Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

MediaHaul · 26-03-2015 12:53PM

Thanks again Ed E! Legend!

Hibrasil · 26-03-2015 01:26PM

I have just run my phone number through widget and got following:-

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

I then ran my neighbours phone number through widget and got a different result (including addition of "aaa")

{"aaa":"856695","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}.

Anybody understanding result like to clarify what these results mean.

Thanks for your help.

Padraig Mor · 26-03-2015 02:25PM

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"maxDSL":"20M_1M_RH","maxDSLServiceCode":"IPSPRINT","phone":"0xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

No cab given on my result, but (AFAIK) I'm connect to RBK1_E01 (direct to exchange). Anyone know what the 'RH' in the speed prefile means?

yuloni · 26-03-2015 02:48PM

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ED E · 26-03-2015 02:53PM

Hibrasil wrote: »

I have just run my phone number through widget and got following:-

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

I then ran my neighbours phone number through widget and got a different result (including addition of "aaa")

{"aaa":"856695","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}.

Anybody understanding result like to clarify what these results mean.

Thanks for your help.

Ignore the difference, you're both on 15Mb ADSL lines, no NGA(eFibre) tests run.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"maxDSL":"20M_1M_RH","maxDSLServiceCode":"IPSPRINT","phone":"0xx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

No cab given on my result, but (AFAIK) I'm connect to RBK1_E01 (direct to exchange). Anyone know what the 'RH' in the speed prefile means?

As per Yuloni above. Thats ADSL only, line hasnt been VDSL rated yet(or result is yet to be added by eircom retail).

dbit · 26-03-2015 02:58PM

Sorry ED E if i may whats this service then ? "maxDSLServiceCode":"IPRAPID"

yuloni · 26-03-2015 03:03PM

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ED E · 26-03-2015 03:07PM

dbit wrote: »

Sorry ED E if i may whats this service then ? "maxDSLServiceCode":"IPRAPID"

Its the wholesale product code, if you look up the technical handbook theyre in there. Denotes the highest package that can be sold on the line( up to 8, up to 12, up to 24).

bk · 26-03-2015 03:27PM

I'm assuming that if you don't see something like "ccb":"E01","eee":"CEL" at the start of your results and are in an area that already has VDSL cabs enabled, that it is a indicator that your are direct feed to an exchange that doesn't have eVDSL enabled yet?

mailsanchu · 26-03-2015 03:32PM

bk wrote: »

I'm assuming that if you don't see something like "ccb":"E01","eee":"CEL" at the start of your results and are in an area that already has VDSL cabs enabled, that it is a indicator that your are direct feed to an exchange that doesn't have eVDSL enabled yet?

I am assuming the same. Not 100% sure

ED E · 26-03-2015 03:39PM

bk wrote: »

I'm assuming that if you don't see something like "ccb":"E01","eee":"CEL" at the start of your results and are in an area that already has VDSL cabs enabled, that it is a indicator that your are direct feed to an exchange that doesn't have eVDSL enabled yet?

The lack of them indicates your line hasnt been prequallified for VDSL yet. Could be cabs, could be exchange, but indicates the equipment probably isnt in place or in place for long.

If you're non viable I assume you get the CCP(cross connect point, cab) details but a zero or NA result, but they could also return a shorter string. Need an example to know.

bk · 26-03-2015 03:45PM

ED E wrote: »

If you're non viable I assume you get the CCP(cross connect point, cab) details but a zero or NA result, but they could also return a shorter string. Need an example to know.

Here is an example of my sisters house. The area has VDSL cabs enabled for at least 6 months now:

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"12M_672K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xxx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

Cheers

guil · 26-03-2015 03:47PM

{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false}

Anyone any ideas? I'm with vodafone and the line check for max speed fails on the eircom website as well. It used to work before vodafone removed the voice from the line.

mailsanchu · 26-03-2015 03:50PM

guil wrote: »

{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false}

Anyone any ideas? I'm with vodafone and the line check for max speed fails on the eircom website as well. It used to work before vodafone removed the voice from the line.

"isRedCustomer":true

degsie · 26-03-2015 03:52PM

guil wrote: »

{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false}

Just guessing but, you're a complete communist donut?

guil · 26-03-2015 03:54PM

degsie wrote: »

Just guessing but, you're a complete communist donut?

Haha brilliant

bk · 26-03-2015 03:54PM

guil wrote: »

Anyone any ideas? I'm with vodafone and the line check for max speed fails on the eircom website as well. It used to work before vodafone removed the voice from the line.

Are you on VDSL or ADSL?

The "isRedCustomer":true is interesting.

It either indicates you are on ADSL LLU or naked VDSL.

