Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Harry Palmr · 16-03-2015 08:20PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Clarkson can't me a joke about race or nationality because his hate rag of a newspaper column over the years has provided context to his 'jokes'. He's a bigoted a-hole that believes the British Empire was the greatest gift to befall man and that the British people should be proud of the fact a small Island murdered those with inferior weaponary and in some cases, brutally and drove others into slavery for their own prosperity. The guy is a tool.

Wow! just wow. I think its pretty clear who is carrying the weight of prejudice around with them.

cdeb · 16-03-2015 08:21PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

He's a bigoted a-hole

And this is the problem with the thread. I've already shown a definition of the word "bigot" and shown that Clarkson isn't bigoted. Yet someone else will immediately come along and call him bigoted. I can only assume you don't know what the word means. Have a look back up the thread if you want.

I was watching the old Life of Brian debate on Friday Night Saturday Morning recently, when the Bishop of Southwark and Malcolm Muggeridge rather ignorantly slagged John Cleese and Michael Palin; actually a fascinating bit of TV if you haven't seen it. The former two just said the film was tenth rate and blasphemous, but they couldn't actually make any solid points to back their case - they just assumed by saying that it was tenth rate, it was true.

But the latter two countered by saying one of the points of their film was that people should think for themselves, work things out in their head, rather than jumping on the bandwagon just because it was what they were told to do. Muggeridge and the Bishop, of course, were so ignorant, they didn't even realise Cleese and Palin were talking about them.

But the same attitudes are on here too, which I find interesting. Not exactly the best reflection on what we call an advanced society, but interesting nonetheless.

lee_baby_simms · 16-03-2015 08:23PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Wow! just wow. I think its pretty clear who is carrying the weight of prejudice around with them.

It's remembering where you come from and understanding why Clarkson thinks he's superior when he calls someone a "lazy Irish ****"

cdeb · 16-03-2015 08:24PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

It's remembering where you come from and understanding why Clarkson thinks he's superior when he calls someone a "lazy Irish ****"

I'm confused. Only five minutes ago, you said -

lee_baby_simms wrote:

its not for you to decide whether its 'just a bit of fun'. You're not the butt of the joke.

But now all Irish should be offended at a comment which wasn't addressed to us.

Which is it?

lee_baby_simms · 16-03-2015 08:26PM

cdeb wrote: »

But now all Irish should be offended at a joke which wasn't addressed to us.

Which is it?

"You're not the butt of the joke" was referring to the mexican slagging.

If Clarkson goes around calling people lazy irish ***** then of course you've got the right to be offended!

C.K Dexter Haven · 16-03-2015 08:27PM

Karl Stein wrote: »

Batter each other Punch and Judy style, for the kids like.

ah cool

*selects the baton with infused nails*:p

cdeb · 16-03-2015 08:27PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

If Clarkson goes around calling people lazy irish ***** then of course you've got the right to be offended!

I don't see why.

Was the Irish guy lazy? If so, I've no right to be offended.

Even if the Irish guy wasn't lazy, I've still no right to be lazy. That's just preposterous.

tigger123 · 16-03-2015 08:28PM

cdeb wrote: »

And this is the problem with the thread. I've already shown a definition of the word "bigot" and shown that Clarkson isn't bigoted. Yet someone else will immediately come along and call him bigoted. I can only assume you don't know what the word means. Have a look back up the thread if you want.

I was watching the old Life of Brian debate on Friday Night Saturday Morning recently, when the Bishop of Southwark and Malcolm Muggeridge rather ignorantly slagged John Cleese and Michael Palin; actually a fascinating bit of TV if you haven't seen it. The former two just said the film was tenth rate and blasphemous, but they couldn't actually make any solid points to back their case - they just assumed by saying that it was tenth rate, it was true.

But the latter two countered by saying one of the points of their film was that people should think for themselves, work things out in their head, rather than jumping on the bandwagon just because it was what they were told to do. Muggeridge and the Bishop, of course, were so ignorant, they didn't even realise Cleese and Palin were talking about them.

But the same attitudes are on here too, which I find interesting. Not exactly the best reflection on what we call an advanced society, but interesting nonetheless.

I'm confused, are you comparing Clarkson's jokes with Monty Python?

lee_baby_simms · 16-03-2015 08:28PM

cdeb wrote: »

I don't see why.

Was the Irish guy lazy? If so, I've no right to be offended.

Even if the Irish guy wasn't lazy, I've still no right to be lazy. That's just preposterous.

Why call him Irish?!?! He's inferring that the irish are lazy.

If I called someone a "Scottish bastard" and not just "bastard" then what would you take from that?

Harry Palmr · 16-03-2015 08:35PM

tigger123 wrote: »

I'm confused, are you comparing Clarkson's jokes with Monty Python?

