Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Tarzana2 wrote: »

This is it, plain and simple.

Apparently Gym Monkey and Grease Monkey think assault is part and parcel of a normal work environment. Most people have more self esteem. Maybe they were treated badly when they were young and nobody stood up for them so they resent the fact that the BBC is standing up for Tymon.

Times change and sometimes it needs the ones with outdated attitudes to... shuffle on.

Wibbs wrote: »

It did get a bit ridic, even on this thread, where he has been compared to Jimmy bloody Saville, a kiddie fiddler and defiler of corpses of many decades. Mind you I have oft found your perennially outraged on behalf of others are not too great at measuring degrees of outrage. Nuance comes hard to them. Nature of any mob I suppose.

Jeremy Clarksons fans seem to jump on the misquotes of things Clarkson did and point out how it was media spin (he never said "******", his shoot all strikers comments) and completely taken out of context. And they're 100% right to do so. But for some reason its ok to take things completely out of context when defending him, as you have done here.
No one compared clarkson to saville, therefore the crimes of saville are irrelevant. The comparison is how the bbc protect their top earners and let them get away with bad behaviour. No one has said what clarkson did was as bad as what saville did.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Just because someone has power, does not mean they are systemically abusing that power.

No, of course not - but Clarkson was bullying, berating and assaulting staff over not getting steak and chips, so he was.

Divas don't react like this.

The man went on a 20 minute rant (including weird anti-Irish insults, given his daughter is going out with a guy from Dublin) and then launched a 30 second physical attack on someone over steak and chips. He's a diva. I'm sure when the cameras are rolling and his playing his role he is a great man's man, salt of the earth type. But we've a pretty good insight in to what he's like when the cameras are turned off from the above events.

Clearly the situation is not remotely as simple as that.

That is the situation as reported by all concerned. No one, not even Clarkson has offered any convincing alternative. Its wishful thinking on the part of those desperate to believe Clarkson is the character they see him play on Top Gear. Say it ain't ao Jezza, say it aint so!

I'm not saying Oisin deserved to end up with a swollen lip but be realistic for a second.

You're literally defending that he was given that swollen lip, or to be more exact you're saying you don't care if Tymon ended up assaulted.

More bs. You'll be saying he was visiting morgues with Jimmy Savile next.

No, that would be bizarre. But Saville was another "character" given a huge amount of leeway on the basis of him being a "talent".

Nothing ridiculous about it. He was an embarrassment to them. They are all about appeasing the offended nowadays. Hence why Clarkson was on a warning for mumbling a nursery rhyme. Richard Littlejohn extrapolates on why the BBC would want shot of him here and yes, yes, I know, it's Littlejohn and the DM, but sure at least I am backing up my contentions, with something more than wild and unreasonable speculation.

The self pitying "they out to get me" rambles of the Little Englander types is pretty pathetic. The BBC did everything in their power to keep Clarkson because he is money. But people need to acknowledge this: there is no way, and no how in any world that the BBC could brush this under the rug. Once the "talent" is physically attacking staff and its on the front page of every paper, the BBC *has* to sack him.

Clarkson has lost absolutely nothing - some other channel will come along and pay him millions for his dubious charms, the BBC on the other hand stand to lose a major revenue earner.

Nobody believes that Clarkson should have 'got away' with abusing Oisin in any way whatsoever. I have said he should have been disciplined for his actions but you don't fire someone for a one off scuffle between a producer and a presenter that results in nothing more than one of them nursing a swollen lip, especially when they are working on a high pressured lad's culture type show. That tone is bound to spill over behind the scenes from time to time. It's inevitable.

Be honest, you do believe he should have got away with it. Some minor action like an apology, move Tymon to some other show or sack him entirely to avoid any awkwardness and then get on delivering more and more Top Gear.

I already that he must take responsibility for his actions, as indeed deserved to be disciplined for his actions. The vast majority of TG fans have said as much on the thread in fact, not sure why your are ignoring that.

I'm not ignoring it - its just your definition of "disciplined" is essentially nothing that would in any way inconvenience Clarkson.

