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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #1172
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Lee, we've known for days now that Sinn Fein have binned that position and are now looking to merely cut the pay of people earning over 150k by a third, plus taking more tax off them.

    Edit: Ah, I see a figure of a 15% cut being bandied about now. Where did that come from??
    And yet another figure from Sinn Fein document: a hard 150k cap!

    A cap of €150,000 on salaries of hospital consultants would save €210 million
    Does anyone know what Sinn Fein's actual policy is right now?

    Because Sinn Fein don't seem to.


  • #1173
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    My website?

    Opps, I meant 'the collectives' website.

    Peruse & get back to us with a case for the defence of the Shinner health doctrine.


  • #1174
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    So a 15% cut on pay between €150k and €200k results in a cap of €100k?
    Round and round it goes.........

    Well they moved on - considerably - from their original plans.......

    why?

    Probably because they realised how ridiculous they were......

    Now, they're planning to save €9m! Doubt that covers the toilet roll budget for the HSE :D


  • #1175
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Lee, we've known for days now that Sinn Fein have binned that position and are now looking to merely cut the pay of people earning over 150k by a third, plus taking more tax off them.

    Have we?
    Maybe you could show us that document too?


  • #1176
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Very old looking document that.
    What year is that from?

    Here, you know what I could do?
    I could produce an old FG document where they state that 'a tax on the family home is immoral and unjust'.
    Is that still their policy do you think?

    Jeez Lee.

    If we didn't know any better we'd think you were dodging the issue!

    I welcome the FG thread you will no doubt create.

    But, on topic, Shinner health policy..... what do you think?


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  • #1177
    frankbrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭frankbrett


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    And yet another figure from Sinn Fein document: a hard 150k cap!
    Does anyone know what Sinn Fein's actual policy is right now?

    Because Sinn Fein don't seem to.

    That €150k cap was in the budget 2013 doc but subsequently binned


  • #1178
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Have we?
    Maybe you could show us that document too?
    Just to be clear: you have no idea what Sinn Fein's policy on doctors' and consultant's pay is?


  • #1179
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Just on the point of docs bailing because of salaries or lack thereof......

    Salary one reason HSE director quit to go back to Australia





    So I guess the Shinner's plans are fine, as long as we don't want world class physicians staffing our health system.

    World Class? Wasn't the number of people on trolleys record broken under his watch?
    I'd have sacked him tbh. But he jumped ship instead.


  • #1180
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Just on the point of docs bailing because of salaries or lack thereof......

    Salary one reason HSE director quit to go back to Australia





    So I guess the Shinner's plans are fine, as long as we don't want world class physicians staffing our health system.

    He bailed because his wife got a better job in their home country.
    The most telling part of that article is where he wishes his successor well in 'this stressed system'.

    Either way, he was earning less than €150k.

    How did SF influence him in his decision to head home with his missus?


  • #1181
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Well they moved on - considerably - from their original plans.......

    why?

    Probably because they realised how ridiculous they were......

    Now, they're planning to save €9m! Doubt that covers the toilet roll budget for the HSE :D

    Grand, so SF have changed their 4 year old policy, formulated when the country was flat broke and changed a few things to reflect the current economic climate.

    Should political parties set their position in stone in your opinion?

    As an aside, are property taxes still 'immoral and unjust' in FG land?


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  • #1182
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Grand, so SF have changed their 4 year old policy, formulated when the country was flat broke and changed a few things to reflect the current economic climate.

    Should political parties set their position in stone in your opinion?

    As an aside, are property taxes still 'immoral and unjust' in FG land?

    Maybe they need a diagram to understand the difference between 'Policy' and 'Policy Proposals'?


  • #1183
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Grand, so SF have changed their 4 year old policy, formulated when the country was flat broke and changed a few things to reflect the current economic climate.

    Indeed, thanks to ignoring SF's opposition to everything, the government have been able to close the deficit.

    However the Irish NHS is still the central plank of Shinner health policy.

    Do you think their savings projections on wages & procurement are feasible & will be able to deliver an NHS?


  • #1184
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    World Class? Wasn't the number of people on trolleys record broken under his watch?
    I'd have sacked him tbh. But he jumped ship instead.

    So he arrived here in Autumn 2013 from Queensland as National Director of Acute Services and was appointed to head up the ED Taskforce in summer 2014.......on his watch the wait time in EDs was reduced, Full Capacity Protocols were introduced, and yes the people waiting on trolleys maxed out about a week before he left during the flu and Norovirus season.

    So in the six months he had the gig, by your measure, he achieved insufficient to retain his job.

    Well, at least we have the benchmark against which Shinner ministers will be measured.......or do they get held to a different standard?


  • #1185
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Maybe they need a diagram to understand the difference between 'Policy' and 'Policy Proposals'?
    Happyman, I already quoted to you from the dictionary: policy and 'policy proposals' are the same thing.

    I believe you said you must have been out of school that day. How quickly we forget.


  • #1186
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Maybe they need a diagram to understand the difference between 'Policy' and 'Policy Proposals'?

    Please do.

    The Shinners "guide to obfuscation" would be helpful!


