How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

Nodin · 19-03-2015 09:26PM

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

Why/how exactly?

Nodin · 19-03-2015 09:27PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

Good gods, that's some genuine gibberish right there.

Sad though, I thought Ian McKellen was doing well for himself. Now I know hes just sad and wrong.

Shrap · 19-03-2015 09:28PM

lavdad wrote: »

I already have but whatever I say will be dismissed because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative. Do you think anyone who votes 'no' is basically evil? Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post-modern hearts?

In "older times", homosexuality was considered quite the done thing actually. The Christian religion seems to have inspired bigotry and senseless hatred towards it alright, but luckily, society seems to be growing up a bit and thinking things out a bit better without just accepting "the word of god" in a sheep-like fashion. You can blame "liberals" all you like. I stand by my first comment to you that in this day and age, it is you who are considered the extremist.

I feel quite sorry for you that you haven't managed to break out of the strictures that clearly taught you to think in a way that flies in the face of nature. Are you religious, or brought up to a religion? Just as a matter of interest...

Ave Sodalis · 19-03-2015 09:31PM

lavdad wrote: »

WOW. Just because I hold an opinion overwhelmingly dissident from the majority, you are able to completely misrepresent what I say, framing my words to mean the opposite to what I intended?

It's not natural!! Oh wait, that's a poor argument. Back peddle! Damn it, that's not working. Get defensive and act offended!!

K4t · 19-03-2015 09:31PM

lavdad wrote: »

WOW. Just because I hold an opinion overwhelmingly dissident from the majority, you are able to completely misrepresent what I say, framing my words to mean the opposite to what I intended?

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based.

Yeah sorry, dunno how I managed to make that mistake. I can't deal with these wackjobs tonight. I'm out!

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 09:37PM

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

lol...
How does the state encourage it? What are they getting out of it, is it beneficial to a state to have a larger share of its population self identifying as gay or something? Tolerating and encouraging are different things.

Kiwi in IE · 19-03-2015 09:39PM

lavdad wrote: »

Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from

Interestingly the only thing you have posted on this topic that makes any sense was intended to be facetious.

B_Wayne · 19-03-2015 09:41PM

lavdad wrote: »

I already have but whatever I say will be dismissed because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative. Do you think anyone who votes 'no' is basically evil? Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post-modern hearts?

Racism was largely accepted a century ago. Former and even the present generation can be absurdly bigoted.

Shrap · 19-03-2015 09:41PM

K4t wrote: »

Yeah sorry, dunno how I managed to make that mistake. I can't deal with these wackjobs tonight. I'm out!

Yeah, I'm actually out. It's one thing when a poster comes on here and attempts to say that they're grand with "te gheys", but it's the children, see? and they get ripped into. Fair enough. It's another thing when someone is sounding like they were brought up to "a belief" like the Waco crowd or something.

This guy....well, there's some very confused thinking going on with him, but I have this horrible feeling that he's being genuine. Messed up, but genuine. And genuinely messed up. Sorry dude (lavdad, was it? funny name...), I hope for your sake that you can broaden your mind a good bit, so you aren't so full of damaging thoughts, but I'm done discussing this with you. Feel like I'm kicking a puppy tbh.

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 09:44PM

lavdad wrote: »

I already have but whatever I say will be dismissed because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative. Do you think anyone who votes 'no' is basically evil? Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post-modern hearts?

I whole heartedly think that, yes! You sound like a person who's pushing for criminalisation of homosexuals to be reinstated , to fit your 'republican narrative'. So what did you think of the racial segregations that existed not long ago? Was it okay that black people were universally shunned? Was the segregation in place just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post modern hearts? Was that natural and fair? Is being black unnatural just because its different?

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 09:49PM

lavdad wrote: »

WOW. Just because I hold an opinion overwhelmingly dissident from the majority, you are able to completely misrepresent what I say, framing my words to mean the opposite to what I intended?

its fine, we know exactly what you have intended to say

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 09:56PM

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 09:58PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

You don't think the anger of the yes side in response to the clear bigotry and hatred towards gays is anyway justified ?
When you're 'arguing' (if you could even call it that) with people live lavdad whose only argument is that we are unnatural obscene beings , it can be beyond frustrating.

And by the way, this entire referendum began because of 'bullying' of gay people. If gay people weren't bullied in the first place, and a law wasn't put in place to stop them marrying, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place...

Ave Sodalis · 19-03-2015 10:00PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

I've tried but I'm really struggling to understand this. Have you read the posts by lavdad above? Does the nastiness and untruth that the No side spread not have any baring or is it just the Yes side? Why can the No side go crazy with whatever argument springs to mind and that's grand?

WoolyJumper · 19-03-2015 10:00PM

common in our current culture, is leading to the lack of well being and dysfunction of individuals. The state supporting gay marriage is a facet of this.[/QUOTE]

If this was the case...

lavdad wrote: »

Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post-modern hearts?

These kind of contradict each other no? Surely no gay people would have existed in "older times" if homosexuality needed to be encouraged.