No he is comparing lazy critics (of something they didn't even watch in the case of Muggers and Bishop of Southwark) and tired attack cliches by the deliberately obdurate .

This thread is essentially a bandwagon jumpers catnip.

Lapin · 16-03-2015 08:35PM

Nothing wrong with a bit of xenophobia. People are getting too hung up over it.

Why should everybody be forced to like everybody else just because they are foreign? Foreign people are weird anyway. We all know that.

As long as we're not killing each other what's the harm in telling it as you see it?

I don't like Moroccans.

Ranchu · 16-03-2015 08:40PM

If an irish lad went on Top Gear and called them a pack of huns they'd do well to get out of the studio alive.

Wompa1 · 16-03-2015 08:48PM

cdeb wrote: »

And this is the problem with the thread. I've already shown a definition of the word "bigot" and shown that Clarkson isn't bigoted. Yet someone else will immediately come along and call him bigoted. I can only assume you don't know what the word means. Have a look back up the thread if you want.

I was watching the old Life of Brian debate on Friday Night Saturday Morning recently, when the Bishop of Southwark and Malcolm Muggeridge rather ignorantly slagged John Cleese and Michael Palin; actually a fascinating bit of TV if you haven't seen it. The former two just said the film was tenth rate and blasphemous, but they couldn't actually make any solid points to back their case - they just assumed by saying that it was tenth rate, it was true.

But the latter two countered by saying one of the points of their film was that people should think for themselves, work things out in their head, rather than jumping on the bandwagon just because it was what they were told to do. Muggeridge and the Bishop, of course, were so ignorant, they didn't even realise Cleese and Palin were talking about them.

But the same attitudes are on here too, which I find interesting. Not exactly the best reflection on what we call an advanced society, but interesting nonetheless.

You're right, I should have given an example of his bigotry, I'll try and find some of his previous political rants. He is also a bigot

But I guess he's more of a racist and borderline Xenophobic. You read his newspaper column over the years?

Bigot: Claimed that strikers should be shot
Xenophobic: Claimed that Romanians could turn violent if they don't like the look of you. He's had a history of columns which have been pretty Britain the best the rest are crap. He's constantly crapping on America which is probably liked here but shows a little bit of penis envy, in my opinion.
Racist: Used many slurs about Romanians, Hammond was the main perp in the Mexican debacle but Clarkson did also chime in, The slope incident...personally I wouldn't count the n*gger outtake because that could have been a real mistake, I think we've all heard that old version of the rhyme but it could be an example if you belive it was malicious, I don't.

There's a few examples of each AND I thank you.

dr.fuzzenstein · 16-03-2015 08:55PM

Ranchu wrote: »

If an irish lad went on Top Gear and called them a pack of huns they'd do well to get out of the studio alive.

That would have to be Top Gear Germany...

Tarzana2 · 16-03-2015 09:14PM

cdeb wrote: »

And this is the problem with the thread. I've already shown a definition of the word "bigot" and shown that Clarkson isn't bigoted. Yet someone else will immediately come along and call him bigoted. I can only assume you don't know what the word means. Have a look back up the thread if you want.

I was watching the old Life of Brian debate on Friday Night Saturday Morning recently, when the Bishop of Southwark and Malcolm Muggeridge rather ignorantly slagged John Cleese and Michael Palin; actually a fascinating bit of TV if you haven't seen it. The former two just said the film was tenth rate and blasphemous, but they couldn't actually make any solid points to back their case - they just assumed by saying that it was tenth rate, it was true.

But the latter two countered by saying one of the points of their film was that people should think for themselves, work things out in their head, rather than jumping on the bandwagon just because it was what they were told to do. Muggeridge and the Bishop, of course, were so ignorant, they didn't even realise Cleese and Palin were talking about them.

But the same attitudes are on here too, which I find interesting. Not exactly the best reflection on what we call an advanced society, but interesting nonetheless.

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This post is fantastic. But not for the reasons you'd like to think.

The last sentence.

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Ruu · 16-03-2015 10:18PM

Next Sunday (March 22nd) episode also postponed.

http://transmission.blogs.topgear.com/2015/03/16/further-news-about-this-sundays-top-gear/

Cienciano · 16-03-2015 10:40PM

My ideal car show line up would be:
Clarkson, Tiff Needell, Ed China and Chris Evans.
Clarkson's knowledge is unbelievably bad considering he's been driving cars for money for the last 30 years. But he does add something to the show. The other 2 are easily replaceable (even though I like James May) but Clarkson has a great wit. Read one of his books a few years ago which was a collection of car reviews from the sun, or whatever paper he writes for and it was hilarious!
I drive a bike, loads of bikers hate him cos he always rips into bikes. But its clearly a wind up. Same with his "racism" imho.
Although he's crossed the line this time and if what we hear is true, he needs to come out with a statement and properly apologise to the producer and tell the idiot top gear fans to lay off him.

