Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Madam · 26-03-2015 01:47PM

Jesus!!! There are sure are some loony tunes on here.

CiDeRmAn · 26-03-2015 01:50PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Wow. I want to thank you for a well thought out, rational and sensible post. You have summed up the whole incident in a manner that the press hasn't managed and certainly no one here has, including me.
Its not often one sees rational sense being talked on AH, usually this is more the reserve for fervered teenage rantings and false bravado by loons and keyboards warriors, but mostly trolls.
If you wrote articles for a paper, I'd be a subscriber. Thanks again, you have restored a little faith in humanity in me.

Thanks.
Ultimately the press and other media seek to sell ad space based on people who read it.
Few people, it seems, are going to buy the paper or watch the news that doesn't have a way to hold up a mirror to reality and only reflect your own preset ideals and model of the world.
Those that want to see Jeremy strung up from a yard arm will read that press.
Those that think he is unfairly treated for being individual, creative and just being a bloke will watch this tv channel.
And the facts of it get lost amongst opinions and assumptions, where class wars and chips on shoulders take prominence.
But, having been on both sides of investigations in the workplace where staff, including myself, have been injured or accused of causing or contributing to the risk of injury, there is a process to take place.
It's a serious business, and don't think that any of the parties involved weren't taking the best advice from their representatives, union, legal, managerial etc.
I think all parties conducted themselves well through it, including the producer, the presenters and the employers.
The dignity shown by all parties, including the language used presents respect and I think the BBC really were left with little choice but to do what they did, any employer would be the same.
I know this will not be the last time we will see Jeremy presenting entertaining television.
I believe his body of work and the hours of pleasure it has given a fair cross-section of society speaks yards to his appeal and undermines somewhat the class war that brews around him.

I am a liberal myself but do think that the blatant demonising of him over the past number of weeks was both uncalled for and irrelevant.
I am pretty sure that a camera crew focused on my every word, in a setting that demanded I be funny and entertaining, would have detected any number of examples of inappropriate humour.
There may be an argument to make about people in the public eye being held to a higher standard but that might simply have the net effect of draining the life out of the unpredictable nature of people who, after all, are most entertaining doing things we could never do.
That's not the excuse the most inappropriate things he has said over the years, but just to ask for some perspective from people and realise that, in the main, he has been consistently funny.
That's not what got him fired, hitting a colleague got him fired, and I think he accepts that.

jmayo · 26-03-2015 02:03PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The guy is receiving death threats on Twitter now. Some people are pretty disgusting.

I feel sorry for Tymon. He worked on the show for 10 years and clearly loved it and thought very highly of Clarkson. And now because of that ape's behavior he's not only out of a job but also a figure of hate.

If Clarkson had any class he'd make a statement and tell fans not to blame it on the producer.

The thing is you have morons, and that is what I call them, who are on the internet posting how clarkson is a man's man, telling it how it is, and like a true man he shoudl have gotten his steak.
Sure in a man's man world Tymon should have just sucked it up, not made any fuss, not gone to a doctor and realise he was lesser than the great alpha male clarkson.

Except to some of us a man's man (a real man) isn't a prima dona who demands others wait on him, isn't someone who resorts to bullying a colleague (more especially someone who has much less power) and who doesn't hit that same person because they haven't got their way.

Another telling measure of how much a twat clarkson really is, and how he is far from being a real man is the fact he hasn't once had the decency to come out and publicly tell people to stop harassing and threatening Oisin Tymon.

CruelCoin wrote: »

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Either you support free speech or you do not.

For the record, offensive or not, i support the cartoonists, as they have the right to their opinion, regardless of what i think of it. Likewise, Clarckson should have the right to his.

clarkson has a right to his opinions, he has a right to voice them and we all know he is not backward in doing so.
Even better for him he is handsomely paid for voicing them.

BUT, he doesn't have the right to bully a work colleague especially one who has less power than himself, and he doesn't have the right to assault (and hittign someone is assault) a work colleague.

NachoBusiness · 26-03-2015 02:08PM

The amount of waffle being posted is off the charts.

