Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Aidric wrote: »

Ya, except it was Clarkson who reported to BBC management what had happened.

Exactly and had it just been a case of Clarkson straight out lamping Oisin just because he failed to arrange hot food, the crew would have been falling over themselves to report Clarkson before he ever had a chance to. Clarkson also the one who brought the eeny meeny miny moe mumbling to the producers attention, yet there was still that farcically absurd response.

If Clarkson hadn't reported the incident, the whole thing may have just worked itself out given time, but he did report it, and so the hierarchy at the BBC got to do what they were itching to do. This in my opinion is why Clarkson is saying that none of it is Oisin's fault as he knows well that he shouldn't be shouldering the blame for these morons taking advantage of a situation that could and should have been sorted out between the two of them. The only way BBC bosses should have ever reacted this way, is if Clarkson had a history of taking swings at staff, then it would be an understandable response but there is nothing to suggest that he has ever come to blows with a member of the crew before.

Food issues at hotels would have been something that would have been common enough given how often this crew has traveled together over the years. Clarkson, rightly or wrongly, got angry and lashed out for reasons beyond just not having hot food imo. More like the person who's job it was to make sure it that never happened either made a joke of it or treated Clarkson's annoyance as not being of great importance. Be interesting to hear him speak about that night some day, doubt it will be on Piers Morgan's Life Stories anyway, not after Morgan's open letter which he wrote the other day. Fcuking moron.

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

I find the entire thing rather odd tbh. The world wide frenzy over a DailyMail type story about a celebrity outburst/altercation. The turning it into a race issue because someone was called a "lazy Irish cúnt". The prime minister sticking his oar in. People attacking the producer on social media. Reporters camped outside the presenters doors looking for anything to slap on a paper.

I mean Jesus Christ it was a row over a bit of grub. And its only a flippin TV show anyway. Why are people losing their minds over this ?

I love the irony of the most het up person in this thread, NachoBusiness, thanking this post. Yup, even more het up than me.

Joe Doe wrote: »

notes and comments:
...Presenter and broadcaster Dermot O'Leary will no longer host ITV's The X Factor after eight years on the programme.
- He could be a contender along with Evans (both with BBC contracts) and maybe add that very nice (eye candy) lady from the CH5 used car type show

Pleasant chap Dermot is now firm favorite to take over as lead, odds as short as x2.5.

Would like to see that nice lady (Porsche racing driver & used car trader) Rebecca Jackson also, nice. Guy Martin or Evans perhaps but def not Jay Kay or anyone else on the list. Maybe Nige Farage could do the job as may have been separated at birth from Clarkson.

Guess it's lucky they didn't offer Jez a Sesame Street type branded cake for his tae, that would have went flying and added to the tabloid stories.

Sand wrote: »

Clarkson and Tymon, and indeed all the other crew are not equals. Clarkson was a *huge* asset to the BBC, bringing in hundreds of millions of viewers and more in revenue. Tymon and everyone else on that crew were and are relative nobodies. Interchangeable. Clarkson leaves Top Gear and everyone loses their minds. If Tymon had left, no one would even know he was there in the first place.

Just because someone has power, does not mean they are systemically abusing that power.

Clarkson would never have engaged in a 20 minute abusive rant, followed up by a physical assault on an equal or his superior. But he did on someone he had power over, because hes a coward and bully and a diva..

Total and utter rubbish :P

The guy punched Piers Morgan in the mouth when Morgan was in one of the most powerful positions in the British media. Morgan was also in far better shape than pot belly Clarkson at that time and still is. So there goes your ridiculous coward and bully accusations. As for him being a 'diva'? Ha. The guy has shown over the last 30 years or so that he is anything but a diva for heaven sake. Look at how he took something smacking a pie in his face if you ever need proof of that:



Divas don't react like this. A diva would be ranting and raving and blaming everyone around him for letting it happen. No doubt they would have their phone out and be demanding the person was arrested for assaulting them... but he didn't do any of that, did he? No, what he did was take it on the chin (quite literally). So, sorry, but you're diva accusation is as nonsensical as your bully and coward ones were.

