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  • #3692
    Big Nelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭Big Nelly


    SoapFan27 wrote: »
    Hi, I got a heat design Vitae 6KW fitted 2 weeks ago. Happy so far, have lit about 7 fires. I was worried 6KW might be too high for a 4m x 4m room but it's not, working out great, open the door after it's been on for a couple of hours and let the heat move around the hall etc.

    Will report back with any issues. Here is an image of it.

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    Nice job,.......

    Just one question, have you had any issues with the glass getting dirty from the fire? it seems every so often after I have a good fire going the glass will be dirty, not sure what I am doing wrong


  • #3693
    SoapFan27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭SoapFan27


    Big Nelly wrote: »
    Nice job,.......

    Just one question, have you had any issues with the glass getting dirty from the fire? it seems every so often after I have a good fire going the glass will be dirty, not sure what I am doing wrong


    Thanks. Yes we started getting some dark, dirty marks too just yesterday. I've found this thread, going to try a couple of suggestions here. Two things that jumped out at me is that turf is a dirtier fuel, wood has to be very dry and also from reading the manual it says the secondary air is an airwash and designed to keep the glass clean so maybe I'll try keeping that a bit more open to see if that helps. Although I never close it so think it may be the turf or having the wood too close to the glass, our logs are fairly big!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055429828


  • #3694
    therealmccoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭therealmccoy


    Robbie.G wrote: »
    Have a read of this

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2015/03/18/fire-service-warns-about-use-of-stoves-after-increase-in-house-fires/

    Just goes to show that people are still hiring 'the local lad' to fit a potentially deadly device to save a few euro rather than getting a professional out to do it.
    Darwin awards at its finest.


  • #3695
    martinr5232
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭martinr5232


    Leave youre airwash open all the time its designed to keep the glass clean.


  • #3696
    therealmccoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭therealmccoy


    eas wrote: »
    Hi all,

    We've noticed creosote tar running down our stove pipe and onto our stove top. Produces some smell. Just trying to figure out what should be done? Ive read there's a powder you can burn that apparently turns the tar into more flaky consistency that can be brushed. I'm thinking if it's running down the pipe there must be quite a build up in the chimney and perhaps a liner is what's needed. In any case, advice appreciated. Thanks

    What ever fuel you are burning is far to wet to be burnt so stop that straight away. Get a professional chimney sweep/Stove fitter to inspect stove and chimney with a view to cleaning to new again. Once cleaned, a liner is recommended but most of all, ONLY BURN CLEAN DRY FUEL.


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  • #3697
    therealmccoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭therealmccoy


    martinr5232 wrote: »
    Leave youre airwash open all the time its designed to keep the glass clean.

    Only leave it open about 15/20% max, this is enough to keep the glass clean (assuming you are using good clean dry fuel) but not open too far as to let too much air into the stove so it runs very efficiently.


  • #3698
    Big Nelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,613 ✭✭✭Big Nelly


    martinr5232 wrote: »
    Leave youre airwash open all the time its designed to keep the glass clean.

    On Vitae, there is primary and secondary. Primary is to start the fire and secondary is air wash. Below is section from manual, it also says a few pages down "After the fire has become established close the airwash until it is
    approximately 25% open and use the primary air control to set the burn
    rate" so I have been leaving the secondary(airwash) just 25% open as this is suggested.

    If I leave fully open will it not burn very quickly? Just wondering. Thansk


    Section
    If you want clean glass, always leave this control open some way whilst burning unless the stove is being shut right down for a long period. Moving
    the sliding control towards the wide side of the arrow (to the right)
    increases the burn rate whilst moving it towards the narrow side (to the left)
    reduces it


  • #3699
    SoapFan27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭SoapFan27


    therealmccoy wrote: »
    Only leave it open about 15/20% max, this is enough to keep the glass clean (assuming you are using good clean dry fuel) but not open too far as to let too much air into the stove so it runs very efficiently.


    Yes I was advised leave it about 20% open to run it efficiently.


  • #3700
    timaros
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 ✭timaros


    Hi we are currently in the last stages of completing our new house and our plumber has recommended the Stanley Reginald Stove for us, however upon reading reviews etc., I am not convinced. Has anyone any recommendation for a stove similar in size etc to the Reginald but a better stove???

    TIA


  • #3701
    kingjp1st
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭kingjp1st


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    Hi KingJP,
    Stratford EB16 would be regarded as the best insert boiler 21kw on the market.
    The only other I'm aware of is the Henley Achill 21kw.