Clarkson hates the working man? 99% of the people he lambasts are rich private school educated elitists for God sake. You are all just trying to convince yourselves now that he is the person you so bloody wish he was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcVxG-czvu0

Agricola · 26-03-2015 02:11PM

Not a like for like example obviously, but I was just thinking about Eric Cantona kung foo kicking that supporter or Roy Keane almost decapitating Haaland. In both cases there were media storms, calls for them to be banned/sacked, but in both cases heavy fines and long suspensions were the order of the day. They returned, the world went on, no one died. Although that Crystal Palance fan and Haaland were a lot closer to death then Oisin Tymon!

Slap a big fine on the twát and suspend the show for a good long spell.

jmayo · 26-03-2015 02:33PM

Agricola wrote: »

Not a like for like example obviously, but I was just thinking about Eric Cantona kung foo kicking that supporter or Roy Keane almost decapitating Haaland. In both cases there were media storms, calls for them to be banned/sacked, but in both cases heavy fines and long suspensions were the order of the day. They returned, the world went on, no one died. Although that Crystal Palance fan and Haaland were a lot closer to death then Oisin Tymon!

Slap a big fine on the twát and suspend the show for a good long spell.

You see both those incidents happened in sport, English soccer to be precise.
Should what passes for semi exceptable bahaviour in soccer now be adopted by other institutions, especially institutions owned and funded by the taxpayers ?

Should that type of thinking be adopted by the organisation you work for or study with ?

IMHO using what passes for a code of bahaviour within soccer definitely should not be someone the rest of the world should aspire to.

dr.fuzzenstein · 26-03-2015 02:38PM

Especially the spitting.

tipptom · 26-03-2015 03:00PM

Madam wrote: »

Jesus!!! There are sure are some loony tunes on here.

Have you met Bench Press yet and his opinions on Irish muck savages?

jimgoose · 26-03-2015 03:01PM

jmayo wrote: »

You see both those incidents happened in sport, English soccer to be precise...

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Engsocc!

Mint Aero · 26-03-2015 03:20PM

Fair well Top Gear. I will no longer be watching.

God bless you Mr. Jeremy Clarkson. Can't wait to see what adventures You, May and the Hamster get up to with future projects on less retarded tv stations.

Ps. The youtube link is for Clarkyboy, not Top Gear.

26-03-2015 03:27PM

It's sort of disappointing that he couldn't just apologise to Tymon publicly, I'd have a better opinion of him if he did. More than anything that's what shows that Clarkson is made of, instead of doing the right thing he did the cowardly thing and said nothing, as the guy he punched and berated was threatened and harassed. The mark of a bully who can't admit when he's wrong.

That's not a 'real man', far from it. A real man knows when to apologise and when he's stepped over the line, and takes responsibility for his actions.

Renegade Mechanic · 26-03-2015 03:29PM

Candie wrote: »

It's sort of disappointing that he couldn't just apologise to Tymon publicly, I'd have a better opinion of him if he did. More than anything that's what shows that Clarkson is made of, instead of doing the right thing he did the cowardly thing and said nothing, as the guy he punched and berated was threatened and harassed. The mark of a bully who can't admit when he's wrong.

That's not a 'real man', far from it. A real man knows when to apologise and when he's stepped over the line, and takes responsibility for his actions.

It's similar to a car accident. Both sides are "lawyered up" and both sides are advised to remain silent and avoid admitting anything at all costs.

26-03-2015 03:34PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It's similar to a car accident. Both sides are "lawyered up" and both sides are advised to remain silent and avoid admitting anything at all costs.

And thats the correct way to do it, but it's not the right way.

Clarkson hit the guy, if he was any kind of a decent man he would apologise for that and ask the trolls to lay off his victim.

But, he didn't.

Mr.Micro · 26-03-2015 03:35PM

Candie wrote: »

It's sort of disappointing that he couldn't just apologise to Tymon publicly, I'd have a better opinion of him if he did. More than anything that's what shows that Clarkson is made of, instead of doing the right thing he did the cowardly thing and said nothing, as the guy he punched and berated was threatened and harassed. The mark of a bully who can't admit when he's wrong.

