Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Intifada · 16-03-2015 10:03AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I am not keen on it but the last time I looked there was nothing illegal there.

There was nothing illegal about a picture of William Wallace and Bobby Sands and Celtic got absolutely vilified for it.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2015 11:04AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

People in glass houses and all that

There's nothing wrong with the banner per se, it's not sectarian or anything like that. The point being made however that say at Parkhead there's a banner unfurled with the words of say Sean South or The Boys of the Old Brigade and imagery of Republican martyrs on it then there would be uproar in the media and gnashing of teeth etc.. Celtic FC would probably face sanction or there would be calls for that to happen.

We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at all.

Peter Lawwell got cornered by the media about Republican sympathies and connections with Celtic during a press conference to launch a new kit sponsored by an American company. As far as I can tell, nobody at The Rangers new board has been asked by the media about a mass display of sectarian singing in the recent League Cup Semi Final. If they're going to question these kinds of displays and songs then it has to be across the board.

For me the line should be drawn at whether something like a banner or a song is sectarian. That UVF banner and song isn't sectarian, The BOTB or ROH also aren't sectarian, but something like The Billy Boys is, and it's not hard to tell the difference. However there doesn't seem to be the appetite in Scottish society, with the FA authorities and most especially with the Scottish media, to really deal with it in a remotely fair and even handed manner.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-03-2015 03:16PM

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We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at.[/QUOTE]

I can't discuss anything in your post other than this. I don't believe I would say anything remotely like that so you either have me mixed up with someone else or if is s deliberate lie. No matter which my answer would be called a lie etc

Intifada · 16-03-2015 03:29PM

Perhaps a bit of a tangent but most people I've spoken to, regardless of their opinions of Irish politics, have found Loyalist paramilitaries to be objectively far worse than the IRA. That's not meant as an affront to Unionism either, just an observation of the way way they acted. Not to say there are angels on either side.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 03:35PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the banner per se, it's not sectarian or anything like that. The point being made however that say at Parkhead there's a banner unfurled with the words of say Sean South or The Boys of the Old Brigade and imagery of Republican martyrs on it then there would be uproar in the media and gnashing of teeth etc.. Celtic FC would probably face sanction or there would be calls for that to happen.

We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at all.

Peter Lawwell got cornered by the media about Republican sympathies and connections with Celtic during a press conference to launch a new kit sponsored by an American company. As far as I can tell, nobody at The Rangers new board has been asked by the media about a mass display of sectarian singing in the recent League Cup Semi Final. If they're going to question these kinds of displays and songs then it has to be across the board.

For me the line should be drawn at whether something like a banner or a song is sectarian. That UVF banner and song isn't sectarian, The BOTB or ROH also aren't sectarian, but something like The Billy Boys is, and it's not hard to tell the difference. However there doesn't seem to be the appetite in Scottish society, with the FA authorities and most especially with the Scottish media, to really deal with it in a remotely fair and even handed manner.

What? I know for a fact thats never been his viewpoint on that at all and I don't recall any poster on here ever saying that!

I honestly wonder if the people living in Ireland switch off to the media over here at times, there's been constant reference to the idiots in our support singing etc on the radio and in newspapers, just have to read journos twitter pages to see that.

Hell, we've even got the deputy editor of the Scotsman saying Rangers fans infiltrated the Dundee United support to sing the word fenian yesterday! But yet people assume the media only target Celtic.

Intifada · 16-03-2015 04:01PM

You would have some job arguing that a bigger scene is not made of it at one club than the other.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 04:35PM

Intifada wrote: »

You would have some job arguing that a bigger scene is not made of it at one club than the other.

I think people on one side are as paranoid about the media being against them as the people on the other side!

weldoninhio · 16-03-2015 04:57PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

I think people on one side are as paranoid about the media being against them as the people on the other side!

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-03-2015 05:19PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

Really there was a young guy jailed for four months last week for singing TBB
Tell me where is the convictions from your mob.

Intifada · 16-03-2015 05:22PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really there was a young guy jailed for four months last week for singing TBB
Tell me where is the convictions from your mob.

Our "mob" don't tend to sing songs that are illegal (not in stadiums at least). That is the pertinent difference here. Being up to your knees in fenian blood, sending the Irish home because their genocide is over etc are not comparable to celebrating a hunger striker - these are not songs of hate, and it is why the charges are laughed out of the courtroom.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:23PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:25PM

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

Intifada · 16-03-2015 05:28PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

What about when your fans threw a stroppy over a Microsoft clipart silhouette of a toy soldier shooting a zombie, claiming it was an IRA volunteer? :pac:

TheBuilder wrote: »

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

It matters more when Rangers do it because when they do it it is tens of thousands of them, and their club has a huge history of anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:29PM

Intifada wrote: »

Our "mob" don't tend to sing songs that are illegal (not in stadiums at least). That is the pertinent difference here. Being up to your knees in fenian blood, sending the Irish home because their genocide is over etc are not comparable to celebrating a hunger striker - these are not songs of hate, and it is why the charges are laughed out of the courtroom.

