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Better Call Saul ***Spoilers***

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    James McGill went from being a con-artist living under the shadow of his brother, that shadow got even darker once he took a dump into a car with 2 kids in it (any one else find that very very funny by the way???), he tried to better himself a whole lot in the hope of getting the approval of his brother, once he found out his brother was never going to approve of him he was at a cross road, 1 was to go back to his old ways (he tried that and didn't like it), 1 was to go his brothers way (partner in a big firm) and the other was to go his own way, he chose his own way and so the trip to the dark side has begun :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    I don't get why people are having such difficulty understanding the path he took.

    First, yes, the slipping Jimmy, not just cos of Chuck, but cos of who he is. We have seen it from the word go. He's hardly straight laced! This last episode just nailed it home, his lil week with Marco reliving the GOOD TIMES!

    Secondly, he is not throwing all that hard work away. He is merely combining it with his other lifestyle. We all know he goes on to be Saul, so he utilizes the law stuff and ties it in with his shady side.

    Finally, it's like he has walked away from a billion dollar fee the way some of you are reacting. He had a possible job with this other firm, there was still loads of work ahead of him to even get the job, brown nosing, etc. It was not a done deal.

    I didn't think it could be any clearer and much more obvious. Were we all watching the same 10 episodes?:confused:

    See, the part I've bolded is what I didn't get. Sure, it was fun while he was doing it (getting it out of his system, as Kim put it), but after a week, he was still sleeping on Marco's floor in his crappy apartment and he didn't seem any happier at all. He checked his messages and wanted to return to his life as a lawyer because he was good at it. His clients loved him and according to Kim's phone call, he had a real shot at making partner at the new law firm. Not only would that be validation that everything Chuck said was bull****, but it would have made him a wealthy man without all the ducking and diving. He wouldn't have been that ambulance chaser the Kettleman's accused him of being earlier in the series, but a respected lawyer - something he had been chasing all season.

    I just thought the transition was completely rushed at the end, in that I didn't think his week with Marco was shown to have been enough to completely turn his ambitions around. Why was he so hurt by Chuck's betrayal if deep down he agreed with his assessment of him and his abilities? How did being Slippin' Jimmy again for that week bring him any more fulfillment?

    I was watching the same 10 episode as you alright and I've thoroughly enjoyed them, but I thought the finale was clumsily handled and a disappointment after the greatness that came before it. Just my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I have a feeling that Chuck's poorly motivated outburst has completely overshadowed what we have seen of the character to this point.

    If "cos he's slippin Jimmy" is the answer to why he turned down the excellent prospect of a parntership in a law firm, which he has worked tirelessly for years to acheive, then there is an issue there for me in terms of writing.

    For every morally questionable thing he has done, we have years of working in a mail room whilst studying law and passing the bar before doing public defender cases and elder law.

    Put it this way, would Jimmy have turned down the partnership at HMM if Chuck hadn't been so against it? Do you think "cos he's slippin Jimmy" would have made him turn it down? I don't think so and it makes him turning down the other one difficult to get my head around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    Holy sheeeeeeeeeeet. Forget about Chuck and the new law firm job POSSIBILITY for a sec will ye. And focus on all Jimmy's stunts. The skateboard brothers, the deal with Tuco's buddy, the fake billboard save, the deal with the Kettermans, using Mike, this is just off the top of my head. Then we have all the other stories like him taking a sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet in a sunroof, him trying to make a buck out of old people, trying to get out of paying car park fees, robbing cucumber water, etc etc etc. He doesn't want a straight office lawyer job!!! He wants to be Saul!! Chuck was actually his only chance of going straight but once he lost his faith he became Saul.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    Oh my god. Oh my. I'm out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Oh my god. Oh my. I'm out.

    I'll miss your reasoned points regarding "cos he's Slippin Jimmy" and calls to disregard huge swaths of the plot!