    Sanchez83

    Thanks for getting back to me with your recommendations. I think the stratford EB16 would provide more than enough heat for the water but I'm a little worried that the heat to the room wouldn't be adequate. A few people on boards were disappointed with the heat output to the room. The room is a fairly large open plan kitchen/dining/ living room although there are 3 rads in this room.

    I reckon I need about 13kw at least for the water. I was hoping to get something a bit more contemporary looking although I'm not sure if this exists.

    Thank you again


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  • #3702
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    kingjp1st wrote: »
    Sanchez83

    Thanks for getting back to me with your recommendations. I think the stratford EB16 would provide more than enough heat for the water but I'm a little worried that the heat to the room wouldn't be adequate. A few people on boards were disappointed with the heat output to the room. The room is a fairly large open plan kitchen/dining/ living room although there are 3 rads in this room.

    I reckon I need about 13kw at least for the water. I was hoping to get something a bit more contemporary looking although I'm not sure if this exists.

    Thank you again

    If you have doubts that you wont get adequate room heat with a Stratford, then check out Inis. Read up on their brochure/website first and you will see that they are designed completely differently from conventional boiler stoves (most of which have a wraparound boiler) and are better room heaters as a result....


  • #3703
    Sanchez83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Sanchez83


    Inis don't do a 21kw insert boiler.
    Inis are a good stove but your claim re room heat doesn't add up.
    A boiler stove will heat radiators first and then give room heat.If you keep loading good quality fuel into it(under the assumption there are no chimney draw issues) then of course room heat will increase to a certain level.But this level will never be huge especially with inserts due to the size of the firebox.
    Yes there website says there freestanding stoves give off high room heat output but they don't seem to have an independent test cert like Stanley,Henley and now Pierce to show this....... I bang on about this often on here,test certs are the only heat output that should be believed!
    As for Stratford,I know they are having some issues with their baffle plates being too small,not allowing smoke to travel efficiently in some houses(especially 2 storey).This would in turn have an effect on room heat as the stove will not combust fully.However I think if you are fitting a flexible liner and have a decent draw and use good quality fuel you should be ok.


  • #3704
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    Inis don't do a 21kw insert boiler.
    Inis are a good stove but your claim re room heat doesn't add up.
    A boiler stove will heat radiators first and then give room heat.If you keep loading good quality fuel into it(under the assumption there are no chimney draw issues) then of course room heat will increase to a certain level.But this level will never be huge especially with inserts due to the size of the firebox.
    Yes there website says there freestanding stoves give off high room heat output but they don't seem to have an independent test cert like Stanley,Henley and now Pierce to show this....... I bang on about this often on here,test certs are the only heat output that should be believed!
    As for Stratford,I know they are having some issues with their baffle plates being too small,not allowing smoke to travel efficiently in some houses(especially 2 storey).This would in turn have an effect on room heat as the stove will not combust fully.However I think if you are fitting a flexible liner and have a decent draw and use good quality fuel you should be ok.

    My bad, I didn't realise that it was an insert that the poster was referring to. Now that i see that, I would agree that inserts are poorer room heaters than free standing stoves, all things being equal. A friend of mine has had this same experience and had to go from insert to freestanding.

    I take your point on Inis. I've owned 4 stoves and I've seen others in action. And whilst the Inis heat output may not be independently certified, I believe they really have stood back and looked at how stoves have been traditionally designed and sought to re-engineer the design of their own range to address many of the flaws in others. The main flaw of many boiler stoves - and i have witnessed this first hand - is that too much water is introduced to the firebox area robbing the stove of the ability to generate heat. Inis has recognised this and in re-designing their stoves, they have delivered a boiler stove that heats the room early and also heats the water when driven-on. Their product is up there with the best on the market in my eyes anyway.


  • #3705
    arbf1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭arbf1


    All things being equal what freestanding boiler stove would you choose for best room heat, what's your favourite...there's alot of choiceout there and would be very interested in opinions after reading above debate? Room heat is my priority followed by the rads and then hot water (I have oil and electric shower already as back up but of course would hope to use them less if got right stove) thanks.


