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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #1262
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Tobyglen wrote: »
    Shambolic policies. Protest vote that will change as the economy recovers and more jobs are created. They would destroy our health service if they got elected, yes things are bad but they will get better.
    Which policies? "all of them" huh?


  • #1263
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Who's HQ? High Quality?
    So we're back to vague "it won't work" stuff then now the whole "shock horror at SF's health policy" thing had to be shelved?

    So, what's your opinion SF health policy?

    Good?
    Bad?
    Indifferent?


  • #1264
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I haven't gone to look for them yet.
    Right Dan, so that's why you can't explain their policies even though we've been discussing it for a week.

    I wonder what all the other Sinn Fein supporters excuses are?

    Could it be that Sinn Fein's health policies are in fact a self-contradictory shambles? Because that's what I'm saying.

    If anyone can prove otherwise, please tell us what their definitive position is on doctors' and consultants' pay.


  • #1265
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Which policies? "all of them" huh?

    Which ones are you a particular fan of?


  • #1266
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    So, he got a job here in 2013, moved lock, stock and barrel here, and a few months later after a circa €10k pay cut, he moved it all back to AUS?
    Didn't he have a rented house here, payed by the HSE too?

    Maybe you should read and recognise the dates he came here post HRA.

    I don't know what his housing arrangements were - I've never heard of the HSE renting houses for senior staff - have you?


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  • #1267
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Which ones are you a particular fan of?
    He hasn't read them yet.


  • #1268
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    The 2011 document is, in parts, frankly bizarre.
    That's nice. Any insights into the 1948 Clann na Talmhan manifesto you'd like to share also?


  • #1269
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    I don't know why he came - maybe it was because his wife got job here, maybe because it was a chance to work at a national rather than a state level, maybe he saw it as a pathway into the private sector - who knows.

    But his letter seemed fairly clear on why he was leaving.

    Tell you what, and I've seen it, why don't you post his resignation letter here for us.
    Now, I'll let you do it.....in your own time.
    Thanks in advance.;)


  • #1270
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    That's nice. Any insights into the 1948 Clann na Talmhan manifesto you'd like to share also?

    Not for this thread which is about SF's health policy.

    But start a thread on the manifesto and I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

    Incidentally when SF say......
    Health (cont.)
    » Implementation of measures to improve system productivity, including strategic purchasing: saves €205.9 million

    What 'measures' are they talking about? Or is this the old trick of putting in a very specific number (instead of a rounded one) to make it look very precise and authoritative :D


  • #1271
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »
    I don't know why he came - maybe it was because his wife got job here, maybe because it was a chance to work at a national rather than a state level, maybe he saw it as a pathway into the private sector - who knows.

    But his letter seemed fairly clear on why he was leaving.

    We know for certain he didn't leave Aus for money, that is right before your nose. He left for other reasons. (which is what has been said here, doctors migrate for many reasons)
    He left stating the main reasons for leaving, primarily that his family situation had changed. The lower salary he chose(Nobody shanghai'd or kidnapped him) to take was just 'one' of the reasons.


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  • #1272
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Jawgap wrote: »
    What 'measures' are they talking about? Or is this the old trick of putting in a very specific number (instead of a rounded one) to make it look very precise and authoritative :D

    Add to this, their intention to arbitrarily save tens of millions by prescribing fewer drugs..... Yet make all prescriptions free for all people.

    Perhaps Daniel can cut through the contradiction & show us the Shinner light?


  • #1273
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    We know for certain he didn't leave Aus for money, that is right before your nose. He left for other reasons. (which is what has been said here, doctors migrate for many reasons)
    Doctors do indeed migrate for many reasons.

    Pay is a big reason. Cutting pay means fewer doctors migrating to here and more doctors migrating from here.

    It's not rocket science, it's basic economics.


  • #1274
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    So, what's your opinion SF health policy?

    Good?
    Bad?
    Indifferent?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgKCas5xJ34&t=8m30s


  • #1275
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Not for this thread which is about SF's health policy.

    But start a thread on the manifesto and I'd be happy to share my thoughts.