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    noodler wrote: »
    But 'Deep down' he worked his ass off to get a degree, pass the bar, work in elder law, discover the class action suit etc - Very difficult to argue he has no interest in the position deep down.

    We are supposed to believe that Chuck's betrayal has pushed him over the edge but it seems confusing that he has a chance of everything he worked so hard for with the rival firm and is bottling it.

    He did all of those things because he thought it would gain Chuck's affection. He stopped the conman life for his brother. Then once he realized that even after all Jimmy did, Chuck still looked down on him! It shattered his everything, his world.

    I think that's why the bingo scene was important - everything he was doing was for his brother, but the realisation dawned, so he went back to his previous life, which he did for himself and not for anyone else and made him happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    noodler wrote: »
    I have a feeling that Chuck's poorly motivated outburst has completely overshadowed what we have seen of the character to this point.

    If "cos he's slippin Jimmy" is the answer to why he turned down the excellent prospect of a parntership in a law firm, which he has worked tirelessly for years to acheive, then there is an issue there for me in terms of writing.

    For every morally questionable thing he has done, we have years of working in a mail room whilst studying law and passing the bar before doing public defender cases and elder law.

    Put it this way, would Jimmy have turned down the partnership at HMM if Chuck hadn't been so against it? Do you think "cos he's slippin Jimmy" would have made him turn it down? I don't think so and it makes him turning down the other one difficult to get my head around.

    I think you need to stop looking at Jimmy through the prism of Chuck and look at the character himself.

    He ain't no saint of his own accord.

    Jimmy's written as a dodgy guy. He may have charm and is not an out and out monster. But, he's still not someone who is a straight, trustworthy person.

    Not by a long shot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    noodler wrote: »
    I'll miss your reasoned points regarding "cos he's Slippin Jimmy" and calls to disregard huge swaths of the plot!

    There's a difference between focus and disregard. You need to focus on the main character in the main show and the main element of his character make up which you have clearly missed somehow even though it has been hammered home for 10 episodes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    He did all of those things because he thought it would gain Chuck's affection. He stopped the conman life for his brother. Then once he realized that even after all Jimmy did, Chuck still looked down on him! It shattered his everything, his world.

    I think that's why the bingo scene was important - everything he was doing was for his brother, but the realisation dawned, so he went back to his previous life, which he did for himself and not for anyone else and made him happy.

    Did it make him happy though? I'm not sure this episode proved it did.

    I understand the point that Chuck's betrayal may have changed his motivation and mindset somewhat, but why go down the path of proving Chuck right, instead of the path of proving him dead wrong? That's my main issue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    I obviously missed something along the way, but what is Jimmys relationship with Kim?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Magnate


    noodler wrote: »
    If "cos he's slippin Jimmy" is the answer to why he turned down the excellent prospect of a parntership in a law firm, which he has worked tirelessly for years to acheive, then there is an issue there for me in terms of writing.

    An actual lawyer addressed this on reddit and I think it explains things perfectly.
    I'm seeing a lot of people complaining that Jimmy turning away from the firm offer he had doesn't make a lot of sense, but a lot of it seems to me to stem from this idea that partnership track=guaranteed to become partner and that partners at these firms are Mitt Romney rich.

    Partnership-track only means that partnership is on the table, there is no guarantee. Assuming generously that instead of being brought in as a first year associate, they would put Jimmy on track with a 4th year, he would still have 4-5 years to be up for partner.

    Partners at even the most profitable nationwide firms may make 7 figures but usually not mid or high 7 figures. Given that this firm is a big regional firm based out of Santa Fe, I would imagine the partners aren't getting past 1.5 million/year if even that much.

    Compare to this to what Saul Goodman makes. Even being conservative, we see him rake in 6 figures in deals made in a single day, 7 figure finders' fees, etc. Saul Goodman can make more in a day than Jimmy McGill would have made in a year at that big firm (and the fact that he walked away from 800k in the Kettlesituation made him realize as much).