  • #3706
    Sanchez83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Sanchez83


    I wouldn't advise any boiler stove on the market for good room heat.
    They are not designed for that and basic physics and chemistry will not allow High room heat.
    If you want room heat,buy a room heater stove.
    If you want to increase your chances of half decent room heat from a boiler stove,pick a good brand,use a professional Hetas qualified fitter,line your chimney,test for chimney draught and use a suitable chimney cowl and finally load high quality fuel into in constantly.As an add on stick a stove fan on top to redistribute the room heat faster before it rises.
    The best 2 21kw insert boilers on the market in Ireland IMO are the Stratford EB16 and the Henley Achill 21kw.There are a few others of lower power including Charnwood SLX,Stanley Cara plus,Pierce Glas boiler etc that are also good.


  • #3707
    Galego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭Galego


    bigdawg wrote: »
    I would agree that inserts are poorer room heaters than free standing stoves, all things being equal. A friend of mine has had this same experience and had to go from insert to freestanding.

    I am not a stove expert myself but have been told many times by the manufactures that stoves do heat to max output designed for regardless whether it is freestanding or insert.


  • #3708
    therealmccoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭therealmccoy


    arbf1 wrote: »
    All things being equal what freestanding boiler stove would you choose for best room heat, what's your favourite...there's alot of choiceout there and would be very interested in opinions after reading above debate? Room heat is my priority followed by the rads and then hot water (I have oil and electric shower already as back up but of course would hope to use them less if got right stove) thanks.

    The best boiler stove on the market to also heat a room is Inis. Hands down, no debate.

    They typically give double the heat to the room than any of their competitor and thats down purely to the design of the stove and the use of convection in their freestanding stoves.


  • #3709
    hallo dare
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭hallo dare


    Anyone know where I can pick up some heat shielding for 2 6" flue pipes plus a heat shield for the rear of the stove? Trying to keep the stove nice and tidy to the wall so it's not sticking out so far taking up the whole room.

    I've looked everywhere and the only place I can see them is in America and Canada and cost a bomb to import to Ireland.

    Thanks


  • #3710
    arbf1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭arbf1


    thank you for the replies...Sanchez83, I notice you gave good recommendations for insert boiler stove above, I agree the two you mentioned are the best insert from looking into it previously but I was actually looking for a stand alone boiler stove this time...which is the best brand in your opinion? Opinions from others very welcome too. Thanks so much.


  • #3711
    k123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭k123456


    hallo dare wrote: »
    Anyone know where I can pick up some heat shielding for 2 6" flue pipes plus a heat shield for the rear of the stove? Trying to keep the stove nice and tidy to the wall so it's not sticking out so far taking up the whole room.

    I've looked everywhere and the only place I can see them is in America and Canada and cost a bomb to import to Ireland.

    Thanks

    http://www.dineensales.com/


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  • #3712
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    Galego wrote: »
    I am not a stove expert myself but have been told many times by the manufactures that stoves do heat to max output designed for regardless whether it is freestanding or insert.

    The manufacturers are going to tell you that, of course they will. I'm just telling you what I have come across in my experience so far and I have no vested interest in it other than to help other stove users.


  • #3713
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    therealmccoy wrote: »
    The best boiler stove on the market to also heat a room is Inis. Hands down, no debate.

    They typically give double the heat to the room than any of their competitor and thats down purely to the design of the stove and the use of convection in their freestanding stoves.

    This is correct. And as someone that has gone through this exercise (at considerable expense) I can attest to that. I went through this myself first hand. Our first stove (freestanding 20kwh) did not heat the room. Replaced the stove with an Inish Meain - everything else stayed the same, plumbing, draught, stats etc etc. Bang, room was roasting.

    CHOICE OF STOVE IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE SIZING/PLUMBING/FITTING.


  • #3714
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    arbf1 wrote: »
    thank you for the replies...Sanchez83, I notice you gave good recommendations for insert boiler stove above, I agree the two you mentioned are the best insert from looking into it previously but I was actually looking for a stand alone boiler stove this time...which is the best brand in your opinion? Opinions from others very welcome too. Thanks so much.

    I have owned/operated 4 stoves in the past 2 years and seen a number of others in action.

    Best stand alone boiler stoves out there (that I have seen, there may be others):
    Inis
    Stratford

    Hope i can help others save a few bob and see past some of the junk that's out there.


  • #3715
    Sanchez83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Sanchez83


    bigdawg wrote: »
    The manufacturers are going to tell you that, of course they will. I'm just telling you what I have come across in my experience so far and I have no vested interest in it other than to help other stove users.

