Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Billy86 · 06-04-2015 06:26PM

DeadHand wrote: »

Oh, I'm sorry.

Is the producer still in hospital? Will he live do you think?

How many years of psychotherapy will it take for him to recover from being called a "lazy Irish c*nt"?

A storm in a tea cup latched onto by people who don't like him anyway as a stick to beat him with.

Do you recommend I get up right now, go to the guy sat 3 desks over from me who forgot to forward a message to me on Thursday afternoon, and yell at him for 20 minutes non stop before punching him in the face? What do you reckon the end result will be?

P. Breathnach · 06-04-2015 06:30PM

threeball wrote: »

... luckily for him the producer obviously isn't able to handle himself or knew his job was finished if he reacted....

There is the third possibility: that Tymon behaved like a civilized person.

Magico Gonzalez · 06-04-2015 06:31PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Do you recommend I get up right now, go to the guy sat 3 desks over from me who forgot to forward a message to me on Thursday afternoon, and yell at him for 20 minutes non stop before punching him in the face? What do you reckon the end result will be?

Apparently unless you hospitalise the fool or cause him to need psychiatric care, all good apparently.

Go for it. You will continue to be a valued employee and rewarded accordingly.

I'm off now to dole out a few nipple tweeks to a few colleagues whose inability to control situations outside of their control has annoyed me. Might get pished beforehand though.

Super.

Magico Gonzalez · 06-04-2015 06:35PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

There is the third possibility: that Tymon behaved like a civilized person.

Option 4. He felt mildly embarrassed for the drunken, lumbering middle aged man with a back problem. He decided to keep schtum whilst the blustering fckwit was windmilling, let him huff and puff for a bit until he fcked off to sleep off the rosé.

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-04-2015 06:38PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

There is the third possibility: that Tymon behaved like a civilized person.

That.
I can't believe we are heating up this argument for the umpteenth time. Leave it alone guys, the bones of this have been well and truly picked.

DeadHand · 06-04-2015 06:55PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Do you recommend I get up right now, go to the guy sat 3 desks over from me who forgot to forward a message to me on Thursday afternoon, and yell at him for 20 minutes non stop before punching him in the face? What do you reckon the end result will be?

That's a load of dishonest, misrepresentative nonsense.

I never claimed what he he did was right or an acceptable way to behave. The only point I made is that a minor incident was blown out of all proportion and the subsequent vilification of the man was vindictive and unfair.

He made a mistake and behaved appalling in a moment of anger as almost every human being with a heart has at some stage. He didn't hurt the man in any significant way. He insulted him mildly. Like an honourable man, he admitted he was in the wrong and attempted to apologise.

You'd think he decapitated the man while reciting mein kampt to read the hysterical reaction here and elsewhere.

I'm not suggesting he should be reinstated as I feel he can turn this disaster to his advantage and reinvent himself. He is, in my opinion, better off outside the BBC that once proud institution that has devolved into the gelded, craven mouthpiece of British self loathing and crawling PCism. All human beings should attempt when faced by disaster to turn it to their advantage if at all possible, even when that "disaster" is mostly manufactured by third parties like this one. To readjust, learn and evolve.

All I'm suggesting is the witch hunt and demonisation of a difficult though basically decent man has been much uglier than the relatively tame incident he is being publicly pilloried for could possibly have been.

If we were all judged on and forever remembered for our worst moments, what kind of world would that be? What kind of life would anyone have?

Best of luck to the man. I hope he continues to have a wildly successful career as nothing will upset his sanctimonious, handwringing critics more.

DeadHand · 06-04-2015 06:59PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If someone approached you in your workplace, abused you publicly and struck you,would you consider that a minor spat?

If it merely involved being called a c*nt and having a poorly aimed, feeble punch slightly inflame my lip then, yes, that is clearly a minor spat.

Magico Gonzalez · 06-04-2015 07:01PM

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a load of dishonest, misrepresentative nonsense.

I never claimed what he he did was right or an acceptable way to behave. The only point I made is that a minor incident was blown out of all proportion and the subsequent vilification of the man was vindictive and unfair.

He made a mistake and behaved appalling in a moment of anger as almost every human being with a heart has at some stage. He didn't hurt the man in any significant way. He insulted him mildly. Like an honourable man, he admitted he was in the wrong and attempted to apologise.

You'd think he decapitated the man while reciting mein kampt to read the hysterical reaction here and elsewhere.

