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Should British soldiers killed in 1916 get a memorial?

Kermit.de.frog

In two minds on this. Be nice idea however how many memorials are there to honour the memories of "the other side" in key conflicts in other countries? I doubt there is many. Relatives are calling for a memorial to the soldiers and other things as well like visits to the graves etc.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0408/692695-british-soldiers-memorial/

On Twitter, Sinn Féin TD Peadar Toibin wrote: "British Soldiers imposing oppression through violence should not be commemorated equally with volunteers seeking Irish freedom."

How much support did the insurgents have at the time though Peadar? Not much. In fact they were heavily abused and derided by most Dubliners immediately after the fracas ended.

Also it's important to remember the manner in which these soldiers died was more due to stupid strategic thinking by British generals sending their troops mindlessly down streets to be slaughtered which they could easily have bypassed!

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Geniass

ronivek wrote: »

(oddly appropriate name, too)

He just doesn't know how to properly use the apostrophe and the letter e :pac:

BBJBIG

No problemo ... me aul Segothias ...
Me and me mates will just blow the faaaaakin thing up ...

Nodin

Your Superior wrote: »

Correct, I don't consider myself Irish, it's just where I was born. Like how Shane McGowan was born in England, and countless others who profess their Irishness.
I'm English and American. That's my blood.

Now, oddly enough I have a plane to catch for a meeting in Cork tomorrow. Have fun folks, keep fighting the imaginary fight.

Ahhh yes, good old "American blood". Funny.

Chijj

Your Superior wrote: »

I think the thing everyone seems to be missing here is the fact that the British have not asked for a memorial, and more importantly, none of us actually give a flying fûck about what Irish people do in Ireland. Ireland is never mentioned here, it's not seen as newsworthy at all. You wanted independence so please take it and stop looking at the UK for approval or as a place to vent your anger over issues that happened long before you were born, while wearing your Celtic and Man Utd shirts.

May I query why you are on an Irish forum if you have little interest of the goings on here ?

I enjoyed the bit about the soccer jerseys though.

michael999999

Can you get bronze statues of a war mongrel?

Laois_Man

Your Superior wrote: »

He didn't "die" he was murdered. We don't feel the need to erect statues of everyone murdered by the IRA though, indeed even that part of history is now seen as the past and has been moved on from. You should try it.

Why is there a statue of him in Whitehall, London then?

Berserker

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

daveyeh

Ah yeah, why not.

Make the British pay for it though.

Berserker

daveyeh wrote: »

Ah yeah, why not.

Make the British pay for it though.

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Realt Dearg Sec

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Sure we'll knock that off your reparations for the genocidal famine and the centuries of deliberate suppression of economic development from which we are still recovering.

daveyeh

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

Ooooooh. :eek:

Touchy subject?

Shut yer piehole you fawking cant

michael999999

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

You'll be fine!

HSBC went to the Cartels for a top up!

Sheep Lover

Berserker wrote: »

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

Good name?

From the same lads who rolled into Croke Park and fired into a crowd of unarmed spectators of a match.

Oh yeah, real upstanding members of justice they were...

[Deleted User]

Berserker wrote: »

As someone who has family who were British soldiers around that time, one of whom was present but not killed in 1916 and others who were part of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, I do not want their good name associated with any 1916 memorial.

I hope he wasn't in the South Staffordshire regiment anyway

bb1234567

We should make a memorial for the german soldiers who died fighting the resistance fighters in the jewish ghettos in ww2 as well

bb1234567

A good rule of thumb would be to not make memorials for aggressors or invaders in general.

Hans Bricks

John Bruton must be loving this thread

Junkyard Tom

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse.

That 'loan' was to keep the Irish economy afloat because British banks stood to lose tens of billions of pounds had it collapsed. If many of us had our way you wouldn't have gotten a penny back.

As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

The British Empire was built on murder, slavery and brigandage. It must make you proud.

Kermit.de.frog

Berserker wrote: »

Or we could just knock it off the billions that you owe us from the loan we gave you during your banking system collapse. As usual, you were over in London with 'cap in hand' when it all went wrong.

As well as about 150 other nations. You boys sure do think highly of yourselves. Ireland got help from the IMF, EU, ECB, Sweden and Denmark.

WesternZulu

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

As well as about 150 other nations. You boys sure do think highly of yourselves. Ireland got help from the IMF, EU, ECB, Sweden and Denmark.

Not to mention that the UK went cap-in-hand to the IMF in the 70's.

galljga1

Uncle Ruckus wrote: »

Never!Never!Never!

What are you trying to say?

Ghost Buster

Shenshen wrote: »

There are however memorials in many places in Germany to members of the allied forces fighting in WWII.

Its kinda universally accepted that the allies were the good guys. that matters.

The_Valeyard

Hans Bricks wrote: »

John Bruton must be loving this thread

Fap,fap,fap,fap,fap,fap *donkey laugh*

somefeen

There's memorials in this country for German Airmen that were killed when they crashed in Ireland during WWII.

The British soldiers killed during the rising were just young men in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its not the Tans we're talking about here

EDit

It's kind of indicative of the world we live in that the stupid opinion of a handful of people (let's face it, there's probably no more than a dozen English people who feel this would be appropriate in a country of over 60 million people) can lead to Twitter outbursts, an article on RTE, and several pages on AH with the usual comments about the famine and IRA bombs and such...all I hope is that the Journal.ie don't copy the story, their comments section will explode!

Sunnyisland

I think it's a ridiculous idea,
What the **** is wrong with this country ?
Next year we are commerating 100 years since that easter weekend when irish men and women decided to take another stand against brittish occupation, even though the rising its self was not successful the aftermath was, and it paved the long road to our eventually Independence...

Let's comerate it with pride and passion not with ifs buts and ands.

Dick phelan

Why would we give a memorial to people who invaded and oppressed us? Be the same as Britain giving a memorial to the Nazi party.

Fratton Fred

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Sure we'll knock that off your reparations for the genocidal famine and the centuries of deliberate suppression of economic development from which we are still recovering.

really? It's not down to 90 years of gombeenism, nepotism, economic mis management, isolationism and generally corrupt politicians then?

William F

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In two minds on this. Be nice idea however how many memorials are there to honour the memories of "the other side" in key conflicts in other countries? I doubt there is many. Relatives are calling for a memorial to the soldiers and other things as well like visits to the graves etc.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0408/692695-british-soldiers-memorial/

How much support did the insurgents have at the time though Peadar? Not much. In fact they were heavily abused and derided by most Dubliners immediately after the fracas ended.

Also it's important to remember the manner in which these soldiers died was more due to stupid strategic thinking by British generals sending their troops mindlessly down streets to be slaughtered which they could easily have bypassed!

It sounds like you're trying to undermine the legitimacy of our state.

The British forces in Ireland should be treated with the same contempt as the nazies are in Germany.

bnt

There are many memorials to British soldiers killed in 1916, and French, and German, and Russian, and they're not in Ireland. Compared to the Great War that was in progress at the time - at least 2 million deaths in 1916 - the events in Dublin were a non-event, a distraction from far more important concerns.