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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #1232
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    He sets the going rate?...interesting concept.

    Well, no. The market does.


  • #1233
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Salary for the QLD Health D-G was AUS$463,000 at today's exchange rate that's about €330,000.

    Obviously I meant the salary he was on when he started working here in 2013 as you mentioned in your post.
    And if it was cut, who cut it?


  • #1234
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Everybody can see what you're doing.

    Hopefully.;)


  • #1235
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    AHAHAHAHAH

    I genuinely lolled that time. :)
    Good. If there's no information to be had in this latest SF smear thread, why not have some entertainment instead?


  • #1236
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Not confused at all. You answered my reply to somebody else and then moaned when I asked you the same question I asked them.
    Not complicated. Everybody can see what you're doing.
    Ah Dan, I can tell you are getting frustrated. You are free to ask me any question you like of course. :)


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  • #1237
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Does anybody find it worrying that Sinn Fein's health policy seems to be either incoherent, completely lacking detail or - as in this instance - just a bundle of mutually contradictory aspirations?


  • #1238
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Ah Dan, I can tell you are getting frustrated. You are free to ask me any question you like of course. :)
    OK so. What's this **** thread about?


  • #1239
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Does anybody find it worrying that THIS THREAD seems to be either incoherent, completely lacking detail or - as in this instance - just a bundle of mutually contradictory aspirations?
    :-)


  • #1240
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    "Do SF ministers get held to a different standard"?
    You really just asked that? You are aware we're not in NI here?

    Eh, you are aware I was responding to the idea that someone should be sacked because they 'failed' to deliver in a role they'd be in for less than 3 months
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    World Class? Wasn't the number of people on trolleys record broken under his watch?
    I'd have sacked him tbh. But he jumped ship instead.

    His 'watch' lasted about three months - i assume the same standards apply to the Shinners? I mean if this guy deserved sacking then surely Any minister who had failed to deliver at the end of three months will have their watch ended?


  • #1241
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Lee, you don't seem to know what Sinn Fein's proposals are for the health service.

    Why not? Does it not concern you?

    I've given Lee a link to their policy.

    I've asked his opinion on it.....

    ...... Silence.

    Why is policy talk kryptonite to your common/garden Shinner?

    You'd think toeing the party line would involve knowing what 'the line' is??


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  • #1242
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Lee, you don't seem to know what Sinn Fein's proposals are for the health service.

    Why not? Does it not concern you?

    You started a thread attacking their policy.
    Now you don't know what their policy is but you're still attacking it.
    There's a word for what you do on this site and the sooner an end is put to it, the better off we'll be.
    I'll leave you at it so you can gather enough rope.....


  • #1243
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    OK so. What's this **** thread about?
    This thread started by trying to explore the consequences of Sinn Fein's plans to cap the pay of public sector workers and how that would cause doctors and consultants to leave the system.

    Since then, we've learned of - is it three - other versions of Sinn Fein's policy, all of which contradict each other.

    It seems their health policy is in complete disarray - not even the hard-core Sinn Fein supporters here can point out what their policies actually are.


  • #1244
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do high paid PS's not have to sign contracts? How was he able to walk away and wash dirty linen in public?

    You do know the difference between contracts of service and contracts for service???

    Plus it's not indentured servitude!!!!:D


  • #1245
    frankbrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭frankbrett


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Does anybody find it worrying that Sinn Fein's health policy seems to be either incoherent, completely lacking detail or - as in this instance - just a bundle of mutually contradictory aspirations?

    To be fair, compared to the 'equity investment', " all forms of formula", passing the MCT without domestic charges water policy it is actually very coherent.


  • #1246
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    I've given Lee a link to their policy.

    I've asked his opinion on it.....

    ...... Silence.

    Why is policy talk kryptonite to your common/garden Shinner?

    You'd think toeing the party line would involve knowing what 'the line' is??
    You brought it up mate. Why not give us your opinion on it first?
    If I link to the complete works of Charles Dickens, will you read them and get back to me with your opinion while I wait?


  • #1247
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Salary for the QLD Health D-G was AUS$463,000 at today's exchange rate that's about €330,000.

    So he clearly didn't come because of the money, but he left because of the money? He should have nipped into the schizophrenic ward before he left, because that makes no sense.

    I smell an old euphemism lads and lassies.
    'too much of a financial challenge'= couldn't put up with the crap and conditions.


  • #1248
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    You started a thread attacking their policy.
    Now you don't know what their policy is but you're still attacking it.
    But Lee, you don't know what the policy is either - and you are a huge Sinn Fein supporter.