BlaasForRafa · 16-03-2015 11:00PM

Ranchu wrote: »

If an irish lad went on Top Gear and called them a pack of huns they'd do well to get out of the studio alive.

You'd have to explain to them what the hell you are on about first. Pretty much nobody in the UK outside of norn iron and glasgow would even get the reference let alone be offended by it.

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 11:58PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

He's a bigoted a-hole that believes the British Empire was the greatest gift to befall man and that the British people should be proud of the fact a small Island nation murdered those with inferior weaponary and in some cases, very brutally and drove others into slavery for their own prosperity. The guy is a tool.

Yes, sort of, but that's kind of the joke with Clarkson.

Wompa1 wrote: »

Bigot: Claimed that strikers should be shot

He didn't actually mean it for gods sake, he says something dramatic over any slight inconvenience in his life, but it's a joke.

There's a few examples of each AND I thank you.

You should never listen to Louis CK, your head would explode.

EoghanIRL · 17-03-2015 12:50AM

^^
I agree with this.
To actually say Jeremy clarkson is a Bigot or racist is extreme. His jokes are clearly seen as jokes and exaggerations on the show. They have to be viewed in the context of the show , which is light hearted anyways. To say he is racist is similar to saying a comedian making jokes about other races is racist or a bigot, when in reality the jokes are intended to be funny and light hearted rather than attacks on others.

His jokes and exaggerations are unrelated to the assault on the producer. It is totally unacceptable and no matter how much I enjoy Clarkson on top gear I have to admit that what he did was completely out of order and he deserves to face the full ramifications of his actions.

cdeb · 17-03-2015 12:54AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Why call him Irish?!?! He's inferring that the irish are lazy.

If I called someone a "Scottish bastard" and not just "bastard" then what would you take from that?

You're going away from the point I made now.

You said I had a right to be offended because one person I don't know slagged another person I don't know. I - and you - have no such right.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No he is comparing lazy critics (of something they didn't even watch in the case of Muggers and Bishop of Southwark) and tired attack cliches by the deliberately obdurate .

This thread is essentially a bandwagon jumpers catnip.

Nail on head.

Bit of a random post, I'll admit; it's just something I'd been watching, and the link jumped out.

Wompa1 wrote: »

Bigot: Claimed that strikers should be shot

That's not bigotry. It's hyperbole.

Wompa1 wrote: »

Xenophobic: Claimed that Romanians could turn violent if they don't like the look of you. He's had a history of columns which have been pretty Britain the best the rest are crap. He's constantly crapping on America which is probably liked here but shows a little bit of penis envy, in my opinion.

He slags Britain more than any other country.

His comments on the US are generally spot on. There are some completely brain dead people there.

Don't know the background of the Romanian joke.

Wompa1 wrote: »

Racist: Used many slurs about Romanians, Hammond was the main perp in the Mexican debacle but Clarkson did also chime in, The slope incident...personally I wouldn't count the n*gger outtake because that could have been a real mistake, I think we've all heard that old version of the rhyme but it could be an example if you belive it was malicious, I don't.

There's a few examples of each AND I thank you.

What slurs did he use about Romanians?

I actually think the slope thing was just a joke that backfired.

The ****** issue is obviously nonsense.

So so far, the main thing you've shown is that you don't understand the terms you're throwing about.

FloatingVoter · 17-03-2015 01:00AM

I told a black lad once there was a slope on a pool table and not to waste his cash on it.
We shared drinks and laughs as we watched the stationary cue ball roll slowly downhill on said table.
I am dead sorry to the people of Africa and the Caribbean for the racist inference. No OED to hand at the time.

Tarzana2 · 17-03-2015 01:34AM

ScumLord wrote: »

You should never listen to Louis CK, your head would explode.

Don't compare Clarkson to Louis CK. They're nothing alike and Clarkson wishes he was that funny, insightful and witty.

Wompa1 · 17-03-2015 01:57AM

cdeb wrote: »

You're going away from the point I made now.

You said I had a right to be offended because one person I don't know slagged another person I don't know. I - and you - have no such right.

Nail on head.

Bit of a random post, I'll admit; it's just something I'd been watching, and the link jumped out.

That's not bigotry. It's hyperbole.

He slags Britain more than any other country.

His comments on the US are generally spot on. There are some completely brain dead people there.

Don't know the background of the Romanian joke.

What slurs did he use about Romanians?

I actually think the slope thing was just a joke that backfired.

The ****** issue is obviously nonsense.

So so far, the main thing you've shown is that you don't understand the terms you're throwing about.

Bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
He's against Unions and people that join them and strike.

