Should British soldiers killed in 1916 get a memorial?

Geniass · 08-04-2015 04:52PM

ronivek wrote: »

(oddly appropriate name, too)

He just doesn't know how to properly use the apostrophe and the letter e :pac:

BBJBIG · 08-04-2015 05:23PM

No problemo ... me aul Segothias ...
Me and me mates will just blow the faaaaakin thing up ...

Nodin · 08-04-2015 05:30PM

Your Superior wrote: »

Correct, I don't consider myself Irish, it's just where I was born. Like how Shane McGowan was born in England, and countless others who profess their Irishness.
I'm English and American. That's my blood.

Now, oddly enough I have a plane to catch for a meeting in Cork tomorrow. Have fun folks, keep fighting the imaginary fight.

Ahhh yes, good old "American blood". Funny.

Chijj · 08-04-2015 05:47PM

Your Superior wrote: »

I think the thing everyone seems to be missing here is the fact that the British have not asked for a memorial, and more importantly, none of us actually give a flying fûck about what Irish people do in Ireland. Ireland is never mentioned here, it's not seen as newsworthy at all. You wanted independence so please take it and stop looking at the UK for approval or as a place to vent your anger over issues that happened long before you were born, while wearing your Celtic and Man Utd shirts.

May I query why you are on an Irish forum if you have little interest of the goings on here ?

I enjoyed the bit about the soccer jerseys though.

michael999999 · 08-04-2015 05:49PM

Can you get bronze statues of a war mongrel?

Laois_Man · 08-04-2015 05:59PM

Your Superior wrote: »

He didn't "die" he was murdered. We don't feel the need to erect statues of everyone murdered by the IRA though, indeed even that part of history is now seen as the past and has been moved on from. You should try it.

Why is there a statue of him in Whitehall, London then?

Berserker · 08-04-2015 06:02PM

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

daveyeh · 08-04-2015 06:12PM

Ah yeah, why not.

Make the British pay for it though.

Berserker · 08-04-2015 06:21PM

daveyeh wrote: »

Ah yeah, why not.

Make the British pay for it though.

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Realt Dearg Sec · 08-04-2015 06:27PM

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Sure we'll knock that off your reparations for the genocidal famine and the centuries of deliberate suppression of economic development from which we are still recovering.

daveyeh · 08-04-2015 06:30PM

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Ooooooh. :eek:

Touchy subject?

Shut yer piehole you fawking cant

michael999999 · 08-04-2015 06:31PM

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

You'll be fine!

HSBC went to the Cartels for a top up!

Sheep Lover · 08-04-2015 06:31PM

Berserker wrote: »

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

Good name?

From the same lads who rolled into Croke Park and fired into a crowd of unarmed spectators of a match.

Oh yeah, real upstanding members of justice they were...

08-04-2015 06:31PM

Berserker wrote: »

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

I hope he wasn't in the South Staffordshire regiment anyway

bb1234567 · 08-04-2015 06:33PM

We should make a memorial for the german soldiers who died fighting the resistance fighters in the jewish ghettos in ww2 as well

bb1234567 · 08-04-2015 06:34PM

A good rule of thumb would be to not make memorials for aggressors or invaders in general.

Hans Bricks · 08-04-2015 06:35PM

John Bruton must be loving this thread

Junkyard Tom · 08-04-2015 06:37PM

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse.

That 'loan' was to keep the Irish economy afloat because British banks stood to lose tens of billions of pounds had it collapsed. If many of us had our way you wouldn't have gotten a penny back.

As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

The British Empire was built on murder, slavery and brigandage. It must make you proud.

Kermit.de.frog · 08-04-2015 06:38PM

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

As well as about 150 other nations. You boys sure do think highly of yourselves. Ireland got help from the IMF, EU, ECB, Sweden and Denmark.

WesternZulu · 08-04-2015 06:59PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

As well as about 150 other nations. You boys sure do think highly of yourselves. Ireland got help from the IMF, EU, ECB, Sweden and Denmark.

Not to mention that the UK went cap-in-hand to the IMF in the 70's.

galljga1 · 08-04-2015 07:01PM

Uncle Ruckus wrote: »

Never!Never!Never!

What are you trying to say?

Ghost Buster · 08-04-2015 07:17PM

Shenshen wrote: »

There are however memorials in many places in Germany to members of the allied forces fighting in WWII.

Its kinda universally accepted that the allies were the good guys. that matters.

The_Valeyard · 08-04-2015 07:33PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

John Bruton must be loving this thread

Fap,fap,fap,fap,fap,fap *donkey laugh*

somefeen · 08-04-2015 07:34PM

There's memorials in this country for German Airmen that were killed when they crashed in Ireland during WWII.

The British soldiers killed during the rising were just young men in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its not the Tans we're talking about here

EDit · 08-04-2015 07:37PM

It's kind of indicative of the world we live in that the stupid opinion of a handful of people (let's face it, there's probably no more than a dozen English people who feel this would be appropriate in a country of over 60 million people) can lead to Twitter outbursts, an article on RTE, and several pages on AH with the usual comments about the famine and IRA bombs and such...all I hope is that the Journal.ie don't copy the story, their comments section will explode!

Sunnyisland · 08-04-2015 08:13PM

I think it's a ridiculous idea,
What the **** is wrong with this country ?
Next year we are commerating 100 years since that easter weekend when irish men and women decided to take another stand against brittish occupation, even though the rising its self was not successful the aftermath was, and it paved the long road to our eventually Independence...

Let's comerate it with pride and passion not with ifs buts and ands.

Dick phelan · 08-04-2015 08:17PM

Why would we give a memorial to people who invaded and oppressed us? Be the same as Britain giving a memorial to the Nazi party.

Fratton Fred · 08-04-2015 11:00PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sure we'll knock that off your reparations for the genocidal famine and the centuries of deliberate suppression of economic development from which we are still recovering.

really? It's not down to 90 years of gombeenism, nepotism, economic mis management, isolationism and generally corrupt politicians then?

William F · 08-04-2015 11:07PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In two minds on this. Be nice idea however how many memorials are there to honour the memories of "the other side" in key conflicts in other countries? I doubt there is many. Relatives are calling for a memorial to the soldiers and other things as well like visits to the graves etc.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0408/692695-british-soldiers-memorial/

How much support did the insurgents have at the time though Peadar? Not much. In fact they were heavily abused and derided by most Dubliners immediately after the fracas ended.

Also it's important to remember the manner in which these soldiers died was more due to stupid strategic thinking by British generals sending their troops mindlessly down streets to be slaughtered which they could easily have bypassed!

It sounds like you're trying to undermine the legitimacy of our state.

The British forces in Ireland should be treated with the same contempt as the nazies are in Germany.

bnt · 08-04-2015 11:09PM

There are many memorials to British soldiers killed in 1916, and French, and German, and Russian, and they're not in Ireland. Compared to the Great War that was in progress at the time - at least 2 million deaths in 1916 - the events in Dublin were a non-event, a distraction from far more important concerns.

Should British soldiers killed in 1916 get a memorial?

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