    I find it weird that you would blindly defend a party with such an obvious huge hole in its policies in an area that affects everybody in a life and death manner.


  • #1249
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    This thread started by trying to explore the consequences of Sinn Fein's plans to cap the pay of public sector workers and how that would cause doctors and consultants to leave the system.
    No it didn't. It started with an attack on a historical document which is no longer SF policy.
    You're attacking unicorns and pixies at this stage.


  • #1250
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You're attacking unicorns and pixies at this stage.
    That does sound like a pretty accurate description of Sinn Fein's health policies.


  • #1251
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    But Lee, you don't know what the policy is either - and you are a huge Sinn Fein supporter.

    I find it weird that you would blindly defend a party with such an obvious huge hole in its policies in an area that affects everybody in a life and death manner.
    It's not as weird as blindly attacking a party on a policy proposal which doesn't exist.
    Anything else SF won't be doing you'd like to attack?


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  • #1252
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    That does sound like a pretty accurate description of Sinn Fein's health policies.
    But you don't know what they are. How would you know?


  • #1253
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    But you don't know what they are. How would you know?
    Nobody knows what they are. That's kind of a problem in politics, Dan.

    I suppose it's one way to dodge criticism - post a bunch of documents that all contradict each other.

    Don't like Sinn Fein's health policies? Don't worry - we've got loads of other ones.


  • #1254
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Obviously I meant the salary he was on when he started working here in 2013 as you mentioned in your post.
    And if it was cut, who cut it?

    Google is your friend ;)

    HSE Director Level 1 Salary was €158,296 on 1/3/10 - on 1/3/12 it was reduced to €150,205 and after HRA it was €147,549 (1/7/13)


  • #1255
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You brought it up mate. Why not give us your opinion on it first?

    I've given my opinion loads of times.... Several times to you directly!

    I think trying to provide unlimited free healthcare with only a tiny increase in funding is irresponsible & unworkable & the enormous increase in workload without corresponding resource increase will worsen health outcomes.

    And you Daniel?

    What do you think of Shinner HQ's health doctrine?


  • #1256
    Tobyglen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Tobyglen


    Shambolic policies. Protest vote that will change as the economy recovers and more jobs are created. They would destroy our health service if they got elected, yes things are bad but they will get better.


  • #1257
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Does anybody find it worrying that Sinn Fein's health policy seems to be either incoherent, completely lacking detail or - as in this instance - just a bundle of mutually contradictory aspirations?

    The 2011 document is, in parts, frankly bizarre. As I mentioned earlier there's practically a whole page given over to anti-microbial resistance that reads like a bad Wikipedia entry.


  • #1258
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Nobody knows what they are. That's kind of a problem in politics, Dan.

    I suppose it's one way to dodge criticism - post a bunch of documents that all contradict each other.

    Don't like Sinn Fein's health policies? Don't worry - we've got loads of other ones.
    I haven't gone to look for them yet. TBH there isn't an election for a while so I don't spend all day every day looking for policy proposal document.
    At least I didn't start a thread and then have to admit I didn't have the slightest notion what I was on about. Want to start a thread on the evils of SF's non-existent "free chocolate ice cream" policy?


  • #1259
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Google is your friend ;)

    HSE Director Level 1 Salary was €158,296 on 1/3/10 - on 1/3/12 it was reduced to €150,205 and after HRA it was €147,549 (1/7/13)

    So, he got a job here in 2013, moved lock, stock and barrel here, and a few months later after a circa €10k pay cut, he moved it all back to AUS?
    Didn't he have a rented house here, payed by the HSE too?


  • #1260
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    I've given my opinion loads of times.... Several times to you directly!

    I think trying to provide unlimited free healthcare with only a tiny increase in funding is irresponsible & unworkable & the enormous increase in workload without corresponding resource increase will worsen health outcomes.

    And you Daniel?

    What do you think of HQ's health doctrine?
    Who's HQ? High Quality?
    So we're back to vague "it won't work" stuff then now the whole "shock horror at SF's health policy" thing had to be shelved?


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  • #1261
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    So he clearly didn't come because of the money, but he left because of the money? He should have nipped into the schizophrenic ward before he left, because that makes no sense.

    I smell an old euphemism lads and lassies.
    'too much of a financial challenge'= couldn't put up with the crap and conditions.

    I don't know why he came - maybe it was because his wife got job here, maybe because it was a chance to work at a national rather than a state level, maybe he saw it as a pathway into the private sector - who knows.

    But his letter seemed fairly clear on why he was leaving.


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