant to the vast majority of viewers at all.

Well, not to the kind of viewer who misrepresents what he did. A "scuffle" implies some participation by everybody involved. It was one person verbally and physically attacking another.

Let's see what the viewing numbers are like when he appears with a new show....I bet they are very high

Perhaps initially, fuelled by curiosity. But I think the Clarkson brand was coming to its sell-by date before this happened. There are only so many times you can do pretty much the same thing before people lose interest. I'm surprised that he got away with it as long as he did.

fryup · 11-04-2015 09:49AM

say what you like about him, but there's no way getting away from the fact that his hair is legendary...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4icevQFZ8

dr.fuzzenstein · 11-04-2015 09:59AM

Forget the hair, if he had said today what he said then he would certainly be burned at the stake these days.
Punching your staff and being a kiddie fiddler is one thing. But denying global warming? Now that's a capital crime!

Mint Aero · 11-04-2015 12:49PM

Global warming & cooling is a natural cycle that we humans have no influence over.

Just a little Samba · 11-04-2015 12:52PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Global warming & cooling is a natural cycle that we humans have no influence over.

... vaccines cause autism, the holocaust didn't happen, the world is controlled by the Rothschild family and their reptilian brethren, NASA never went to the moon and I shoot JR.

Mint Aero · 11-04-2015 12:59PM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

... vaccines cause autism, the holocaust didn't happen, the world is controlled by the Rothschild family and their reptilian brethren, NASA never went to the moon and I shoot JR.

Only one of those might be true....why did you shoot JR? WHY!?

DeadHand · 11-04-2015 01:00PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

There is such a thing as morality, it's a bit ike suggesting that people would enjoy Jimmy Saville programmes if they knew what he was up to?

Let's not lose the run of ourselves here.

You compare Clarkson to Jimmy Saville and then tell everyone else not to lose the run of themselves?

P. Breathnach · 11-04-2015 01:34PM

DeadHand wrote: »

You compare Clarkson to Jimmy Saville and then tell everyone else not to lose the run of themselves?

You have just lost the run of yourself.

Brendan Bendar · 11-04-2015 02:13PM

DeadHand wrote: »

You compare Clarkson to Jimmy Saville and then tell everyone else not to lose the run of themselves?

I did not compare Clarkson to Jimmy Saville, I was responding to a post which implied that the poster considered the behaviour of media presenters was not relevant.

I put forward the point that is was relevant.

However you will always get the 'die hards' who chose to ignore all this as long as their man or woman delivers their brand of 'entertainment'.

After all, Idi Amin had his followers, Charles Manson had his acolytes, who chose to ignore their morality as 'not relevant'

Interesting humN behaviour study, Ph.D there for somebody :rolleyes:

Grandpa Hassan · 11-04-2015 02:21PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I did not compare Clarkson to Jimmy Saville, I was responding to a post which implied that the poster considered the behaviour of media presenters was not relevant.

I put forward the point that is was relevant.

However you will always get the 'die hards' who chose to ignore all this as long as their man or woman delivers their brand of 'entertainment'.

After all, Idi Amin had his followers, Charles Manson had his acolytes, who chose to ignore their morality as 'not relevant'

Interesting humN behaviour study, Ph.D there for somebody :rolleyes:

Some more great comparisons. Well done

Brendan Bendar · 11-04-2015 02:23PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Some more great comparisons. Well done

Examples of human behaviour Grandpa, not comparisons.

Grandpa Hassan · 11-04-2015 02:39PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Examples of human behaviour Grandpa, not comparisons.

Oh I see. Thanks for clarifying

You're comparing those that don't really care what clarkson did to those that don't really care what idi Amin did. That makes much more sense

DeadHand · 11-04-2015 02:49PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

After all, Idi Amin had his followers, Charles Manson had his acolytes, who chose to ignore their morality as 'not relevant'

So, fresh from comparing Clarkson to Jimmy Savile, you now compare him to Idi Amin and Charles Manson and his supporters to the supporters of those individuals.

The unthinking bad will toward this harmless fool is staggering. The childish hysteria around this subject is nauseating.

Brendan Bendar · 11-04-2015 03:10PM

DeadHand wrote: »

So, fresh from comparing Clarkson to Jimmy Savile, you now compare him to Idi Amin and Charles Manson and his supporters to the supporters of those individuals.

The unthinking bad will toward this harmless fool is staggering. The childish hysteria around this subject is nauseating.

What's much more nauseating is the attempt by his fans to disregard his behaviour to a work colleague.

There is no getting away from this event, no amount of spin from the Clarkson fans can change that, even though they seem to think they can.

Clarksons gone, and rightly so, not as if it's a first 'incident' or even a second.

Time to settle down and think logically, shot his bolt,past his sell-by, finito.

Only way it could pan out.

DeadHand · 11-04-2015 03:25PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What's much more nauseating is the attempt by his fans to disregard his behaviour to a work colleague.

There is no getting away from this event, no amount of spin from the Clarkson fans can change that, even though they seem to think they can.

Clarksons gone, and rightly so, not as if it's a first 'incident' or even a second.

Time to settle down and think logically, shot his bolt,past his sell-by, finito.

Only way it could pan out.

Whatever about all that you have, in your hysterical hatred, lost all sense of scale and perspective when you insist on introducing men like Idi Amin, Charles Manson and Jimmy Savile into an argument about a man whose greatest "crimes" to date have been a few inadvisable remarks and a minor altercation.