    At the moment where he is walking into the courthouse, Jimmy realizes that he really enjoyed his week with Marco. He likes being sleazy and skirting the law and he's damn good at it. And now he's "slippin' Jimmy with a law degree" (in Chuck's words/echoed in how surprised Marco is that slippin' Jimmy is a lawyer and not making bank).

    So, his option is to take the job and work insane hours, spending 60-80+ hours/week reviewing documents, on a computer doing legal research, drafting motions, briefs etc. for low to eventually mid 6 figures and a shot at partner making maybe low 7 figures OR to embrace Slippin' Jimmy, realize pleasing Chuck is a futile task, and do the thing he really loves and enjoys for way, way more money.

    Seems like a good choice to me and his time with Marco combined with the Kettlemoney (and Chuck's "slippin' Jimmy with a law degree" comment) made it a reasonable time for him to make the decision too.

    I also think the offer was integral to showing that Saul Goodman was not a product of desperation, but a man realizing that he was good at being bad and that he liked it (sound familiar?) and going for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    Dark crystal, I see what you are saying. But it is just as easy to understand Jimmy foregoing that opportunity to prove Chuck wrong as much as it is to see why he couldn't be arsed doing it and wanted to try and make a quick dishonest buck using his other skillset. It wasn't an easy decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Well, whether we disagree on the ending or not, I just hope Chuck buys it next season. Something ironic like being killed by a falling electricity pylon or something....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭groovie


    stephenl15 wrote: »
    I obviously missed something along the way, but what is Jimmys relationship with Kim?

    This is what 'Kim' has to say on the subject


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,886 ✭✭✭stephenl15


    groovie wrote: »

    Maybe I didn't miss too much after all :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    noodler wrote: »
    Put it this way, would Jimmy have turned down the partnership at HMM if Chuck hadn't been so against it? Do you think "cos he's slippin Jimmy" would have made him turn it down? I don't think so and it makes him turning down the other one difficult to get my head around.


    So does anyone have an opinion on this specific point?

    Or do you think that it wasn't the partnership he wanted as such, but to work with his borther?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭Mousewar


    noodler wrote: »
    So does anyone have an opinion on this specific point?

    Or do you think that it wasn't the partnership he wanted as such, but to work with his borther?

    Yes, he wanted his brother's approval and to work with him. Taking the other job wouldn't have achieved that so the motivation wasn't there. In the end he decided to stop trying to prove himself to his brother and to just be exactly who he wanted to be.
    Also, Gilligan likes to show that people's path are of their own choosing and not forced upon them. In Breaking Bad, he creates the illusion that Walt is cooking meth out of necessity to save his family as he is dying. But that illusion is shattered by the end of the show and as early as season 2 we see the conscious decision by Walt to stay in the drug business even though it is no longer required as he has both money and his cancer is in remission ('Stay out of my territory' scene). Saul turning down this job was his equivalent moment imo. Although he has had some difficulties this decision to 'become' Saul wasn't forced on him - he chooses it freely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,910 ✭✭✭squonk


    I found the episode a bit jarring also. I could see the point of going back and reuniting with Marco as a way of getting things out of Jimmy's system. Marco's death was a bit ham fisted.

    The quote from the lawyer above was intersting. I found it quite jarring that he just walked away from the legitimate job. He seems to be obsessed with working with Chuck and maybe when push came to shove he realised he didn't want to be legitimate unless Chuck was mentoring him and he'd not be in contact with him in the Santa Fe firm. Maybe it just held out no interest anymore. I think now I realise he figured out what he was good at and realised that was the better direction for him to take. He's in the position that he'll never work with Chuck because Chuck doesn't want that.

    I thought Rhea Seehorn was excellent this week. She had a small scene but, for me, it made Jimmy's walking away more poignant. There was just a piece at the end of her call where she smiled that showed that she was just delighted with the outcome and that Jimmy had finally gotten what he deserved and that she was looking forward so much to seeing how things would work out for him. Because of that I hated Jimmy for having second thoughts. Poor Kim!

