Clare GAA discussion thread

Clareman wrote: »

Disappointing that the footballers lost by double scores today, they might be able to stay up if results go their way even if they lose against Fermanagh.

It looks like they could be staying up if they lose against Fermanagh as long as Limerick and Louth don't draw

hurling

legendry performance by tony kelly today shane o'donnell not far behind him , great to see us play so will with an injured connor mcgragh , and couple of lads like john conlon and colm galvin maybe carring knocks but not 100%

jack browne showed us what he can do when he keeps his dicipline , david mac had a huge game again at full back and in fairness to most of the subs that came on all did well ,

dont get the tatics today , we hade a gale force wind behind us in the first half and kept handpassing the ball out of defence , in the seccond half we went long against it which made no sence for example when pat kelly got caught out at the end he pumped the ruselting puck out 70 yards down the field
we need to start getting a bit more consistent in our play

we were poor for most of the league and probably deserve to go down , but we need to take a look at what derrick mcgragh did with waterford this year where he had his side out playing challenge games against kilkenny , tipperary cork and ourselves on a regular basis which probably showed him more about where they were then any oppisition in 1b

the issue with 1b that i have is te limericks offalys wexfords are not putting out full strenght teams either so there is a drop in standerds hopfully we dont stay there too long and hopfully use the 1/4 finals stages onwards next year to our advantage for the cham

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

hurling

legendry performance by tony kelly today shane o'donnell not far behind him , great to see us play so will with an injured connor mcgragh , and couple of lads like john conlon and colm galvin maybe carring knocks but not 100%

jack browne showed us what he can do when he keeps his dicipline , david mac had a huge game again at full back and in fairness to most of the subs that came on all did well ,

dont get the tatics today , we hade a gale force wind behind us in the first half and kept handpassing the ball out of defence , in the seccond half we went long against it which made no sence for example when pat kelly got caught out at the end he pumped the ruselting puck out 70 yards down the field
we need to start getting a bit more consistent in our play

we were poor for most of the league and probably deserve to go down , but we need to take a look at what derrick mcgragh did with waterford this year where he had his side out playing challenge games against kilkenny , tipperary cork and ourselves on a regular basis which probably showed him more about where they were then any oppisition in 1b

the issue with 1b that i have is te limericks offalys wexfords are not putting out full strenght teams either so there is a drop in standerds hopfully we dont stay there too long and hopfully use the 1/4 finals stages onwards next year to our advantage for the cham

Agree 100pc on the tactics it was so frustrating, as you said, we did the exact opposite managers would do with and against the wind. I thought O'Donovan kinda summed it up. He beat JJ Farrell to practically every ball today but still caused 3 points from trying to short pass it out.
If there is to be one big potential positive today, it could be that we finally found a way of getting a quality supply in SOD, something Davy has failed on too many occasions. His link up play with Kelly was superb, it's a pity McGrath or even Podge weren't there too. Kelly is class, especially as he was probably in bed all week sick. Good of the KK supporters to give him an ovation when his body eventually gave in.

That hand pass for the last Kilkenny point is still bothering me

What a sickening way to lose

The_Banker wrote: »

Will any of the players be able to go for a drink now or attend a sisters 21st between now and the Limerick game?

Only if they submitted a socialising request form (2 copies by registered post) and an email before xmas detailing the date, time, occasion, reason they should be allowed go and soft drinks they want to consume, plus calorie details of any finger food to be served.
they also have to send the management a snap chat after showing they are at home when they say they're supposed to be.

Tony Kelly was absolutely class yesterday. If he didn't get injured in those last few minutes, I think ye might have won.

Shane O'Donnell had a fantastic game as well. Before yesterday I never rated him too highly as he never seemed to contribute too much in terms of work rate, even when considering his ability to score goals. But he completely dominated Paul Murphy yesterday. Some great ball was played into him in loads of space. He was either able to score himself then or pass off a nice ball to a team mate for a score. Very impressed with him.

Kelly is pure class he's a joy to watch. I have watched him since he played against Waterford in a minor Munster final id say around 2010 and he has been a sensation since. Saw him in the flesh again this year for UL against ucc in the Fitzgibbon cup and what a performance he put in again that day. Not taking from Shane O Donnell for one moment but Paul Murphy isn't the answer at fullback for kilkenny. I think they will struggle in that position all year and the likes of yourselves or Tipp will definitely exploit that come championship.