    Incidentally when SF say......



    What 'measures' are they talking about? Or is this the old trick of putting in a very specific number (instead of a rounded one) to make it look very precise and authoritative :D
    sinn fein should take the lead from our current minister for health. if you don't know who that is, then let me give you a clue, he has an opinion on everything only health.


  • #1276
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Tell you what, and I've seen it, why don't you post his resignation letter here for us.
    Now, I'll let you do it.....in your own time.
    Thanks in advance.;)

    Eh, it was published a couple of weeks after his departure in the Irish Times - it's not like it was the Third Secret of Fatima.


  • #1277
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Jawgap wrote: »
    it's not like it was the Third Secret of Fatima.
    ...or Sinn Fein's definitive proposals on doctors' pay...


  • #1278
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http

    So.... Hundreds of posts defending the Shinners, yet you can't even summon the wit to form an opinion on their keystone policy?

    Some where between obsession & spoofery.


  • #1279
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Not for this thread which is about SF's health policy.
    Nice try. Well, actually it isn't. It's a fairly useless attempt at a history rewrite.
    This thread is about A SF health policy. The clue is in the first post.
    A policy which it turns out doesn't exist.
    Want to make up something else?


  • #1280
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Doctors do indeed migrate for many reasons.

    Pay is a big reason. Cutting pay means fewer doctors migrating to here and more doctors migrating from here.

    It's not rocket science, it's basic economics.

    its all relative to the cost of living and other factors are you telling me that all the countries in the world who are poorer and lowered paid than Ireland have no doctors are healthcare workers and the hospitals are manned by whoever happens to be walking pass


  • #1281
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    joe912 wrote: »
    its all relative to the cost of living

    What is the Shinner plan to reduce this to a corresponding amount?


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  • #1282
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Doctors do indeed migrate for many reasons.

    Pay is a big reason. Cutting pay means fewer doctors migrating to here and more doctors migrating from here.

    It's not rocket science, it's basic economics.
    Although for some reason they say it isn't important.
    I guess you're calling Irish doctors liars then. Yes, you are.


  • #1283
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Nice try. Well, actually it isn't. It's a fairly useless attempt at a history rewrite.
    This thread is about A SF health policy. The clue is in the first post.
    A policy which it turns out doesn't exist.
    Want to make up something else?
    Dan, would you mind pointing us to the policy that does exist?

    You have been dodging this for ages for some reason.


  • #1284
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    So.... Hundreds of posts defending the Shinners, yet you can't even summon the wit to form an opinion on their keystone policy?

    Some where between obsession & spoofery.
    Obsession? I'm not the guy who started a thread to attack a historical policy proposal.


  • #1285
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    So.... Hundreds of posts defending the Shinners, yet you can't even summon the wit to form an opinion on their keystone policy?

    Some where between obsession & spoofery.

    so whats the present governments policy.
    presuming its official policy isn't letting people who are unwell die, to save paying sick pay or carers allowance.


  • #1286
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    joe912 wrote: »
    its all relative to the cost of living and other factors are you telling me that all the countries in the world who are poorer and lowered paid than Ireland have no doctors are healthcare workers and the hospitals are manned by whoever happens to be walking pass
    Can you explain why the most basic laws of economics do not apply to Irish doctors and foreign doctors who might work in Ireland?

    Please?


  • #1287
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    You have been dodging this for ages for some reason.

    Slippery is our Daniel.

    Virulent in Shinner defence, curiously evasive on Shinner policy though?


  • #1288
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    joe912 wrote: »
    so whats the present governments policy.

    Visit any HSE facility & see, it ain't pretty.


  • #1289
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Dan, would you mind pointing us to the policy that does exist?
    Why? How is that anybody's job?
    You could start a new thread "I don't have a clue about SF's policies but I'm attacking them anyway. Feel free to tell me their policies though. Ta."


  • #1290
    joe912
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭joe912


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    What is the Shinner plan to reduce this to a corresponding amount?

    what's a shiner?


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  • #1291
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Visit any HSE facility & see.
    See their healthcare in action from a loooooooooooooong way off.


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