    In the end it didn't feel like a finalé. The show needed a few more episodes perhaps. I'm looking forward to Season 2 but I wish I'd gotten just a little more of Season 1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mousewar wrote: »
    Yes, he wanted his brother's approval and to work with him. Taking the other job wouldn't have achieved that so the motivation wasn't there. In the end he decided to stop trying to prove himself to his brother and to just be exactly who he wanted to be.
    Also, Gilligan likes to show that people's path are of their own choosing and not forced upon them. In Breaking Bad, he creates the illusion that Walt is cooking meth out of necessity to save his family as he is dying. But that illusion is shattered by the end of the show and as early as season 2 we see the conscious decision by Walt to stay in the drug business even though it is no longer required as he has both money and his cancer is in remission ('Stay out of my territory' scene). Saul turning down this job was his equivalent moment imo. Although he has had some difficulties this decision to 'become' Saul wasn't forced on him - he chooses it freely.

    Bingo.

    And JUST like Walter White, we will see people trying to make all sorts of justifications for Jimmy/Saul's actions over the course of the show, despite the fact that the script clearly paints and will continue to paint him is a relatively bad light.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    See, the part I've bolded is what I didn't get. Sure, it was fun while he was doing it (getting it out of his system, as Kim put it), but after a week, he was still sleeping on Marco's floor in his crappy apartment and he didn't seem any happier at all. He checked his messages and wanted to return to his life as a lawyer because he was good at it. His clients loved him and according to Kim's phone call, he had a real shot at making partner at the new law firm. Not only would that be validation that everything Chuck said was bull****, but it would have made him a wealthy man without all the ducking and diving. He wouldn't have been that ambulance chaser the Kettleman's accused him of being earlier in the series, but a respected lawyer - something he had been chasing all season.

    I just thought the transition was completely rushed at the end, in that I didn't think his week with Marco was shown to have been enough to completely turn his ambitions around. Why was he so hurt by Chuck's betrayal if deep down he agreed with his assessment of him and his abilities? How did being Slippin' Jimmy again for that week bring him any more fulfillment?

    I was watching the same 10 episode as you alright and I've thoroughly enjoyed them, but I thought the finale was clumsily handled and a disappointment after the greatness that came before it. Just my opinion.
    noodler wrote: »
    I have a feeling that Chuck's poorly motivated outburst has completely overshadowed what we have seen of the character to this point.

    If "cos he's slippin Jimmy" is the answer to why he turned down the excellent prospect of a parntership in a law firm, which he has worked tirelessly for years to acheive, then there is an issue there for me in terms of writing.

    For every morally questionable thing he has done, we have years of working in a mail room whilst studying law and passing the bar before doing public defender cases and elder law.

    Put it this way, would Jimmy have turned down the partnership at HMM if Chuck hadn't been so against it? Do you think "cos he's slippin Jimmy" would have made him turn it down? I don't think so and it makes him turning down the other one difficult to get my head around.

    I have to agree, this episode was poorly written.

    If they wanted to convince me that he was enticed back to his old ways by his sojourn in this week's episode, they failed.

    Nothing in what happened in the episode seemed compelling enough to make it believable.

    Hated the coin hustle scene too. Yawn. And Marco's death was really cheesy, as mentioned earlier.

    A poor episode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,565 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    I have to agree, this episode was poorly written.

    If they wanted to convince me that he was enticed back to his old ways by his sojourn in this week's episode, they failed.

    Nothing in what happened in the episode seemed compelling enough to make it believable.

    Hated the coin hustle scene too. Yawn. And Marco's death was really cheesy, as mentioned earlier.

    A poor episode.

    Glad its not just me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    Finished this over the last few days. Great first season, obviously not on the same level as BB, yet, but I can see some excellent characters and scenarios being introduced during future seasons. I seriously love the creators abilities to blend subtle humour into their shows so well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭johnpatrick81


    "If you build it, I will come" :pac:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great first season with a slightly underwhelming finale. That Kevin Costner bit though, brilliant! I want to be like Jimmy when I grow up :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Greyjoy


    noodler wrote: »
    They wanted him though, he'd be working on the case he brought. There was every chance he would get it.