I'm not suggesting he should be reinstated as I feel he can turn this disaster to his advantage and reinvent himself. He is, in my opinion, better off outside the BBC that once proud institution that has devolved into the gelded, craven mouthpiece of British self loathing and crawling PCism. All human beings should attempt when faced by disaster to turn it to their advantage if at all possible, even when that "disaster" is mostly manufactured by third parties like this one. To readjust, learn and evolve.

All I'm suggesting is the witch hunt and demonisation of a difficult though basically decent man has been much uglier than the relatively tame incident he is being publicly pilloried for could possibly have been.

If we were all judged on and forever remembered for our worst moments, what kind of world would that be? What kind of life would anyone have?

Best of luck to the man. I hope he continues to have a wildly successful career as nothing will upset his sanctimonious, handwringing critics more.

TLDR. Punching people is OK in work. The BBC have signed up to the mythical PC brigade and there are rumours of a liberal agenda being passed around Television centre.

Where will it all stop!

osarusan · 06-04-2015 07:01PM

Is 'Clarksonbot' a term that might catch on?

Magico Gonzalez · 06-04-2015 07:02PM

DeadHand wrote: »

If it merely involved being called a c*nt and having a poorly aimed, feeble punch slightly inflame my lip then, yes, that is clearly a minor spat.

Punching - sound.
Abusive language - sound.

Are you sure? I don't recommend testing the water with HR on this one.

DeadHand · 06-04-2015 07:06PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

TLDR. Punching people is OK in work. The BBC have signed up to the mythical PC brigade and there are rumours of a liberal agenda being passed around Television centre.

Where will it all stop!

Again, a fairly puerile misrepresentation of what I actually wrote.

Quote where I wrote punching people is OK.

The BBC is notorious for it's political correctness. It has an obvious liberal agenda.

threeball · 06-04-2015 07:07PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

There is the third possibility: that Tymon behaved like a civilized person.

Self defence is uncivilized now is it. Do Civilised people curl up in a ball and take a kicking unlike the rest of us apes?

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-04-2015 07:07PM

And so we're circling the drain...

DeadHand · 06-04-2015 07:08PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Punching - sound.
Abusive language - sound.

Are you sure? I don't recommend testing the water with HR on this one.

Where do I say it's sound?

Why are you constantly twisting what I write?

Just because I don't join in a vindictive witch hunt over a minor confrontation this means I'm some promoter of violence?

foggy_lad · 06-04-2015 07:19PM

DeadHand wrote: »

"Clocked" is a dramatic word for what was, at the end of the day, hurt feelings and a slightly swollen lip. It shows how hysterical Western society has become when a minor row like this is blown into some savage assault and racist rant.

Wow so walking up to someone and abusing them for 20 minutes then assaulting them is acceptable in your world?

DeadHand wrote: »

From what I've read, he got involved in a minor spat that has been blown out of all proportion.

An aggressive long lasting outburst that any wife-beater would be proud of and followed by the "slap" to put it to bed!

threeball wrote: »

I'm sorry, but Clarkson deserved to have the **** kicked out of him for what he did but luckily for him the producer obviously isn't able to handle himself or knew his job was finished if he reacted. Clarkson knew what he was doing, if Vinnie Jones was producing you could have been damn sure he wouldn't have opened his mouth.
Clarkson was late of his own accord and decided to take out his frustration on someone he knew wouldn't retaliate.

THis type of attitude reminds me of a certain mindset and certain grouping who often post videos online "calling each other out"
NSFW
****e in a bucket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tenKOvWjC6o

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a load of dishonest, misrepresentative nonsense.

I never claimed what he he did was right or an acceptable way to behave. The only point I made is that a minor incident was blown out of all proportion and the subsequent vilification of the man was vindictive and unfair.

It was an unprovoked assault!

He made a mistake and behaved appalling in a moment of anger as almost every human being with a heart has at some stage. He didn't hurt the man in any significant way. He insulted him mildly. Like an honourable man, he admitted he was in the wrong and attempted to apologise.

He went off on a 20minute tirade of abuse and followed it with an unprovoked assault.

You'd think he decapitated the man while reciting mein kampt to read the hysterical reaction here and elsewhere.

I'm not suggesting he should be reinstated as I feel he can turn this disaster to his advantage and reinvent himself. He is, in my opinion, better off outside the BBC that once proud institution that has devolved into the gelded, craven mouthpiece of British self loathing and crawling PCism. All human beings should attempt when faced by disaster to turn it to their advantage if at all possible, even when that "disaster" is mostly manufactured by third parties like this one. To readjust, learn and evolve.

All I'm suggesting is the witch hunt and demonisation of a difficult though basically decent man has been much uglier than the relatively tame incident he is being publicly pilloried for could possibly have been.