Racism :the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
Romanians are violent....
The Sleepy Mexican

Xenophobia: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. He sure seemed to sound off on Romanians quite a bit. He's also written some pretty crappy things in his Sunday column....

Again, context. You say it's clearly jokes. I wouldn't even debate that they are jokes but it's the fact that he clearly has a superiority complex and a track record of this kind of behavior which would make me interpret any joke around nationality, race, gender etc. as him being display his ill will.

Somebody made a comparison to Louis CK. I've read Louis C.Ks blog, I've seen interviews with him, he clearly does not have any superiority complex or racist intent.

fryup · 17-03-2015 11:12AM

EoghanIRL wrote: »

To actually say Jeremy clarkson is a Bigot or racist is extreme. His jokes are clearly seen as jokes and exaggerations on the show. They have to be viewed in the context of the show , which is light hearted anyways.

exactly, its all tongue in cheek, he's just playing up to his TV persona thats all

now if he actually punched this young guy now that is a different matter entirely and i'm interested in oisin tymon's side of the story

cdeb · 17-03-2015 12:26PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
He's against Unions and people that join them and strike.

Actually, he's not. What he said was that the civil service guys who were striking actually had it very lucky - jobs for life and pensions at the end of it. So he was using hyperbole to get a point across.

Racism :the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
Romanians are violent....
The Sleepy Mexican

But here, there's no insinuation of superiority or discrimination, which is essential to the racism claim. In particular, he can hardly be accused of making the Brits out to be superior when he gives out about their ineptitude more than most (see any episode where they drive a British-made car of the 70s or 80s, for example)

Xenophobia: intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries. He sure seemed to sound off on Romanians quite a bit. He's also written some pretty crappy things in his Sunday column....

Lots of examples there. Thanks. And no nod towards his gushing comments in the various specials. That's balanced and reasonable.

Again, context. You say it's clearly jokes. I wouldn't even debate that they are jokes but it's the fact that he clearly has a superiority complex and a track record of this kind of behavior which would make me interpret any joke around nationality, race, gender etc. as him being display his ill will.

He clearly has a superiority complex, does he? In from left field with that one, with no sort of evidence whatsoever. And from that, you've concluded that his jokes - which are supposed to be a bit of fun; that's generally what a joke is - are actually displays of ill-will.

So what you're doing is picking a conclusion (he's got a superiority complex) and then backing it up by comments which you're now interpreting in light of your view that he's got a superiority complex.

That's nonsensical, I'm afraid.

The lazy rat · 17-03-2015 12:42PM

cdeb wrote: »

Actually, he's not. What he said was that the civil service guys who were striking actually had it very lucky - jobs for life and pensions at the end of it. So he was using hyperbole to get a point across.

But here, there's no insinuation of superiority or discrimination, which is essential to the racism claim. In particular, he can hardly be accused of making the Brits out to be superior when he gives out about their ineptitude more than most (see any episode where they drive a British-made car of the 70s or 80s, for example)

Lots of examples there. Thanks. And no nod towards his gushing comments in the various specials. That's balanced and reasonable.

He clearly has a superiority complex, does he? In from left field with that one, with no sort of evidence whatsoever. And from that, you've concluded that his jokes - which are supposed to be a bit of fun; that's generally what a joke is - are actually displays of ill-will.

So what you're doing is picking a conclusion (he's got a superiority complex) and then backing it up by comments which you're now interpreting in light of your view that he's got a superiority complex.

That's nonsensical, I'm afraid.

Hey fanboy mod. Tut tut. You're drunken idol exposed himself for what he is. Deal with it.

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-03-2015 12:55PM

fryup wrote: »

exactly, its all tongue in cheek, he's just playing up to his TV persona thats all

now if he actually punched this young guy now that is a different matter entirely and i'm interested in oisin tymon's side of the story

You see guys, that's the nub of the story. All that multi page multi quoting is just tl/dr

NachoBusiness · 17-03-2015 02:13PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Bigot: Claimed that strikers should be shot.

Yawn. Yawn. Yawn. Are people still quoting him out of context on this? Do you and others that keep bringing this up even understand what context is? Well if you don't, you're in good company as the amount of newspaper headlines that just quoted the second part of what he said, and not the first, was astounding.

What he actually said was that he enjoyed the effect the strikers had on the traffic, restaurants, airports on that day they protested and that he thought they were in fact fantastic. He then immediately followed that by highlighting the fact that the BBC must remain impartial on political matters and so said that he had now better say something negative about the strikers to balance what he had said previous, hence the 'They should all be taken outside and shot, how dare they protest' comment. The joke was therefore on the BBC, not the strikers.

Harry Palmr · 17-03-2015 02:49PM

Its rather tragic that certain people are happy to post with certainty from a position of apparent complete ignorance.

and keep on doing it

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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