ED E · 26-03-2015 03:54PM

bk wrote: »

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"12M_672K_RH","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"xxx-xxxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

Have you confirmed she isnt DF though or that that particular exchange has VDSL racks comissioned? (try a number beside the exchange, if E01 is returned then they're present)

ED E · 26-03-2015 03:56PM

guil wrote: »

{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false}

Anyone any ideas? I'm with vodafone and the line check for max speed fails on the eircom website as well. It used to work before vodafone removed the voice from the line.

Are you checking your own voice number? Need to use the assigned circuit number now, it starts with an 8.

yuloni · 26-03-2015 04:01PM

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guil · 26-03-2015 04:02PM

ED E wrote: »

Are you checking your own voice number? Need to use the assigned circuit number now, it starts with an 8.

Yeah I was using 045-xxxxxx. I presumed the red reference had something to do with vodafone. I'm ADSL2+. There is fibre cabs but nothing for DF yet. I'm DF. How do I find the circuit number?

guil · 26-03-2015 04:04PM

yuloni wrote: »

"isRedCustomer" doesn't mean you've joined Vodafone!! I have quite a few accounts with VF and none of the lines show true here... infact you're the first result where I saw "isRedCustomer":true

By removing the voice, I assume you mean you're on the Vodafone Simply Broadband package where they attempt to remove the dial tone and block all calls out. I have a few of these accounts but they all return results. I have noticed in the past that Vodafone sometimes change the actual line number on these accounts to a different one than that showing on the bill!

I saw your posts about the number changing, I must connect a phone and see what happens.

ED E · 26-03-2015 04:05PM

guil wrote: »

Yeah I was using 045-xxxxxx. I presumed the red reference had something to do with vodafone. I'm ADSL2+. There is fibre cabs but nothing for DF yet. I'm DF. How do I find the circuit number?

Connect a handset and call 199000 or 1777 and the exchange should still be able to read it out to ya.

yuloni · 26-03-2015 04:07PM

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guil · 26-03-2015 04:13PM

Done it again using my mothers phone number. She is on the same simply broadband but is connected to a fibre cab, she lives less than a mile from me.

{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"xxx-xxxxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false}

yuloni · 26-03-2015 04:15PM

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ED E · 26-03-2015 04:35PM

yuloni wrote: »

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This probably because phone numbers are just "labels" on lines. The lines have their own IDs and the prequal is for the actual line, not the number attached to it(numbers get re-assigned just like IP addresses).

If you have a carrier its line ID XXXXXXXXX but services XXX-XXXXX, XXX-XXXXX, XXX-XXXXX.... and also cant support DSL due to the multiplexers down the line. The line ID itself probably gets a zero prequal.

With ISDN you'll often have a hunt group, so the number you dial may not be the actual circuit number, and doesnt directly map to the line. If you get right number it should prequal though(even with ISDN kit on the end).

bk · 26-03-2015 06:42PM

ED E wrote: »

Have you confirmed she isnt DF though or that that particular exchange has VDSL racks comissioned? (try a number beside the exchange, if E01 is returned then they're present)

It is the Blarney Exchange, which isn't eVDSL enabled yet. The Eircom wholesale map says it will be enabled, but isn't on my list that I published early, so it might be a while.

Businesses very close to the exchange (couple of meters) return the following:

{"xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":true,"maxNGB":"20M_768K_RH",
"maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","phone":"XXXXXX","validationType":"phone","completed":true,
"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

Business connected to one of the enabled cabs in the area give:

{"aaa":"1551333","ccb":"008","eee":"BAI","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":true,"xrc":true,"inga":true,
"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"90M_20M_R","maxNGB":"15M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"80M_20M_FR",
"maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS",
"phone":"XXXXXXXX","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

Annoyingly my sister has two live VDSL cabs at either end of the road, one 600 meters away, the other 1.1km away and unless the telephone line goes across fields (rare I believe for Eircom) then I believe the line passes the VDSL cab at 1.1km and is direct feed from the exchange at over 2km away!

It seems to me she is one of these people who would benefit from network reconfiguration, connecting her to the VDSL cabs at 600m or 1.1km away.

According to the NBP she is in an area that will be covered by the NBP. But frustrating to be so close to two cabs, that could give her 70/20 (the 600m one) or 25/7 (the 1.1km one) today if she was connected to them!

Next time I'm out at her house, I most try following the phone cable, to see what route it takes.

yuloni · 26-03-2015 06:48PM

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bk · 26-03-2015 06:56PM

yuloni wrote: »

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Some interesting info I just dug up about this from the internet:

• All Current Generation Products require a PSTN line
• In NGA we will have POTS-Based and Standalone Services
• POTS-Based inventory managed by Telephone Number
• Standalone products available for first time – complex processes
• A CRN (Customer Reference Number) is being used instead –
the format will be Std and Tel Number i.e. 88XX-1234567
» 8881 = Standalone FTTC
» 8882 = Standalone FTTH
» 8883 = Standalone ADSL

Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

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