That's not a 'real man', far from it. A real man knows when to apologise and when he's stepped over the line, and takes responsibility for his actions.

What could one expect from the boorish lout. All mouth and no class. Manners would be the last thing on Clarkson's small mind. Good riddance. The BBC has grown a pair.

Renegade Mechanic · 26-03-2015 03:39PM

Candie wrote: »

And thats the correct way to do it, but it's not the right way.

Clarkson hit the guy, if he was any kind of a decent man he would apologise for that and ask the trolls to lay off his victim.

But, he didn't.

He will in time. If he can make up with someone like Piers Morgan, he can do it with anyone.
But as it stands, it's gone too far in, admitting anything will leave him wide open, legally, to be absolutely cleaned out, financially. Nobody would do that to themselves. He'll have to wait untill the case closes when he'll be able to do so, privately, without losing everything.

Eutow · 26-03-2015 03:41PM

Candie wrote: »

And thats the correct way to do it, but it's not the right way.

Clarkson hit the guy, if he was any kind of a decent man he would apologise for that and ask the trolls to lay off his victim.

But, he didn't.

He probably should do that, but the idiots that are abusing Tymon on Facebook and the like are too stupid to listen and would continue to do it anyway. They would convince themselves that Clarkson was only saying it to save face and didn't really mean it.

26-03-2015 03:43PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

He will in time. If he can make up with someone like Piers Morgan, he can do it with anyone.
But as it stands, it's gone too far in, admitting anything will leave him wide open, legally, to be absolutely cleaned out, financially. Nobody would do that to themselves. He'll have to wait untill the case closes when he'll be able to do so, privately, without losing everything.

If he was a decent man he'd ask his 'fans' to lay off Tymon. That's not admitting anything. He just hasn't had the human decency to to that much.

Renegade Mechanic · 26-03-2015 03:53PM

Candie wrote: »

If he was a decent man he'd ask his 'fans' to lay off Tymon. That's not admitting anything. He just hasn't had the human decency to to that much.

Nothing about lawsuits is human or decent. They're both acting with their best interests in mind. They have to.

Penn · 26-03-2015 03:55PM

Candie wrote: »

It's sort of disappointing that he couldn't just apologise to Tymon publicly, I'd have a better opinion of him if he did. More than anything that's what shows that Clarkson is made of, instead of doing the right thing he did the cowardly thing and said nothing, as the guy he punched and berated was threatened and harassed. The mark of a bully who can't admit when he's wrong.

That's not a 'real man', far from it. A real man knows when to apologise and when he's stepped over the line, and takes responsibility for his actions.

I thought he did try apologising to him the next day. Not publicly, but privately.

Some public apologies by celebrities are bullsh*t anyway. They're practically saying sorry for getting caught as opposed to doing something wrong. If Clarkson tried apologising to the guy directly, I'd say fair play.

Should still have been sacked for punching the guy in the first place, but should have apologised directly to the guy.

The lazy rat · 26-03-2015 04:29PM

I'd say an agreement was reached behind closed doors to see Clarkson gone for a year maybe two. The outcry will see him back then. The bbc did only say they dropped him. He'll be back.

Thargor · 26-03-2015 04:33PM

The lazy rat wrote: »

I'd say an agreement was reached behind closed doors to see Clarkson gone for a year maybe two. The outcry will see him back then. The bbc did only say they dropped him. He'll be back.

Id be tempted to agree if not for the directors statement, he said assaulting a colleague is completely unacceptable and the end of the road, if they bring him back in a year will the director then have to say that it is acceptable all of a sudden?

Penn · 26-03-2015 04:35PM

The lazy rat wrote: »

I'd say an agreement was reached behind closed doors to see Clarkson gone for a year maybe two. The outcry will see him back then. The bbc did only say they dropped him. He'll be back.

Outcry over Clarkson punching someone who worked on his show, or outcry because Top Gear isn't on telly?

super_furry · 26-03-2015 04:50PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Nobody reads poor writing, or watchs poor content out of choice.

Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, White Chicks, Big Momma's House........

super_furry · 26-03-2015 04:53PM

Agricola wrote: »

Not a like for like example obviously, but I was just thinking about Eric Cantona kung foo kicking that supporter or Roy Keane almost decapitating Haaland. In both cases there were media storms, calls for them to be banned/sacked, but in both cases heavy fines and long suspensions were the order of the day. They returned, the world went on, no one died. Although that Crystal Palance fan and Haaland were a lot closer to death then Oisin Tymon!

Slap a big fine on the twát and suspend the show for a good long spell.

Yes but Manchester United are a private company. The BBC are an entirely publicly funded organisation who hold themselves and are held to higher standards. If Top Gear had been on Sky or maybe even ITV a big fine and a suspension would indeed be more likely but, especially after the Jimmy Saville controversy, the BBC has to be squeaky clean and be seen to be squeaky clean.

Agricola · 26-03-2015 04:55PM

jmayo wrote: »

Should what passes for semi exceptable bahaviour in soccer now be adopted by other institutions, especially institutions owned and funded by the taxpayers ?

No, but I think the fact that the BBC is funded by taxpayers is a huge part of this alright. Same with the Jonathan Ross/Brand radio debacle. There would probably be a different outcome had this been on an ad funded channel. Shouldn't really be the case of course, abusive behaviour towards a colleague is the same anywhere, but there you go.

jmayo wrote: »

IMHO using what passes for a code of bahaviour within soccer definitely should not be someone the rest of the world should aspire to.

I agree, but you could say that Top Gear and big profit TV shows in general are closer to the Premier league than the rest of us in the real world. Clarkson is a "talent", paid a huge fee by his employers, just like a footballer would be. In a sporting context, and not just in soccer, every effort would be made to keep him doing what hes doing.
I just think it's a bit of a pity for a show with a 300 million + viewership all over the world to be canned, because of something that could be resolved other ways. But I do accept, Clarkson has hammered so many nails into his own coffin over the years, that is to be expected. He has a lot of detractors.

CiDeRmAn · 26-03-2015 05:16PM

Its been said already.
The show will be rebooted if the rest of the cast don't come back, might take a year out but it'll come back.
There'll be enough interesting and awesome content to generate viewing figures and off it'll go.
Foreign markets won't care who presents and the current cast will soon become those guys who used to present Top Gear, and generate nostalgia and plenty of reruns on Dave.
Plenty of stars in the British firmament to host the show and make no mistake.

Mr.Micro · 26-03-2015 06:05PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Its been said already.
The show will be rebooted if the rest of the cast don't come back, might take a year out but it'll come back.
There'll be enough interesting and awesome content to generate viewing figures and off it'll go.
Foreign markets won't care who presents and the current cast will soon become those guys who used to present Top Gear, and generate nostalgia and plenty of reruns on Dave.
Plenty of stars in the British firmament to host the show and make no mistake.

Agree, it is the cars that people want to see. There is plenty of talent out there, and not the bloated ego and arrogance of thug and bigot.

mzungu · 26-03-2015 06:10PM

Candie wrote: »

It's sort of disappointing that he couldn't just apologise to Tymon publicly, I'd have a better opinion of him if he did. More than anything that's what shows that Clarkson is made of, instead of doing the right thing he did the cowardly thing and said nothing, as the guy he punched and berated was threatened and harassed. The mark of a bully who can't admit when he's wrong.

That's not a 'real man', far from it. A real man knows when to apologise and when he's stepped over the line, and takes responsibility for his actions.

Agreed, real men also cook their own steaks and don't pull a diva like tantrum when others don't do it for them.

Optimalprimerib · 26-03-2015 06:15PM

Has bench press been arrested? He has been very quiet the last while.

El_Duderino 09 · 26-03-2015 06:22PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It's similar to a car accident. Both sides are "lawyered up" and both sides are advised to remain silent and avoid admitting anything at all costs.

I agree. While I'm not taking Clarkson's side overall, I doubt he has much choice in how to handle the situation at this point. Can't imagine anyone's lawyer saying 'well the simplest way to solve this situation is to apologise'.

Funny how you couldn't understand the same point when it came to Tymon going to get his lip assessed by a professional...

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