Yeah cos you don't sing songs supporting/glorifying terrorism/terrorists :rolleyes:

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:30PM

Intifada wrote: »

What about when your fans threw a stroppy over a Microsoft clipart silhouette of a toy soldier shooting a zombie, claiming it was an IRA volunteer? :pac:

It matters more when Rangers do it because when they do it it is tens of thousands of them, and their club has a huge history of anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry

That banner that no action was taken over, you mean?

You're basically saying its okay if other clubs do it, hypocrite.

Jelle1880 · 16-03-2015 05:30PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

What Dundee Utd fans ?

It was clear Rangers fans.

@KennyFarq: Didn't like hearing what I assume were Rangers infiltrators in Utd colours singing "up to our knees in Fenian blood" yesterday at Hampden.

That's the Deputy Editor of the Scotsman by the way.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:31PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What Dundee Utd fans ?

It was clear Rangers fans.

@KennyFarq: Didn't like hearing what I assume were Rangers infiltrators in Utd colours singing "up to our knees in Fenian blood" yesterday at Hampden.

That's the Deputy Editor of the Scotsman by the way.

Yeah I brought that up earlier while they were saying the media are all anti celtic :rolleyes:

Intifada · 16-03-2015 05:50PM

Perhaps it was a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that it is a song most frequently heard at Ibrox. When people think of anti Irish/Catholic bigotry they automatically think of Rangers. Why is that?

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 05:59PM

Intifada wrote: »

Perhaps it was a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that it is a song most frequently heard at Ibrox. When people think of anti Irish/Catholic bigotry they automatically think of Rangers. Why is that?

I think you'll find the song is sung in alot of stadiums in Scotland, be it Killie, Hibee or some other form of blood that people are up to their knees in.

Also don't know when it was last sang regularly at Ibrox, most of us are too speechless at the ****e we're watching!

weldoninhio · 16-03-2015 06:45PM

TheBuilder wrote: »

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-03-2015 06:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

Of course there is just take a trip to the six counties you will see KAH painted on many walls.
It is also used over in Scotland as a religious slur no matter what will be cited on here heard it all before and no it's not true

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 07:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

You joking?

Hun is used as an offensive term for Protestants, you're deluded if you think otherwise

weldoninhio · 16-03-2015 09:50PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Of course there is just take a trip to the six counties you will see KAH painted on many walls.
It is also used over in Scotland as a religious slur no matter what will be cited on here heard it all before and no it's not true

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Jelle1880 · 16-03-2015 10:12PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Most definitely not true.

TheBuilder · 16-03-2015 11:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Do you actually believe the ****e you write?!

Are you actually openly calling Rangers players Huns one the forum?

TheCitizen · 16-03-2015 11:07PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I can't discuss anything in your post other than this. I don't believe I would say anything remotely like that so you either have me mixed up with someone else or if is s deliberate lie. No matter which my answer would be called a lie etc

I recall this sort of narrative coming up on these pages when there was an issue over the "Roll of Honour" song that arised in Scotland in particular. In the course of the debate I recall this sort of narrative came up. May not have been yourself, if it wasn't apologies, there definitely was that narrative professed, I'll check it out if I can.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-03-2015 11:07PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

the term has been branded sectarian by a sheriff but it needs to be put into the Law books in Scotland it is a disgusting word for Protestants and is used in the six counties regularly.
Also why are Motherwell Killie hearts and other fans called it

weldoninhio · 16-03-2015 11:48PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

the term has been branded sectarian by a sheriff but it needs to be put into the Law books in Scotland it is a disgusting word for Protestants and is used in the six counties regularly.
Also why are Motherwell Killie hearts and other fans called it

I've heard Hearts fans called it, due to their behaviour. I've not heard other teams being called it. Again, Lorenzo Amoruso is not a protestant, nor Nacho Novo.

There have been many, many Protestant players and staff members through the gates at Celtic Park, they would not be considered huns.

Again, it blows your religious theory out the window. You have mentioned the 6 counties twice now. What has that got to do with Scottish football??

And it is fact that Celtic fans were called huns by the Rangers support, apparently due to the Irish revolutionaries of the times willingness to deal with the Germans (The Hun, as hey were widely known) during the war.

Your supports behaviour from Barcelona to Manchester and everywhere in between is to blame for your nickname, nothing else.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2015 11:49PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I can't discuss anything in your post other than this. I don't believe I would say anything remotely like that so you either have me mixed up with someone else or if is s deliberate lie. No matter which my answer would be called a lie etc

It was you alright.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Maybe so but these people are remembering there dead in there own country.
The simple fact is it is a song about members of proscribed organisations it is illegal under the law of the land to show any form of support it is also in the rules of the SFA / SPFL to show support in words etc of proscribed organisations under the Terrorism Act

SPFL regulations say action can be taken if a person present at a match uses "words or conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation or group proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act

Paully D · 16-03-2015 11:53PM

Looks like Dick Advocaat is taking over at Sunderland for the remainder of the season at least. Obviously it's going back a long, long time since he was at Rangers, but what do you lads think of him as a manager?

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