...man of the people rubbish lost his marbles over something as minor as steak and chips. Pathetic. Most people would have manned up and just got on with it, but Clarkson was too much of a diva and bully.

As I keep saying: Clarkson and the TG crew have been on hundreds of shoots throughout the world, over many years. Arranging meals for the crew is no doubt something they constantly have to struggle with. Yet, folks like yourself, are of the bizarre opinion that Clarkson came in with a few jars on him, was simply informed by Oisin that the hotel couldn't provide a hot meal for him and he them just snaps at this news and decides to lamp Oisin in the mouth. Naive doesn't touch it. Clearly the situation is not remotely as simple as that. I'm not saying Oisin deserved to end up with a swollen lip but be realistic for a second. Lets discuss the incident in a way that is in keeping with reality not this 'Clarkson is an out of control violent bully' bs, as there is nothing to support the notion that the man is in any way whatsoever of that nature, bar that is, the fact that he gave Piers Morgan a slap in the pus once, which even Morgan himself says that he was fully deserving of.

Clarkson had all the power, and Tymon and indeed all his colleagues would know it and would be afraid to report him. They would be the ones who want to keep it quiet and push it under the rug, because they had a lot more to fear than Clarkson did. I mean, this is just what we've heard about - christ knows how many other times Clarkson went off on one at some junior member of the crew and it was all hushed up? I think Clarkson miscalculated by reporting it - if he hadn't, it probably would have got buried. But he did.

More bs. You'll be saying he was visiting morgues with Jimmy Savile next.

It wouldn't have worked itself out, Clarkson would have just continued bullying his staff. The BBC weren't itching to sack Clarkson, that's ridiculous. They would have been desperate to find someway or somehow to keep him on because he is money, lots of money. Clarkson gave them absolutely no choice - none. There's absolutely no way whatsoever that Clarkson is allowed by the BBC to bully, berate and assault crew members once it goes public.

Nothing ridiculous about it. He was an embarrassment to them. They are all about appeasing the offended nowadays. Hence why Clarkson was on a warning for mumbling a nursery rhyme. Richard Littlejohn extrapolates on why the BBC would want shot of him here and yes, yes, I know, it's Littlejohn and the DM, but sure at least I am backing up my contentions, with something more than wild and unreasonable speculation.

Its frankly beyond belief that anyone thinks its acceptable for someone with Clarkson to abuse their power in the work environment in the way he did. Its 2015, not 1815. Everyone has a right to basic protections from violence in the workplace and to some dignity.

Nobody believes that Clarkson should have 'got away' with abusing Oisin in any way whatsoever. I have said he should have been disciplined for his actions but you don't fire someone for a one off scuffle between a producer and a presenter that results in nothing more than one of them nursing a swollen lip, especially when they are working on a high pressured lad's culture type show. That tone is bound to spill over behind the scenes from time to time. It's inevitable.

I get people are disappointed about Top Gear, but its all entirely 100% Clarkson's fault. Blame him.

I already that he must take responsibility for his actions, as indeed deserved to be disciplined for his actions. The vast majority of TG fans have said as much on the thread in fact, not sure why your are ignoring that. I also feel however that Oisin must take responsibility for whatever role he playing ine the argument and don't reply and tell me that Clarkson has said that none of what happened is his fault, as that is just Clarkson being Clarkson, nice guy to a fault and no doubt he feels guilty for causing him to end up with a split lip, and getting hassle on social media, but Oisin has to have said and did something which riled Jeremy, there is no doubt about it. Not that it justifies him being lunged at or verbally abused.

Again, had there been a history of Clarkson having similar confrontations with the crew, fine, I would be the first to endorse his sacking, but there hasn't been and so there is no way he should not still have his job at the BBC. In effect, Clarkson has been sacked for mumbling the eeny meeny miny moe nursery rhyme, as had he not already been on the warning which he ludicrously received for that, he would never have been sacked over this. It's the BBC's every increasing leaning to the left, with a self conscious nervous eye firmly on being as politically correct as they can possibly be, which is what is ultimately at the heart of this absurd sacking... little else.