I also feel however that Oisin must take responsibility for whatever role he playing ine the argument

Christ almighty - as well as not punishing Clarkson, you want them to punish Tymon too? For some imagined slight or crime? All reports present Tymon as a decent, inoffensive guy who was entirely the victim. Clarkson was the one carrying out the 20 minutes abusive rant, and the physical attack. Tymon is completely blameless.

Oisin has to have said and did something which riled Jeremy, there is no doubt about it. Not that it justifies him being lunged at or verbally abused.

You sure? Be honest. Because you're trying to justify Clarkson by claiming with no evidence whatsoever that Tymon gave as good as he got.

Again, had there been a history of Clarkson having similar confrontations with the crew, fine, I would be the first to endorse his sacking, but there hasn't been and so there is no way he should not still have his job at the BBC.

You don't really get a free pass on your first physical attack on a junior person in the workplace. Its not 1815 anymore. If you're attacking someone, you're out - don't bother waiting to pack your ****, we'll send it after you.

In effect, Clarkson has been sacked for mumbling the eeny meeny miny moe nursery rhyme, as had he not already been on the warning which he ludicrously received for that, he would never have been sacked over this.

No, he was sacked for attacking a member of the crew. He would have been sacked for that purely on that case alone even if none of the previous disciplinary issues had arisen.

It's the BBC's every increasing leaning to the left, with a self conscious nervous eye firmly on being as politically correct as they can possibly be, which is what is ultimately at the heart of this absurd sacking... little else.

Its basic employment law and rights. Nothing lefty about it - you'll find the right tends to be pretty strong on protection of individuals and their rights and enforcement of the law. The absurdity is the Little Englanders who paint Clarkson as the victim of some evil plot, and basically couldn't give a damn about the actual victim.

Wibbs wrote: »

The very second you see "self esteem" being trotted out in such a manner, one can be sure it happily sits within an opinion bordering on the silly. The "maybe they were treated badly" insinuation/projection/passive aggressive stuff is always a charm too. :pac:

Oh I'd be full of the thanks if you actually used an analogy.

In reference to the first part of your response I was referring to these posts:

Bench Press wrote: »

People are only standing up for this drama queen because he is Irish, that is understandable. But Tynan is in the wrong here, he failed to do his job and created a scene. How difficult can it be to organise a bit of grub for a chap after he has a few pints? That was his job and he failed, if he was on a building site, he would have got a slap of a shovel across the back of the head, and called a lot worse. One million people who signed the petition are not wrong, Jezza will be back anyway, bigger and better than ever and this lads career is over on the mainland

Particularly this one

Bench Press wrote: »

I've been called a lot worse here, I was here in London in the mid 90's when the IRA blew the place up, some people really need to grow a pair.

Bench Press wrote: »

it was banter for god sake, incidents like this happen every day on building sites and factories with people shouting at each other and in some cases coming to blows, it is always settled there and then with a handshake, now because of this drama queen, the BBC has lost a top show and one of its biggest stars, the fact he went to hospital with a fat lip shows what sort he is

and this one on relation to Savile

Bench Press wrote: »

Jezza was the star of the show, the main man, he can do what he wants, it was Tynan's job to have his dinner ready, no wonder he lost the head when he was offered a cheese platter, Tynan was getting very well paid and failed to do his job

The analogy was in relation to the way BBC dealt with celebrities who acted outside the normal rules. They allowed Savile's status to place him above the rules, they learned from it and applied the rules to Clarkson. You must have missed the analogy because you sere looking for someone to say that Jezza's as bad as a peado, which nobody has said.

You can thank me in your own time.

It is a shame to see Top Gear end.

I hope Oisin Tymon finds himself out on the kerb without a job as he is clearly unable to do the job he was paid for, how can he not do a simple task such as have warm food ready for the presenters when they returned.

I reckon Oisin thought he was going to get a big pay out from BBC/Jeremy by going to the A and E with his burst lip. He realised he is now a figure of hate and ridicule and decided it was best not to press charges