    What exactly is he giving it up for? He has absolutely nothing on the side apart from the Elder Law business. If there was a shady mobster on the sidelines offering 100,000 a year then I would understand the confliction but as it is, he is using throwing away 800k as justification for throwing away the job he has worked so hard for.

    Yeah, there needed to be a concrete choice in order to lure Jimmy away from the position in the other law firm. Something that would cause a genuine crisis of conscience other than him thinking "hey I could potentially make a lot of money if I take dodgy clients". Even something as simple as jimmy getting a call about a new case from Nacho, Tuco's henchman, as he pulls into the parking lot.

    On a side note my opinion of Hamlin has mellowed a little bit. I liked the scene with him & jimmy as it made Hamlin a little bit less of an asshole.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think that Jimmy's decision at the end is down to one thing and one thing only, if he takes the partnership position then he's no longer his own man. The appeal of working with Chuck was the Jimmy would finally have proven himself in his brother's eyes and when he realised just how evil his brother was Jimmy realised that working the way he does offers a freedom that no other firm does. I don't think it's about the money so much as it is about Jimmy deciding not to suppress the real him. He's a con man at heart and the finale did a great job of demonstrating that, the early episodes where he practiced his routine in the mirror were not nerves but rather Jimmy adapting his street smarts to a more civilized arena.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭jcsoulinger


    Don't really get the argument here about why Jimmy didn't take the new offer, He was sick of pretending to be something he wasn't, Its that simple. He has struggled with it through the whole series. Even if chuck had let him work at HHM he would have still come to this realisation eventually. Chuck may have been a dick but he was right about Jimmy.

    Over all very poor final episode. The montage with the scams was the worst part and then ya find out only a week had passed, Really bad considering how good they usually are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    noodler wrote: »
    Why he would turn down the chance of a partnership is a little bewildering to me. Okay, so he regrets not keeping the money, but why on earth turn down such a position as a result? Its not like he has a readymade mob family, with better pay, to work for right now?
    Because he's tired of playing by everyone's rules for years trying to win his brother's respect, only to have that blow up in his face. Turning down the job marks his self-acceptance as Slippin' Jimmy/Saul.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    noodler wrote: »
    We are supposed to believe that Chuck's betrayal has pushed him over the edge but it seems confusing that he has a chance of everything he worked so hard for with the rival firm and is bottling it.
    Well, it was an extreme revelation which went against everything he had previously believed. His image of his brother is shattered, and that corresponds with his image of the establishment. It naturally affects a dramatic change of character and behavior in him, as seen first when he snaps in the bingo hall.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Cantstandsya


    I thought this episode was fairly weak. From what I've read it was the directorial debut of Peter Gould, the co-creator, and it showed. It was far less coherent than what came before, which was a shame.

    I think Jimmy not taking the position makes sense. He was trying to prove to Chuck and himself that he wasn't just Slippin' Jimmy. When Chuck revealed that he didn't think he'd ever change he escaped back to being Slippin' Jimmy to see if Chuck was right...

    I think after his week with Marco he'd decided that Chuck was wrong, that he actually wanted to be that lawyer who his clients were reaching out to in his phone messages. He was ready to back to work and to give up Slippin' Jimmy again... until Marco confessed that their week together had been the best of his life, I think in that moment Jimmy realised that what he'd been looking for from Chuck by playing the part of the good lawyer had been there all along in Slippin' Jimmy's world via his friendship with Marco. At the end Jimmy decides to be true to who he really is, to be true to the man Marco adored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    noodler wrote: »
    It would be as easy to say that he is a reformed character whose betrayal by his brother ultimately knocked him back into a a shady life.