If we were all judged on and forever remembered for our worst moments, what kind of world would that be? What kind of life would anyone have?

Best of luck to the man. I hope he continues to have a wildly successful career as nothing will upset his sanctimonious, handwringing critics more.

Well we are all not held to the same standards as Clarkson and other celebrities but we don't get paid to watch our P's & Q's as well as the celebrities have to!

His career is finished as no production or tv company will touch someone who has proven to be so unreliable.

As for demonisation and witch hunts, the only people targeting Clarkson were his tv and media colleagues who were just like Clarkson on the evening of the incident, out for blood!

threeball · 06-04-2015 08:02PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

There is the third possibility: that Tymon behaved like a civilized person.

Self defence is uncivilized now is it. Do Civilised people curl up in a ball and take a kicking unlike the rest of us apes?

My name is URL · 06-04-2015 08:11PM

threeball wrote: »

Self defence is uncivilized now is it. Do Civilised people curl up in a ball and take a kicking unlike the rest of us apes?

Yeah, I found that response a bit odd too tbh. I guess it's the opposite extreme.

I doubt many people would blame the producer if he had reacted physically, but as James May said, fair play to him for not doing so.

Tarzana2 · 06-04-2015 08:28PM

DeadHand, seriously stop. You're where many others were about ten days ago. Move on.

threeball · 06-04-2015 08:58PM

Double post

P. Breathnach · 06-04-2015 09:57PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Option 4. He felt mildly embarrassed for the drunken, lumbering middle aged man with a back problem. He decided to keep schtum whilst the blustering fckwit was windmilling, let him huff and puff for a bit until he fcked off to sleep off the rosé.

That's really option 3 expressed differently!

Brendan Bendar · 06-04-2015 10:23PM

DeadHand wrote: »

If it merely involved being called a c*nt and having a poorly aimed, feeble punch slightly inflame my lip then, yes, that is clearly a minor spat.

Cmon , you are making yourself look foolish now.

Larbre34 · 06-04-2015 10:38PM

There goes the zeitgeist nitelink.

/thread

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-04-2015 11:38PM

threeball wrote: »

Self defence is uncivilized now is it. Do Civilised people curl up in a ball and take a kicking unlike the rest of us apes?

Strength is not hitting someone. Its knowing when not to hit someone. Takes character and dignity.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead · 07-04-2015 12:01AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Strength is not hitting someone. Its knowing when not to hit someone. Takes character and dignity.

Mr Miyagi was a great proponent of this philosophy. While he constantly engineered situations where he was set upon and reluctantly "defended" himself by kicking the living sh1t out of people, before smugly wandering off lamenting man's penchant for violence.

Billy86 · 07-04-2015 12:16AM

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a load of dishonest, misrepresentative nonsense.

By pretty much all accounts Clarkson did yell at Tymon for 20 minutes or the guts of it, and by all accounts he did then punch him in the face.

So please explain how stating that is being dishonest or misrepresenting what happened?

I never claimed what he he did was right or an acceptable way to behave. The only point I made is that a minor incident was blown out of all proportion and the subsequent vilification of the man was vindictive and unfair.

He made a mistake and behaved appalling in a moment of anger as almost every human being with a heart has at some stage. He didn't hurt the man in any significant way. He insulted him mildly. Like an honourable man, he admitted he was in the wrong and attempted to apologise.

You'd think he decapitated the man while reciting mein kampt to read the hysterical reaction here and elsewhere.

No, I wouldn't myself. I would be more interested why you think it isn't a big deal that Clarkson berating his colleague for 20 odd minutes and the punching him in the face is "a storm in a teacup latched on to people that don't like him anyway" while my asking what you think would happen if I did that is "dishonest and misrepresentative."

I'm not suggesting he should be reinstated as I feel he can turn this disaster to his advantage and reinvent himself. He is, in my opinion, better off outside the BBC that once proud institution that has devolved into the gelded, craven mouthpiece of British self loathing and crawling PCism. All human beings should attempt when faced by disaster to turn it to their advantage if at all possible, even when that "disaster" is mostly manufactured by third parties like this one. To readjust, learn and evolve.

All I'm suggesting is the witch hunt and demonisation of a difficult though basically decent man has been much uglier than the relatively tame incident he is being publicly pilloried for could possibly have been.

If we were all judged on and forever remembered for our worst moments, what kind of world would that be? What kind of life would anyone have?

Best of luck to the man. I hope he continues to have a wildly successful career as nothing will upset his sanctimonious, handwringing critics more.