    An insert stove which is independently certified to 10kw is of course the same as a freestanding stove certified(emphasis on certified)to 10kw. The only variables which can effect this are quality of installation and chimney conditions. These are never a reflection of the stove.
    They are tested under controlled set conditions by internationally known companies such as Gastech UK and SGS.
    A freestanding and insert give off heat in different ways but 10 kW is 10kw regardless.
    Your statement is entirely without base or widespread proof.


  • #3716
    arbf1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭arbf1


    whats's the opinion on the henley druid 21kw? I notice it has 2kw more to the room than the 25kw model? why/how is this? both very reasonably priced...what is quality/reputation like? thanks.


  • #3717
    k123456
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭k123456


    Hi Folks, looking for an opinion on a stove I in mind please#

    Carraig Mor 20kW Freestanding Boiler Stove


  • #3718
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    An insert stove which is independently certified to 10kw is of course the same as a freestanding stove certified(emphasis on certified)to 10kw. The only variables which can effect this are quality of installation and chimney conditions. These are never a reflection of the stove.
    They are tested under controlled set conditions by internationally known companies such as Gastech UK and SGS.
    A freestanding and insert give off heat in different ways but 10 kW is 10kw regardless.
    Your statement is entirely without base or widespread proof.

    You are entitled to your view, and I respect it. However, there is an Irish manufacturer of stoves which is certified (should be fine so?) that is getting a lot of airing on this site and I know one particular plumber who has already taken 3 out of houses. Having done a like-for-like swap with another stove, the houses were rocking. And the 2nd stove that was put in wasn't officially certified.

    Where does that leave you?


  • #3719
    Sanchez83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Sanchez83


    If the second stove wasn't officially certified then it is illegal to have it fitted.Do you mind mentioning which brand this is? For everyone's safety as you say you know they are not certified.
    Advocating the fitting of non certified stoves is pure madness!
    My statement is not a view,it is fact! If it were not fact(rather than hearsay...) then there would be no point in testing any stove.CE compliance is law and exists for a damn good reason!
    My view or opinion is that some brands have better quality than others.
    That some are overpriced and some are well priced.
    Some brands look better than others.
    Your view or opinion along with many other posters here can agree or disagree with my opinion.I have no problem with that.
    BUT a certified heat output,efficiency etc from a reputable testing company is fact and should outweigh any one persons personal opinion.So if a genuine cert states an insert stove is 10kw under the correct conditions,then the stove is 10kw regardless of your opinion.


  • #3720
    Sanchez83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 277 ✭✭Sanchez83


    Hi K123,

    The Boru Carrig Mor 20kw is probably the second best selling model in the 18-22kw market in the country.The only stove which outsells it is the copy products of the Stanley Erin such as the Olymberyly Aidan,Henley Blasket,Blacksmith Forge etc.They sell because they are a popular traditional look.
    However I would rate the Boru Carrig Mor as a better stove.It may cost you a few quid more but I think you will be happier in the long run.


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  • #3721
    bigdawg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭bigdawg


    Sanchez83 wrote: »
    If the second stove wasn't officially certified then it is illegal to have it fitted.Do you mind mentioning which brand this is? For everyone's safety as you say you know they are not certified.
    Advocating the fitting of non certified stoves is pure madness!
    My statement is not a view,it is fact! If it were not fact(rather than hearsay...) then there would be no point in testing any stove.CE compliance is law and exists for a damn good reason!
    My view or opinion is that some brands have better quality than others.
    That some are overpriced and some are well priced.
    Some brands look better than others.
    Your view or opinion along with many other posters here can agree or disagree with my opinion.I have no problem with that.
    BUT a certified heat output,efficiency etc from a reputable testing company is fact and should outweigh any one persons personal opinion.So if a genuine cert states an insert stove is 10kw under the correct conditions,then the stove is 10kw regardless of your opinion.

    When I say that second company is not certified, I should clarify that they do not have their stoves respective heat ratings' certified. They publish the heat ratings, but nothing on the website or brochures says that it has been independently verified. The stoves are perfectly legal I am sure. And, yes, the do appear to deliver the heat that they state.

    Whereas the first company i refer to has such a certification and, personally, I wouldn't buy any of their stoves as they fail to deliver the heat that they claim.

    So what does certification prove in this instance? Not a lot in my mind. That is the only point I am making.

    I wont mention either brand as some people have these stoves and may find nothing at all wrong with them. This is just my experience.

    My point is: you have to see stoves in action and you take them at face value. You cant rely solely on what it says in the brochure - no matter how well certified they are.


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