    A recent review made the point that Saul is like the inverse of Walt. Walt is a bad character who only seems to lead a good/moral life, whereas Saul is a good character (indeed, a "goodman") who seems to lead a bad life. I can't remember which publication I read that in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,910 ✭✭✭squonk


    Over all very poor final episode. The montage with the scams was the worst part and then ya find out only a week had passed, Really bad considering how good they usually are.

    Excellent point! I kinda did a 'What now??' at the end of the montage when it was mentioned it was only a week that had passed. It was also straight out of a 40's musical as well which is great when it's done for irony or comedic effect, like Family Guy, but it was kind of cheesy here. Personally I'd have focused on a few scams, faded to black mid scam and used a "One Week Later...." title or something.

    There was also somethng a bit hackneyed on the shot before Saul goes full Saul. You know the bigwigs are in town and he's there to meet them but that shot of the grille of the Jag was just a bit heavy handed or something. It's small things like that that grated about this episode.

    On the plus side though, I've already said I loved the Kim scene. It was great. Maybe that was down to the actress herself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Cantstandsya


    folamh wrote: »
    A recent review made the point that Saul is like the inverse of Walt. Walt is a bad character who only seems to lead a good/moral life, whereas Saul is a good character (indeed, a "goodman") who seems to lead a bad life. I can't remember which publication I read that in.



    http://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8362853/better-call-saul-finale-recap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    Yes, that was the review.


  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Cantstandsya


    Sorry, had just read it myself so thought I'd slap up the link incase anyone wanted a read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Great ending, setting season 2 up with Saul and Mike ... when is it coming back ?

    2016 ? or can we hope for this Autumn ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭bren2001


    the_monkey wrote: »
    Great ending, setting season 2 up with Saul and Mike ... when is it coming back ?

    2016 ? or can we hope for this Autumn ?

    Production July and around the same time next year is what Kelly Dixon tweeted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    what would Saul stand to gain from the 20% of the $20m figure that chuck mentioned? As in Im guessing it would be nowhere near $4m...after compensation, costs etc would it turn out to be a fairly meagre amount overall?

    that crappy montage of Jimmy and the fat lad pulling scams gave me serious flashbacks of a similar scene in some film I can't put my finger on. thought the last episode was brutal in comparison to the rest of the series. there was no sense of a finale whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,958 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar



    that crappy montage of Jimmy and the fat lad pulling scams gave me serious flashbacks of a similar scene in some film I can't put my finger on. thought the last episode was brutal in comparison to the rest of the series. there was no sense of a finale whatsoever.

    Reminded me of Hackers with Jonny Lee Miller and Angelina Jolie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭DerekDGoldfish


    what would Saul stand to gain from the 20% of the $20m figure that chuck mentioned? As in Im guessing it would be nowhere near $4m...after compensation, costs etc would it turn out to be a fairly meagre amount overall?

    that crappy montage of Jimmy and the fat lad pulling scams gave me serious flashbacks of a similar scene in some film I can't put my finger on. thought the last episode was brutal in comparison to the rest of the series. there was no sense of a finale whatsoever.

    Well that 20 million was an estimate based on the number of places they thought sandpiper was involved in initially, HHM are working with another firm now because the number of places involved is larger than expected. So the total settlement could be more than 20m.

    But even taking the 20m as a ballpark, if the legal fees ended up being €5m on this and the firm after paying for costs, staff etc made 20% partners profit on this then Jimmy would be in line for €1m in purely ball park terms.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    We'll also get to have updates on the case as it plays out in future as well won't we? I thought that part was brilliant, how he discovered the case and it developed over a couple of episodes with his brother so I'm interested in it now. I'm going to take a guess that it doesn't play out too well or successful for Saul though given the quality of his practice in BB.