I'm over in Canada at the minute so I can't weigh in on media treatment etc, but from what I have read in here it is the Clarkson defenders more than anything that seem to be stoking the fires, rather than those that don't like him. Of course though the papers, panel shows, etc will run with it a good bit because he was the main presenter of the biggest TV show in the whole world which aired on their national broadcaster - so it's kind of a big deal.

Personally I am a bit indifferent to him; not a huge fan of the man but I don't hate him, and he was a very good presenter on TG it has to be said.

Sofiztikated · 07-04-2015 12:19AM

DeadHand wrote: »

That's a load of dishonest, misrepresentative nonsense.

I never claimed what he he did was right or an acceptable way to behave. The only point I made is that a minor incident was blown out of all proportion and the subsequent vilification of the man was vindictive and unfair.

He made a mistake and behaved appalling in a moment of anger as almost every human being with a heart has at some stage. He didn't hurt the man in any significant way. He insulted him mildly. Like an honourable man, he admitted he was in the wrong and attempted to apologise.

You'd think he decapitated the man while reciting mein kampt to read the hysterical reaction here and elsewhere.

I'm not suggesting he should be reinstated as I feel he can turn this disaster to his advantage and reinvent himself. He is, in my opinion, better off outside the BBC that once proud institution that has devolved into the gelded, craven mouthpiece of British self loathing and crawling PCism. All human beings should attempt when faced by disaster to turn it to their advantage if at all possible, even when that "disaster" is mostly manufactured by third parties like this one. To readjust, learn and evolve.

All I'm suggesting is the witch hunt and demonisation of a difficult though basically decent man has been much uglier than the relatively tame incident he is being publicly pilloried for could possibly have been.

If we were all judged on and forever remembered for our worst moments, what kind of world would that be? What kind of life would anyone have?

Best of luck to the man. I hope he continues to have a wildly successful career as nothing will upset his sanctimonious, handwringing critics more.

I don't know what you've been reading, but the witch hunt and demonising was of Tymon, and it's still happening.

I like Clarkson, I liked Top Gear, but I'm in no doubt that this was all, even by his own admission, Clarksons' own fault.

Rightly or wrongly, he was already in trouble with "De Boss," then he goes and does something like that. He verbally and physically assaulted a colleague. The fact Tymon had a split lip was besides the point. Clarkson reported it himself. "De Boss" can only give him so many chances. It's like the 3 Strikes rule, it doesn't matter if your third strike is for petty theft, or murder, you is goin' away!

I'd like to see Clarkson learn from this, and go on and produce some more television, I wouldn't wish him homeless or destitute. But unfortunately, he has made himself rather unsaleable at the moment.

Christ, if I got in shíte a couple of times in work, and then after I got in shíte again, verbally abused my bosses at a charity function, I'd be surprised if I DIDN'T get let go.

CiDeRmAn · 07-04-2015 11:31AM

The poster is just flogging a dead horse.
On a topic that even Clarkson has accepted Tymon was not at fault over.
He's deluded thinking that abuse in the workplace and assault by a colleague is ever anything to be excused.

It's a problem with the ignorant who imagine that the strong must prevail while the weak should bow the head.

Civilisation means that the strong protect the weak.
Civilisation means that those with a voice use it to create rules for all that ensures that the strong, the vocal never subjugate the weak, and makes central to our culture that all voices are equal and all people have parity of esteem in all things.

When these rules are deliberately broken because they don't suit, because one person wants more, that societal norms no longer serves their needs, these people need to be identified.
They should then be brought before their peers and accept responsibility for their actions.

Otherwise the few with privilege succeed, the many without suffer and we just dial civilisation back to the Dark Ages and chalk down the whole 20th/21st century as a failed experiment.

P. Breathnach · 07-04-2015 11:37AM

CiDeRmAn, do you think that those who subscribe to the Clarkson worldview will go along with what you say?

I think you may be flogging a dead horse. Or a living troll.

Harry Palmr · 07-04-2015 11:38AM

Anyway, police have decided not to arrest Clarkson and an orderly queue shall now form to tempt the three to their channel.

DeadHand · 07-04-2015 11:47AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The poster is just flogging a dead horse.. (Long flowery strawman argument)

Sigh.

Again, I'm not promoting violence or defending what Clarkson did or arguing it is an acceptable way to behave.

My only misgivings were with the hysteria over the situation, the demonisation of the man and how what was a minor incident has been inflated into some savage attack.

But don't let actually reading my posts break into the time it takes to construct posts that, while popular and nicely written, bear no relation to anything I wrote and counter in any direct way any of the points I made.

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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