Kirby · 11-04-2015 03:32PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What's much more nauseating is the attempt by his fans to disregard his behaviour to a work colleague.

There is no getting away from this event, no amount of spin from the Clarkson fans can change that, even though they seem to think they can.

Clarkson fans? He doesn't have fans. He's not U2 or One direction.

I know it makes you feel better to lump everyone who disagrees with you into neat little "pro Clarkson" "anti Clarkson" boxes but the world doesn't work like that.

The bottom line is, most people don't care what he did. That's the reality of the situation and I know you are finding it irritating that we all aren't outraged that he punched a producer and celebrating that he got sacked like you.....but we just don't care. People get thumped every night outside a club and I don't care about that either.

This was blown up into a bigger issue than it was. The show went off the air and that's a shame. The vendetta that people like yourself had against this middle aged man is just as ridiculous as the campaigns in support of him.

Mesrine65 · 11-04-2015 03:42PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What's much more nauseating is the attempt by his fans to disregard his behaviour to a work colleague.

There is no getting away from this event, no amount of spin from the Clarkson fans can change that, even though they seem to think they can.

Clarksons gone, and rightly so, not as if it's a first 'incident' or even a second.

Time to settle down and think logically, shot his bolt,past his sell-by, finito.

Only way it could pan out.

Did Clarkson bugger your dog or something?

Tarzana2 · 11-04-2015 03:48PM

Kirby wrote: »

Clarkson fans? He doesn't have fans.

:D:D

Eutow · 11-04-2015 03:54PM

Kirby wrote: »

Clarkson fans? He doesn't have fans. He's not U2 or One direction.

Re-read the thread, and see what the poster who thanked your post thinks about Clarkson. What about the million people that signed a petition to keep him as a Top Gear presenter?

Kirby wrote: »

The bottom line is, most people don't care what he did. That's the reality of the situation and I know you are finding it irritating that we all aren't outraged that he punched a producer and celebrating that he got sacked like you.....but we just don't care. People get thumped every night outside a club and I don't care about that either.

People should care if a presenter bullies, punches and verbally abuses co-workers, because they wouldn't like it to happen to them. Do you expect the BBC to just say, "Ah feck it, he is a popular presenter, so what if he punches co-workers". "Carry on".

Mint Aero · 11-04-2015 04:00PM

Eutow wrote: »

Re-read the thread, and see what the poster who thanked your post thinks about Clarkson.

I've made no secret of the fact that I'm Clarky boys biggest number 1 fan

I even wrote a song, if I may?

*Ahem*

We love you Clarkson we do
We love you Clarkson we do
We love you Clarkson we do
Oh Clarkson, we love you!

Everyone now!

Eutow · 11-04-2015 04:03PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

I've made no secret of the fact that I'm Clarky boys biggest number 1 fan
I even wrote a song, if I may?

*Ahem*

We love you Clarkson we do
We love you Clarkson we do
We love you Clarkson we do
Oh Clarkson, we love you!

Everyone now!

Exactly, but Kirby stated Clarkson has no fans. I like Clarkson myself and have watched Top Gear since the early 90's right up to the present day, but I still feel he had to be punished for his actions.

Grandpa Hassan · 11-04-2015 04:17PM

And he's been punished appropriately. He's not been executed, but instead is off the bbc and free to get a contract elsewhere. Which he will. And millions will watch.

He's received a wake up call. The bbc has been able to show it's done the right thing. The fans will still get to see him. No one has really lost out. Which is an appropriate end game for an issue that I don't think a huge amount of people care about

CiDeRmAn · 11-04-2015 04:22PM

One staff member hitting a subordinate, not cool, possibly assault, probably fired.
One staff member seducing and bullying underage children into sex, definitely sexual assault, rape and paedophilia.
Both not acceptable in the workplace and the similarities end there.

Like comparing scratching someones car with your door in a supermarket car park and someone else using a car to kidnap and murder someone, both crimes yes, but a slight difference in severity.

Kirby · 11-04-2015 04:24PM

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

And he's been punished appropriately. He's not been executed, but instead is off the bbc and free to get a contract elsewhere. Which he will. And millions will watch.

He's received a wake up call. The bbc has been able to show it's done the right thing. The fans will still get to see him. No one has really lost out. Which is an appropriate end game for an issue that I don't think a huge amount of people care about

Everyone losing out is not the same as nobody losing. It's not a zero sum game.

Clarkson lost his job along with Hammond and May, the BBC lost the rest of this series of top gear, the producer who got assaulted will end up producing a less popular show.....frankly every one lost.

Grandpa Hassan · 11-04-2015 04:36PM

Kirby wrote: »

Everyone losing out is not the same as nobody losing. It's not a zero sum game.

Clarkson lost his job along with Hammond and May, the BBC lost the rest of this series of top gear, the producer who got assaulted will end up producing a less popular show.....frankly every one lost.

Clarkson lost his bbc platform. I'm not sure he'll find it too hard to find another, with or without his team

CiDeRmAn · 11-04-2015 04:42PM

I don't recall May and Hammond losing their jobs, talk of them quitting alright, hitching their wagon to Clarksons fortunes, and good luck to them.
I don't think people should forget the reach the BBC has into British living rooms and, thanks to BBC America, US homes too.
Whatever driving show they come up with will have that reach and that maybe something that'll result in success once they get the right team to present it.

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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