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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #1202
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Is it just me, or is it clear that Sinn Fein's health proposals (scanty though they are) are in a complete shambles if nobody can tell what the hell they are doing about doctors' pay?


  • #1203
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Uh...what? :confused:
    And yet another figure from Sinn Fein document
    Ah, you see no problem with "Sinn Fein document". Of course you don't. It's not English, but of course you don't.


  • #1204
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Or the decision to take it.
    Maybe he thought he'd sneak in at that lever to get a new deal on the QT from Leo?
    Or maybe he wanted to move back to a better country with his missus and her new high paid position?

    Do high paid PS's not have to sign contracts? How was he able to walk away and wash dirty linen in public?


  • #1205
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Is it just me, or is it clear that Sinn Fein's health proposals (scanty though they are) are in a complete shambles if nobody can tell what the hell they are doing about doctors' pay?
    Who's nobody? Did you look it up? It's not our job you know.


  • #1206
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Cool story bro.
    You are aware of the whole anecdote v data thing?

    Which bit is anecdotal?

    In fact, the ED Taskforce wasn't set up until before Christmas and after the problem was well developed, so his time on that project was even shorter......should Shinner ministers only get the same length of time and no longer?
    Reverse trolley: the hospital crisis
    Just before Christmas Varadkar acknowledged publicly that there was a significant increase in emergency-department overcrowding since the summer and that much of the progress made since the Government came into office had been reversed. He convened a task force to find long-term solutions to overcrowding. He said “short-term solutions only work in the short term”.


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  • #1207
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Who's nobody? Did you look it up? It's not our job you know.
    I agree. It's Sinn Fein's job. And it's a complete shambles.


  • #1208
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Who isn't in NI?

    Are you a partitionist, Dan? :eek:
    I'm not really interested in 32 counties at all TBH.
    Again, what standards should we be holding SF ministers to when there aren't any in ROI? Anything else that doesn't exist you'd like to complain about?


  • #1209
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Ah, you see no problem with "Sinn Fein document". Of course you don't. It's not English, but of course you don't.
    Oh, you spotted a typo?

    Very good.


  • #1210
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »

    Varafkar said “short-term solutions only work in the short term”.

    That man is a genius, give him a pay rise. :cool:


  • #1211
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Anybody whinging about money in a well paid job like that I would tell to leave/sack.
    If money is distracting you 9 months into the job then something was wrong with the decision to give you the job in the first place.

    Yes, how dare someone look for the going rate for the job.


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  • #1212
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I'm not really interested in 32 counties at all TBH.
    Again, what standards should we be holding SF ministers to when there aren't any in ROI? Anything else that doesn't exist you'd like to complain about?
    I think you are addressing the wrong person in your rage. ;)


  • #1213
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I agree. It's Sinn Fein's job. And it's a complete shambles.
    So because YOU don't know what SF's policy proposals are that is SF's fault? Sort of going to extraordinary lengths to find something to moan about aren't you?


  • #1214
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I agree. It's Sinn Fein's job. And it's a complete shambles.

    So a policy that you can't or won't produce on thread, your thread, is 'a shambles'?
    Tell you what, your thread is a shambles.:)


  • #1215
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I think you are addressing the wrong person in your rage. ;)
    What rage? You butted in when I answered somebody else. If you're not really interested why did you bother?


  • #1216
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So because YOU don't know what SF's policy proposals are that is SF's fault? Sort of going to extraordinary lengths to find something to moan about aren't you?
    I've gone to extraordinary lengths to find out what their policy is.

    Still don't know. And nor do you.


  • #1217
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Yes, how dare someone look for the going rate for the job.

    He sets the going rate?...interesting concept.


  • #1218
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    So a policy that you can't or won't produce on thread, your thread, is 'a shambles'?
    Tell you what, your thread is a shambles.:)
    LOL, somebody's not too happy about how their latest SF smear attack is working out... there was this policy proposal once... it's gone now... but it was terrible... so SF are bad, OK?


  • #1219
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What rage? You butted in when I answered somebody else.
    Dan, there's a 'private message' facility there for private messages. Messages posted here can be seen -and responded to - by everybody.


  • #1220
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I've gone to extraordinary lengths to find out what their policy is.

    Still don't know. And nor do you.
    Yes, but I didn't start a thread pretending I did just to moan about it.


  • #1221
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    So a policy that you can't or won't produce on thread, your thread, is 'a shambles'?
    Tell you what, your thread is a shambles.:)
    There is no policy. That's the problem.


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  • #1222
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Dan, there's a 'private message' facility there for private messages. Messages posted here can be seen -and responded to - by everybody.
    So? You're moaning that I asked you a question I asked another guy, but at the same time you're insisting you can answer posts I address to other people?
    Is this a two-tier standard thing like the current health system?


  • #1223
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Out of interest, what salary was he on in 2013 and if it was cut, who cut it?

    Salary for the QLD Health D-G was AUS$463,000 at today's exchange rate that's about €330,000.


  • #1224
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Do any of the (many) Sinn Fein supporters here know what Sinn Fein's proposals are for doctors' and consultant's pay under a Sinn Fein government?

    If you don't know, why don't you?


  • #1225
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Oh, you spotted a typo?

    Very good.
    But should it be "the document" or "a document"?
    If both of them are wrong best to fudge it and put in neither, yes?


  • #1226
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    There is no policy. That's the problem.

    So, you're now spending your time attacking a policy that doesn't exist?

    It gets more surreal here by the minute.:)


  • #1227
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So? You're moaning that I asked you a question I asked another guy, but at the same time you're insisting you can answer posts I address to other people?
    Moaning? I was just pointing out that you were confused. Sorry if that further confused you! ;)


  • #1228
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Do any of the (many) Sinn Fein supporters here know what Sinn Fein's proposals are for doctors' and consultant's pay under a Sinn Fein government?

    If you don't know, why don't you?
    Perhaps we're not quite as obsessed with SF as some people are?


  • #1229
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    So, you're now spending your time attacking a policy that doesn't exist?

    It gets more surreal here by the minute.:)
    Lee, you don't seem to know what Sinn Fein's proposals are for the health service.

    Why not? Does it not concern you?


  • #1230
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Perhaps we're not quite as obsessed with SF as some people are?
    AHAHAHAHAH

    I genuinely lolled that time. :)


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  • #1231
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Moaning? I was just pointing out that you were confused. Sorry if that further confused you! ;)
    Not confused at all. You answered my reply to somebody else and then moaned when I asked you the same question I asked them.
    Not complicated. Everybody can see what you're doing.


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