I think the main questions the clare public have been asking of 'the lads' have been along the lines 'how can we help you guys get a proper management team in place so you can fulfill your potential'

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/clares-colm-galvin-pursuing-his-american-dream-321813.html
I posted two weeks ago I felt clare scenario was being blown out propionate by some and there was no real evidence bar circumstancesal to say what halloran said was true and imo he's failure to make further statements to back it up, the non backing up of he's allegations of bullying so to speak by other players, louganne and daly and o Connor of this world not saying anything against Davy and galvin speaking highly Davy and moral in the camp would seem suggest Davy halloran who is fine player deemed to be the only one with any major problems in the clare camp

I'm not one for moral victories I despise them truth be told but the one team in Ireland, the only team you can gauge league game form, in a sense they don't want to loose at all is the greatest manager all time and greatest team all time Is cody KK and twice back to back in knowlan park, clare went toe to toe with KK never flinched huge sign teams are united and still believe in Davy and imo absolutely correct to go sweeper possession game v them as this orthodox style man to man won't beat kilkenny as their kings of it

Most league games this year for clare bar the cork game they got around plus twenty on the score board and around eighteen or close to it in each of the last two KK games from play to imo suggest while full back is a problem in clare, scoring is not and against limerick I have no doubt clare with a double sweeper will win as once they get possession they will score

I always judge standards of KK the standard bearers, and Davy record since he became the manager v KK is played four games, won one, lost three all by a point and two of those in knowlan park so while they have bit do beat KK and two losses yes are set back if play KK considering clare beat KK under twenty one two final should negate that to a degree imo I don't think clare will fear limerick at all at all and imo only teams I think beat KK championship are clare now

I can't see tipp beating KK, as KK have the superior mentality over them in too many big games and cork would have a chance but it is seriously diminished by Joyce injury and cahalane injury problems at full back

To go up to KK and show intent and hunger twice back to back weeks to a KK team that normally don't loose at home imo is a huge huge positive.
clare I have no doubt have some issues but certainly not as bad as some make out to be imo and once clare sort them will be a serious serious all Ireland contenders

Davy record is proven in the game , got waterford to the all Ireland final,he Reinvented an old team who if had got a few years earlier imo would won all the Ireland , done well with lit, won senior all Ireland with clare
There's no other better man you could say In a better option to manage them now , daly could do good job but if you compare both Fitz record imo is better

Of course daly is nice and upsets no one but to be fair just cause Davy irated people now is imo no reason to ignore he's a superb coach, very tactical astutely minded

Daly said it in the irish examiner at the start of the year before it all blew off that people were waiting for their time to jump on Davy and want him out if he had league defeats.

I Don't doubt that league division two hurling is a huge setback next year, however it won't affect them this year in the significant difference is those two games v kilkenny showed how good clare can be.

Limerick won't test clare like kilkenny at all at all
Davy term should be reviewed at the end of the year like all managers but at the moment he fully deserves to finish he's term

He get profiled as a total dictator , I doubt this very much.
Kinnerk got on with him fine as coach. Over he's record as coach, very few ex players spoke against him.
People's who jump on he's training methods forget he was the man with the organisation of the miwadi and biscuits in he's own house to clear the air meeting before and also said this week he would allow the lads have a break from a few days training

He does give tough love, but he totally backed the players this week after defeats and said he was proud of them, I think to be fair he always backed he's team,he just understandable he knew clare imo h had a rotten culture of so long in poor standards he demands and expects high standard as he wants clare be the best they can be.
Hes demands of players are nothing he to be fair didn't demand himself of a player

He's hardly the enemy within being made out to be in some circles by clare imo
He's a winner at the end of the day. He is Not everyones cup of tea but if I had a choice him or tj Ryan as manager my county for the game in may, I'd choose Davy every single time as while tj will go with the flow, won't upset anyone, won't question anything from the board etc when push comes to shove, that lack of ruthless conviction comes through in he's management where Davy bold, residential me against the rest helps he's team
Crucially one huge difference is Davy will as the 2013 finals showed will change style of play when needed as he played the orthodox style and sweeper when he had to
Imo I rate Davy as a superb coach, tactical wise very very good.
Galvin said Davy was totally supportive to him and they will still be in touch during the summer
This talk Davy will destroy the team imo is from fans in none majority players said this
Sunday was as close league game get to championship intensity and I saw no signs clare were playing as a team that manager lost the dressing room
If so KK would have ruthlessly demolished them
Last year similar stories about mcguiness and article Dublin paper mcguiness style training suffocation team more or less yet it wasn't the case at all, in players believed in him
Like Davy, mcguiness imo deserves benft doubt then in he had won the all Ireland with like Davy, had huge input building that success
If a manager has proven himself all Ireland most of the time deserves backing
Clare didn't just win the all Ireland by scraping to it, demolished limerick and over two games dominated cork and fully deserved the win
And while a lot had parts to play Davy was the manager that over saw this

If what halloran said was true I be against it totally but judging by galvin support Davy, statements panel, no other voices back halloran and the likes of louganne still backing Davy and daly imo Davy is innocent until proven guilty and team seem to back him totally on the last week events on off the field
I for one would no way rule out clare at all at all

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/clares-colm-galvin-pursuing-his-american-dream-321813.html
I for one would no way rule out clare at all at all

Yes as you say we did go toe-to-toe with Kilkenny, but ultimately we were relegated and only beat Dublin.