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Just because someone has power, does not mean they are systemically abusing that power.



Total and utter rubbish :P

The guy punched Piers Morgan in the mouth when Morgan was in one of the most powerful positions in the British media. Morgan was also in far better shape than pot belly Clarkson at that time and still is. So there goes your ridiculous coward and bully accusations. As for him being a 'diva'? Ha. The guy has shown over the last 30 years or so that he is anything but a diva for heaven sake. Look at how he took something smacking a pie in his face if you ever need proof of that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apneqbz_DqE

Divas don't react like this. A diva would be ranting and raving and blaming everyone around him for letting it happen. No doubt they would have their phone out and be demanding the person was arrested for assaulting them... but he didn't do any of that, did he? No, what he did was take it on the chin (quite literally). So, sorry, but you're diva accusation is as nonsensical as your bully and coward ones were.



As I keep saying: Clarkson and the TG crew have been on hundreds of shoots throughout the world, over many years. Arranging meals for the crew is no doubt something they constantly have to struggle with. Yet, folks like yourself, are of the bizarre opinion that Clarkson came in with a few jars on him, was simply informed by Oisin that the hotel couldn't provide a hot meal for him and he them just snaps at this news and decides to lamp Oisin in the mouth. Naive doesn't touch it. Clearly the situation is not remotely as simple as that. I'm not saying Oisin deserved to end up with a swollen lip but be realistic for a second. Lets discuss the incident in a way that is in keeping with reality not this 'Clarkson is an out of control violent bully' bs, as there is nothing to support the notion that the man is in any way whatsoever of that nature, bar that is, the fact that he gave Piers Morgan a slap in the pus once, which even Morgan himself says that he was fully deserving of.



More bs. You'll be saying he was visiting morgues with Jimmy Savile next.



Nothing ridiculous about it. He was an embarrassment to them. They are all about appeasing the offended nowadays. Hence why Clarkson was on a warning for mumbling a nursery rhyme. Richard Littlejohn extrapolates on why the BBC would want shot of him here and yes, yes, I know, it's Littlejohn and the DM, but sure at least I am backing up my contentions, with something more than wild and unreasonable speculation.



Nobody believes that Clarkson should have 'got away' with abusing Oisin in any way whatsoever. I have said he should have been disciplined for his actions but you don't fire someone for a one off scuffle between a producer and a presenter that results in nothing more than one of them nursing a swollen lip, especially when they are working on a high pressured lad's culture type show. That tone is bound to spill over behind the scenes from time to time. It's inevitable.



I already that he must take responsibility for his actions, as indeed deserved to be disciplined for his actions. The vast majority of TG fans have said as much on the thread in fact, not sure why your are ignoring that. I also feel however that Oisin must take responsibility for whatever role he playing ine the argument and don't reply and tell me that Clarkson has said that none of what happened is his fault, as that is just Clarkson being Clarkson, nice guy to a fault and no doubt he feels guilty for causing him to end up with a split lip, and getting hassle on social media, but Oisin has to have said and did something which riled Jeremy, there is no doubt about it. Not that it justifies him being lunged at or verbally abused.

Again, had there been a history of Clarkson having similar confrontations with the crew, fine, I would be the first to endorse his sacking, but there hasn't been and so there is no way he should not still have his job at the BBC. In effect, Clarkson has been sacked for mumbling the eeny meeny miny moe nursery rhyme, as had he not already been on the warning which he ludicrously received for that, he would never have been sacked over this. It's the BBC's every increasing leaning to the left, with a self conscious nervous eye firmly on being as politically correct as they can possibly be, which is what is ultimately at the heart of this absurd sacking... little else.

That is a fantastic post, the idiots here falling over themselves to condemn Jezza and act all outraged should really digest it

Bench Press wrote: »

what a ridiculous comment

Nowhere near as ridiculous to suggest Carlson wasn't in the wrong and it's acceptable to go about fcuking people out of it for 20 mins and hitting them because he turned up hours late and his dinner was cold!!!