  • #1187
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Please do.

    The Shinners "guide to obfuscation" would be helpful!
    Happyman thinks that only one party at a time can have 'policies'.


  • #1188
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Grand, so SF have changed their 4 year old policy, formulated when the country was flat broke and changed a few things to reflect the current economic climate.

    Should political parties set their position in stone in your opinion?

    As an aside, are property taxes still 'immoral and unjust' in FG land?

    Surely you mean 'abandoned' moving from a salary cap to simply top slicing isn't so much a change as a u-turn :D

    Some consistency would be nice - surely a consultant who was overpaid in 2011 is still overpaid today?

    Good to see another person acknowledge the economic progress from 2011 ;)


  • #1189
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Just on the point of docs bailing because of salaries or lack thereof......

    Salary one reason HSE director quit to go back to Australia.
    Cool story bro.
    You are aware of the whole anecdote v data thing?


  • #1190
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Surely you mean 'abandoned' moving from a salary cap to simply top slicing isn't so much a change as a u-turn :D

    Some consistency would be nice - surely a consultant who was overpaid in 2011 is still overpaid today?

    Good to see another person acknowledge the economic progress from 2011 ;)

    If using language like 'abandoned' makes you feel better, don't let me stop you.
    Pejorative terminology seems to be a speciality of the anti-Sfer.
    Still, if it makes you happy.


  • #1191
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    And yet another figure from Sinn Fein document: a hard 150k cap!
    Hahahahaha! You knew well that "a document" or "the document" had you scuppered so you went with just "document"! That's priceless!


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  • #1192
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Cool story bro.
    You are aware of the whole anecdote v data thing?
    I'm sure he is, but when we try to talk about the data that shows falling unemployment, rising economic growth, rising exports, etc. etc. that is dismissed by the Sinn Fein posse and we are treated anecdotes about some lad losing his job or whatever.

    Either that, or the CSO is dismissed as a government conspiracy.


  • #1193
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Jawgap wrote: »
    So he arrived here in Autumn 2013 from Queensland as National Director of Acute Services and was appointed to head up the ED Taskforce in summer 2014.......on his watch the wait time in EDs was reduced, Full Capacity Protocols were introduced, and yes the people waiting on trolleys maxed out about a week before he left during the flu and Norovirus season.

    So in the six months he had the gig, by your measure, he achieved insufficient to retain his job.

    Well, at least we have the benchmark against which Shinner ministers will be measured.......or do they get held to a different standard?

    Anybody whinging about money in a well paid job like that I would tell to leave/sack.
    If money is distracting you 9 months into the job then something was wrong with the decision to give you the job in the first place.


  • #1194
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Just to be clear: you have no idea what Sinn Fein's policy on doctors' and consultant's pay is?
    This is interesting. So you are here whining and bitching about a policy proposal that you now admit you have actually no clue what it is?
    Why is it anybody's job to find it for you? Right health policy will swing you to voting SF will it?


  • #1195
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hahahahaha! You knew well that "a document" or "the document" had you scuppered so you went with just "document"! That's priceless!
    Uh...what? :confused:


  • #1196
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Jawgap wrote: »
    So he arrived here in Autumn 2013 from Queensland as National Director of Acute Services and was appointed to head up the ED Taskforce in summer 2014.......on his watch the wait time in EDs was reduced, Full Capacity Protocols were introduced, and yes the people waiting on trolleys maxed out about a week before he left during the flu and Norovirus season.

    So in the six months he had the gig, by your measure, he achieved insufficient to retain his job.

    Well, at least we have the benchmark against which Shinner ministers will be measured.......or do they get held to a different standard?

    Out of interest, what salary was he on in 2013 and if it was cut, who cut it?


  • #1197
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    This is interesting. So you are here whining and bitching about a policy proposal that you now admit you have actually no clue what it is?
    Why is it anybody's job to find it for you? Right health policy will swing you to voting SF will it?
    Dan, you seem a bit manic since you came back from your ban.

    We seem to have a surfeit of policies from Sinn Fein on health - does it not strike you as problematic that a whole team of people on both sides of the argument can't figure out what the hell they are proposing?


  • #1198
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Well, at least we have the benchmark against which Shinner ministers will be measured.......or do they get held to a different standard?
    "Do SF ministers get held to a different standard"?
    You really just asked that? You are aware we're not in NI here?


  • #1199
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Out of interest, what salary was he on in 2013 and if it was cut, who cut it?
    I'll let Dan answer you.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Why is it anybody's job to find it for you?


  • #1200
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    "Do SF ministers get held to a different standard"?
    You really just asked that? You are aware we're not in NI here?
    Who isn't in NI?

    Are you a partitionist, Dan? :eek:


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  • #1201
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Anybody whinging about money in a well paid job like that I would tell to leave/sack.
    If money is distracting you 9 months into the job then something was wrong with the decision to give you the job in the first place.

    Or the decision to take it.
    Maybe he thought he'd sneak in at that lever to get a new deal on the QT from Leo?
    Or maybe he wanted to move back to a better country with his missus and her new high paid position?


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