As for your comments about gay people being dysfunctional, quiet disgusting actually and it is completely incorrect. I hope there are no young gay/questioning people lurking around here trying to come to terms with their sexuality. That is a difficult enough process without listening to that kind of crap.

Edit: the first half of my post is missing...whatever i'm tired

BoatMad · 19-03-2015 10:02PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

intelligent decision , you agree with the premise, but you will vote against it to piss off somebody else.... Only in Ireland

we really shouldn't have democracy here

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 10:02PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

You don't think the anger of the yes side in response to the clear bigotry and hatred towards gays is anyway justified ?
When you're 'arguing' (if you could even call it that) with people live lavdad whose only argument is that we are unnatural obscene beings , it can be beyond frustrating.

I'm referring to some media I have listened to on the radio. I'm sure there are loads of muppets posting vile stuff on this and other forums for both sides and my advise would be not to sink to their level.

Ave Sodalis · 19-03-2015 10:03PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I'm referring to some media I have listened to on the radio. I'm sure there are loads of muppets posting vile stuff on this and other forums for both sides and my advise would be not to sink to their level.

But to change your vote completely? I mean, whatever about not voting at all but you think what the no side is coming out with is more justified than the yes side?

BoatMad · 19-03-2015 10:04PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I'm referring to some media I have listened to on the radio. I'm sure there are loads of muppets posting vile stuff on this and other forums for both sides and my advise would be not to sink to their level.

perhaps if you evaluated the decision in the context of what you understand and feel is right, you might then ignore zealots on both side.

Rather then tilting windmills at media or whatever

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 10:05PM

sup_dude wrote: »

I've tried but I'm really struggling to understand this. Have you read the posts by lavdad above? Does the nastiness and untruth that the No side spread not have any baring or is it just the Yes side? Why can the No side go crazy with whatever argument springs to mind and that's grand?

No I have not, I try not to read obscene material.

It was just my 2 cents
I believe the referendum will be defeated anyway

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 10:06PM

BoatMad wrote: »

intelligent decision , you agree with the premise, but you will vote against it to piss off somebody else.... Only in Ireland

we really shouldn't have democracy here

Never said I agree with the premise
To be honest it doesn't bother me either way

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 10:06PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

And lavdad literally called homosexuals obscene? Should we respond with kind words to such a cruel statement? How in the name of all that is good and holy are the yes side the bullies here.

BoatMad · 19-03-2015 10:07PM

c montgomery wrote: »

No I have not, I try not to read obscene material.

It was just my 2 cents
I believe the referendum will be defeated anyway

`i think it would be a tragedy if this referendum fails to pass, it would show that bigotry and mis truths can overcome decency.

after that we should have a referendum banning decisions by referendum, the whole experience of using it as a method of law making has been disastrous

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 10:07PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

And lavdad literally called homosexuals obscene? Should we respond with kind words to such a cruel statement? How in the name of all that is good and holy are the yes side the bullies here.

Ignore him/them

marienbad · 19-03-2015 10:08PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

So it was ok for the gays to be shouted down and bullied, made fun of , made illegal ,denounced from the pulpit , virtually since the foundation of the state by the very people you now say are being bullied !

Spare me - vote on the issue or fcuk off , it is getting ridiculous at this stage that people knowing what is right have to be pleaded with to do what is right by their fellow citizens .

The Iona crowd and their American money have shown the true face of bullying along with their fellow travellers Opus Dei and the RCC Hierarchy . I doubt they need you to stick up for them.

Do the right thing for yourself , for your friends, for your children and grandchildren .

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 10:08PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I'm referring to some media I have listened to on the radio. I'm sure there are loads of muppets posting vile stuff on this and other forums for both sides and my advise would be not to sink to their level.

So only the no side can post vile disgusting things? Their vile disgustingness hasn't put you off siding with them? They get your vote because some of our side stooped to the same level as them? That makes sense

Kiwi in IE · 19-03-2015 10:10PM

c montgomery wrote: »

I was going to vote yes however now I'm voting no, mainly because of the way the yes side seems to portray anyone with an opinion different to their own as homophobic or some sort of neanderthal.

I couldn't care less if gays got married, but I do care about people being shouted down and bullied because of their opinion.

The no side were the best weapon of the yes campaign due to their weak argument however the yes side in their treatment of the no side have lost my vote.

Is it only me who doesn't believe a word of that?

c montgomery were you really going to vote yes? Really, really truly, swear on the bible and all that bollocks? Somehow I think not!

c montgomery · 19-03-2015 10:10PM

marienbad wrote: »

Spare me - vote on the issue or fcuk off .

Hmmmm, point proven !!

Tommybojangles · 19-03-2015 10:11PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's funny, you never seem to see no voters swayed to the yes side.

Wass just about tho post this, beat me to it

bb1234567 · 19-03-2015 10:12PM

c montgomery wrote: »

No I have not, I try not to read obscene material.

It was just my 2 cents
I believe the referendum will be defeated anyway

No thanks to yourself. Cheers for the support. Im sure if you ever have any gay children and they can't get married they'll be very proud of their mother/father who voted not to allow them to marry out of spite.

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