We also went toe-to-toe with Cork and Wexford in last year's championship, but we didn't win a match.

And note that in the first Kilkenny league game they had a depleted team and had nothing to play for.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Valid points and I agree relegated is not good but crucially last two games showed huge improvement in clare lessons were being learned
In relation KK fielding poor team ist day, no logic in as they proved ist game in cork so called weak teams no team KK dna programed be walked over

And last week was full strength KK team more or less
Galvin interview today really showed clearly beyond doubt he great relationship Davy hugely awe him like what I told many clare lads are also and again until evidence back up halloran claims come out Davy deserves innocent until proven guilty
Beating Dublin a Dublin team clearly up for the win was good result
Compare to limerick yes while not getting complete performance but in tougher division in six games ye played five game ye played ye still got level performance above limerick produced against teams lower division

Limerick is game definer for clare but I believe they will win and also give a performance that day

Seriously what do you expect colm galvin to say? He's hardly going to lop in a verbal granade and ignite it all again and then go off for the summer, no matter what his state of mind he's going to say all the right things in an interview, I'd look at his actions rather than his words to be honest...

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

But sure with this view in essence why was so completely complementary Davy. Could said leaving for usa etc etc but didn't actually as I'm sure you will find by reading it, said Davy will be communicated him during summer, he said Davy was hugely supportive and be fair said wanted go in last few years but stayed and Davy knew for time consider it and he these thoughts before whole scenario sparked off

Take what you choose make it, but he praised Davy no end, if he'd problem said he leaving etc etc why praise manager

Majority panel back Davy, galvin no problem yet still people say ah what else going say
With level support against Davy even father on board if half panel walked Davy dire trouble so players unlike cork strikes start where Gerald mac was seen as hero by many and rightly so always had huge case fight
If problems that bad players would walked simple as and Davy be under no option but to go even father chairman as support against Davy is huge
Players back Davy
No one yet has shown anyone bar halloran problems within
Collins left over dualism and had be fair go with football over father
Davy was right in giving them ultimatum as cork and rochestown cratole proved sooner later dualism catches up with teams
Galvin said loved preparations for games imo nothing wrong training then

Did it cross your mind the real reason Galvin is going to the states? Club issues along with County issues.
The treatment of O'Halloran was putrid management. It's not the first time this has happened.
How many players have made the choice to balance playing for Clare above the manager?
The reality is there is better man management and tactical management available to Clare that Davy.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair enough you say is true but where is the evidence??

No one else has went against Davy
Galvin said paper always wanted go abroad, he's father coaching he's club he said so what the issue last year and hinted return club under stack when returns

No issues imo
I'm going by galvin interview
There is nothing in it support be fair anything against Davy
Until there is then imo no problem with Davy
Did the panel did they not sign statement saying all was fine
No one else complained
Who is better manager than Davy in clare??
One player said there was poor treatment
Why did not nick o connell back him up in interview
Halloran only lad that spoke so as tomas mulchay said at time if true more would speak out but if not you'd wonder
No one yet has spoken out as players be fair is my point

Talk to the Clonlara lads.. this is not a court. you wont get it in writing.
The Galvin interview pushes all the correct political buttons..but doesn't tell all the story. Read between the unwritten lines about the management changes in Clonlara.
The fact that Davy had issue a letter/statement to justify his actions undermines him. Brian Cody has dealt with similar problems but you never hear about it.
There are U21 management teams that are consistently better over a long period. They Played better intelligent passionate hurling and manage players better. Do some research on how they brought some players around quietly who were in trouble. I'm not going to say it here who and how.

Your point about the players is well made; I agree with you on that. But You don't know who has or hasn't complained.
The dressing room is where the players still in the fold they make their statements. The Mi-wadi meeting is the example of this..note the change in style of play afterwards. The abandonment of the management tactics in the games that followed and the U21 methods were followed after the debacle against Cork.
I think the players are playing for Clare not Davy. There is a tolerance of Davy from what I hear, but that tide can quickly turn. We may win the All-Ireland this year or we might not win a game. Time will tell.
I want the best for Clare as do all Clare people. I don't think we are getting the best.