    If they found one branch of old folks home doing this they could also look into others for individual cases before the original case got national coverage. That way they'd have multiple huge cases and payouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭folamh


    I presume Gustavo will play a big part in the next season. In Breaking Bad, Mike seems to be Gus' guy rather than Saul's. So BCS will have to show how that arrangement came to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Gus isn't a natural frontman and survives by not drawing attention to himself. Even at this early point I would imagine an ex-cop with the skills that Mike has will have come to the attention of Gus. He'd be checking to see if Mike really did leave the force, wasn't some FBI plant etc.

    As for Saul having no money in BB, he runs a cheap and shoddy ambulance chasing firm as a front for what he really does. Provide laundering, brokerage, and connections for some of the most serious organised criminals in the US. His life at the high end of the criminal money spectrum did not start when Jesse walked Walt through the door. It merely started to finish.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    folamh wrote: »
    I presume Gustavo will play a big part in the next season. In Breaking Bad, Mike seems to be Gus' guy rather than Saul's. So BCS will have to show how that arrangement came to be.


    Would've thought Gus would've been kept closer to the last season when they're really close to the BB timeline


    Gus isn't a natural frontman and survives by not drawing attention to himself. Even at this early point I would imagine an ex-cop with the skills that Mike has will have come to the attention of Gus. He'd be checking to see if Mike really did leave the force, wasn't some FBI plant etc.

    As for Saul having no money in BB, he runs a cheap and shoddy ambulance chasing firm as a front for what he really does. Provide laundering, brokerage, and connections for some of the most serious organised criminals in the US. His life at the high end of the criminal money spectrum did not start when Jesse walked Walt through the door. It merely started to finish.


    Lold hard at this, just thinking about Walt's character waking in the door and the impending doom following him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Lold hard at this, just thinking about Walt's character waking in the door and the impending doom following him.


    It would have deprived us of hours of entertainment, but a lot of people would still be ticking along nicely doing business as per usual if someone had taken a baseball bat to Walt's pointy head at that point. Thanks, I'll not rewatch BB again without seeing a little black cloud over Walt's bald spot.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    It would have deprived us of hours of entertainment, but a lot of people would still be ticking along nicely doing business as per usual if someone had taken a baseball bat to Walt's pointy head at that point. Thanks, I'll not rewatch BB again without seeing a little black cloud over Walt's bald spot.


    He's an absolutely unforgettable character, a genius creation. I wonder was he always a ticking time bomb though or was that all just due to the new criminal environment he got into that completely changed him to be how he was. Like, if he had never been diagnosed with cancer would he really have continued like normal into old age and just lived a totally regular life until he died of old age? It's just the transformation seemed to seamless and natural from a totally normal family man and teacher into an absolute nutcase, was that side of him was always there just waiting to be triggered lol. And was cancer the only thing to trigger it.


    I've only watched BB once, when it was all airing, and that's it. I really want to rewatch it all but the longer I wait the better it'll be since I'll have forgotten a lot of it so hoping I can hold out until BCS is completely finished. I really want to be able to say The Wire or Game of Thrones is my favourite show but when I think about this, suddenly Breaking Bad just pops into my head like "nope"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    ^ Walt would have trotted into old age. A forgotten grump. That old turnip about how 10-20% of people you know are psychopaths is true. Most of them don't present openly because there isn't a war on, they're not backed into a corner. A high percentage go on to become CEOs or frustrated teachers.
    As it stands, he was working two crap jobs, facing death and financial ruin. That's a corner. Having no empathy and an ego the size of a planet were his two assets alongside a twisted bent for chemistry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭Mardy Bum


    noodler wrote: »

    Why he would turn down the chance of a partnership is a little bewildering to me. Okay, so he regrets not keeping the money, but why on earth turn down such a position as a result? Its not like he has a readymade mob family, with better pay, to work for right now?

    Because of what Marco said about their time together before the last stunt. It was the best week of his life and then he died. This didn't resonate with Jimmy until it was all set up for him to effectively become his brother. He realised this was not him he had to be his own man.

    The show is about masculine identity and it is a wonderful exploration


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭kevohmsford


    Really enjoyed the first season. Some great characters.


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