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Marriage redefinition and Childrens rights

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  • #32
    Scruffy...The Janitor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Scruffy...The Janitor


    If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.


  • #33
    20Cent
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    yes but he should be allowed to be heard even though he is a far right catholic headbanger

    He has plenty of media coverage. Iona must be one of the best connected organisations in the country media access wise. Sick of hearing him whinge about the no voice not being heard in his newspaper column on the radio and on tv.


  • #34
    efb
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    Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »
    If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

    Over Iona...


  • #35
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    kylith wrote: »
    Can anyone summarise this for someone who doesn't fancy sitting through half and hour of this idiot? I get the feeling it's along the lines of "Gays are icky, blah, blah, against god, blah, blah, *Helen Lovejoy impression*".

    Picture earthquakes and devils burning and stabbing everyone followed by force gay conversion. Thats what you'll wake up to one May 23rd if it passes.


  • #36
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »
    If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

    You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.


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  • #37
    darkpagandeath
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    Except for all those couples out there having non religious ones
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/almost-one-in-three-marriages-in-state-non-religious-1.1866981

    Re: gay parents, there was an AMA on boards recently from someone with gay parents

    I Said Traditionally.


  • #38
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »
    If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

    Are they the ones that took kids from their mothers and sold them while using the mothers as slave labour? The ones whos employees raped and abused kids in relatively high numbers for decades?

    I know one side of the debate has a history of that, just cant remember which...........


  • #39
    Scruffy...The Janitor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Scruffy...The Janitor


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.

    They care about the actual welfare of children a lot more than iona or quinn anyway.


  • #40
    efb
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    You are making the mistake of thinking they actually care about children.

    So Iona, who defended the church against abuse claims are to more trusted than the ISPCC???


  • #41
    smash
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    Iona are scum of the earth!


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  • #42
    shruikan2553
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    Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »
    They care about the actual welfare of children a lot more than iona or quinn anyway.
    efb wrote: »
    So Iona, who defended the church against abuse claims are to more trusted than the ISPCC???



    I meant the people who claim its about the children, not the ISPCC. Iona only care about forcing catholic beliefs on everyone.


  • #43
    ash23
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    I watched the first three minutes and learned something very important. Those of us voting yes need to make sure to actually go and vote and not presume the yes vote will win because everyone else is going to go and vote. That's the only way I can see this being won by the no side.


  • #44
    kylith
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I Said Traditionally.

    Traditionally women had to give up their careers after they got married.

    Traditionally children used to kill wrens and then parade the body around as they danced for money.

    According to biblical tradition marriage can be between a man and the woman he's bought from her father after he raped her.

    Tradition isn't always a good thing.


  • #45
    darkpagandeath
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    kylith wrote: »
    Traditionally women had to give up their careers after they got married.

    Traditionally children used to kill wrens and then parade the body around as they danced for money.

    According to biblical tradition marriage can be between a man and the woman he's bought from her father after he raped her.

    Tradition isn't always a good thing.

    I did not say it was


  • #46
    kylith
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I did not say it was

    So why shouldn't we change 'traditional' marriage if we want to? Tradition is no reason to keep doing things.


  • #47
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Iona only care about children before they are born or in very abstract terms. You never hear them discussing issues that are relevant to children such as bullying, poverty etc.


  • #48
    efb
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I did not say it was

    So what's your point?


  • #49
    darkpagandeath
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    kylith wrote: »
    So why shouldn't we change 'traditional' marriage if we want to? Tradition is no reason to keep doing things.
    efb wrote: »
    So what's your point?

    I said Religious people get touchy about Marriage Being a Religious ceremony and addressed comments on it. Thread is only 4 pages .....


  • #50
    kunst nugget
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt IMO.

    They should be afforded the right to marry absolutely, but It would be unfair on the child to have to cope with the stigma.

    My brother's wife's a ginger. Should I tell them not to have kids so that their children don't have to cope with the stigma.


  • #51
    darkpagandeath
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    kunst nugget wrote: »
    My brother's wife's a ginger. Should I tell them not to have kids so that their children don't have to cope with the stigma.

    Would not worry, Ginger can skip and even be present in children of parents with no history. :pac:


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  • #52
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    My brother's wife's a ginger. Should I tell them not to have kids so that their children don't have to cope with the stigma.
    I would say having gay parents would be harder to live with.


  • #53
    kylith
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I said Religious people get touchy about Marriage Being a Religious ceremony and addressed comments on it. Thread is only 4 pages .....

    No one will be forcing any religious organisations to perform same sex weddings though.


  • #54
    PopePalpatine
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    I would say having gay parents would be harder to live with.

    You're not making it any easier with your hatred.


  • #55
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Thread is only 4 pages .....

    2 if your settings are right........:)


  • #56
    theboy1
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    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    You're not making it any easier with your hatred.

    Where have I showed any ounce of hatred? My best friend is gay.


  • #57
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    kylith wrote: »
    No one will be forcing any religious organisations to perform same sex weddings though.

    Oddly enough if they dont offer SSM then marriage still has the exact same "definition" within the church.

    Some religious people dont even view people outside their church as actually married so Im not sure what their problem is.


  • #58
    darkpagandeath
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    kylith wrote: »
    No one will be forcing any religious organisations to perform same sex weddings though.

    But they are still getting Touchy about it having the same status.


  • #59
    Scruffy...The Janitor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Scruffy...The Janitor


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    I meant the people who claim its about the children, not the ISPCC. Iona only care about forcing catholic beliefs on everyone.

    Apologies. Misinterpreted who 'they' are. Lol


  • #60
    kunst nugget
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    theboy1 wrote: »
    I would say having gay parents would be harder to live with.

    I don't know... She's well ginger and he's a four eyed nerd. Plenty of ammo there. Definitely going to tell them not to procreate.

    Here's something weird someone said to me. It'll only be a stigma if we as a society allow it. They were obviously overdosing on crazy pills though.


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  • #61
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Oddly enough if they dont offer SSM then marriage still has the exact same "definition" within the church.

    Some religious people dont even view people outside their church as actually married so Im not sure what their problem is.

    No one does, Well I don't I'm Not religious in that way. But they are a large group and cannot be ignored They do have rights as well.


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