Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I am not keen on it but the last time I looked there was nothing illegal there.

There was nothing illegal about a picture of William Wallace and Bobby Sands and Celtic got absolutely vilified for it.

TheCitizen

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

People in glass houses and all that

There's nothing wrong with the banner per se, it's not sectarian or anything like that. The point being made however that say at Parkhead there's a banner unfurled with the words of say Sean South or The Boys of the Old Brigade and imagery of Republican martyrs on it then there would be uproar in the media and gnashing of teeth etc.. Celtic FC would probably face sanction or there would be calls for that to happen.

We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at all.

Peter Lawwell got cornered by the media about Republican sympathies and connections with Celtic during a press conference to launch a new kit sponsored by an American company. As far as I can tell, nobody at The Rangers new board has been asked by the media about a mass display of sectarian singing in the recent League Cup Semi Final. If they're going to question these kinds of displays and songs then it has to be across the board.

For me the line should be drawn at whether something like a banner or a song is sectarian. That UVF banner and song isn't sectarian, The BOTB or ROH also aren't sectarian, but something like The Billy Boys is, and it's not hard to tell the difference. However there doesn't seem to be the appetite in Scottish society, with the FA authorities and most especially with the Scottish media, to really deal with it in a remotely fair and even handed manner.

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We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at.[/QUOTE]

I can't discuss anything in your post other than this. I don't believe I would say anything remotely like that so you either have me mixed up with someone else or if is s deliberate lie. No matter which my answer would be called a lie etc

Perhaps a bit of a tangent but most people I've spoken to, regardless of their opinions of Irish politics, have found Loyalist paramilitaries to be objectively far worse than the IRA. That's not meant as an affront to Unionism either, just an observation of the way way they acted. Not to say there are angels on either side.

TheCitizen wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the banner per se, it's not sectarian or anything like that. The point being made however that say at Parkhead there's a banner unfurled with the words of say Sean South or The Boys of the Old Brigade and imagery of Republican martyrs on it then there would be uproar in the media and gnashing of teeth etc.. Celtic FC would probably face sanction or there would be calls for that to happen.

We've had this kind of conversation with you before and I recall I think your answer was something along the lines of "well it's not my cup of tea etc. but the UVF etc. profess to defend the country they live in whereas Republicans (who live outside of The Republic) attack it or have attacked it in the past etc." That really isn't a good enough response, doesn't cut it at all.

Peter Lawwell got cornered by the media about Republican sympathies and connections with Celtic during a press conference to launch a new kit sponsored by an American company. As far as I can tell, nobody at The Rangers new board has been asked by the media about a mass display of sectarian singing in the recent League Cup Semi Final. If they're going to question these kinds of displays and songs then it has to be across the board.

For me the line should be drawn at whether something like a banner or a song is sectarian. That UVF banner and song isn't sectarian, The BOTB or ROH also aren't sectarian, but something like The Billy Boys is, and it's not hard to tell the difference. However there doesn't seem to be the appetite in Scottish society, with the FA authorities and most especially with the Scottish media, to really deal with it in a remotely fair and even handed manner.

What? I know for a fact thats never been his viewpoint on that at all and I don't recall any poster on here ever saying that!

I honestly wonder if the people living in Ireland switch off to the media over here at times, there's been constant reference to the idiots in our support singing etc on the radio and in newspapers, just have to read journos twitter pages to see that.

Hell, we've even got the deputy editor of the Scotsman saying Rangers fans infiltrated the Dundee United support to sing the word fenian yesterday! But yet people assume the media only target Celtic.

You would have some job arguing that a bigger scene is not made of it at one club than the other.

Intifada wrote: »

You would have some job arguing that a bigger scene is not made of it at one club than the other.

I think people on one side are as paranoid about the media being against them as the people on the other side!

TheBuilder wrote: »

I think people on one side are as paranoid about the media being against them as the people on the other side!

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

Really there was a young guy jailed for four months last week for singing TBB
Tell me where is the convictions from your mob.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really there was a young guy jailed for four months last week for singing TBB
Tell me where is the convictions from your mob.

Our "mob" don't tend to sing songs that are illegal (not in stadiums at least). That is the pertinent difference here. Being up to your knees in fenian blood, sending the Irish home because their genocide is over etc are not comparable to celebrating a hunger striker - these are not songs of hate, and it is why the charges are laughed out of the courtroom.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Whatever about the media, where are the fines for sectarian singing? Stuart Regan basically washed his hands of it.

Where is the fine for the banner at the weekend??

It's all geared toward protecting one club.

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

TheBuilder wrote: »

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

What about when your fans threw a stroppy over a Microsoft clipart silhouette of a toy soldier shooting a zombie, claiming it was an IRA volunteer? :pac:

TheBuilder wrote: »

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

It matters more when Rangers do it because when they do it it is tens of thousands of them, and their club has a huge history of anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry

Intifada wrote: »

Our "mob" don't tend to sing songs that are illegal (not in stadiums at least). That is the pertinent difference here. Being up to your knees in fenian blood, sending the Irish home because their genocide is over etc are not comparable to celebrating a hunger striker - these are not songs of hate, and it is why the charges are laughed out of the courtroom.

Yeah cos you don't sing songs supporting/glorifying terrorism/terrorists :rolleyes:

Intifada wrote: »

What about when your fans threw a stroppy over a Microsoft clipart silhouette of a toy soldier shooting a zombie, claiming it was an IRA volunteer? :pac:

It matters more when Rangers do it because when they do it it is tens of thousands of them, and their club has a huge history of anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigotry

That banner that no action was taken over, you mean?

You're basically saying its okay if other clubs do it, hypocrite.

Jelle1880

TheBuilder wrote: »

Where's the condemnation of Dundee United fans for singing it yesterday? We'd usually have posts of outrage on here or does it only matter when Rangers fans do it?

What Dundee Utd fans ?

It was clear Rangers fans.

@KennyFarq: Didn't like hearing what I assume were Rangers infiltrators in Utd colours singing "up to our knees in Fenian blood" yesterday at Hampden.

That's the Deputy Editor of the Scotsman by the way.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What Dundee Utd fans ?

It was clear Rangers fans.

@KennyFarq: Didn't like hearing what I assume were Rangers infiltrators in Utd colours singing "up to our knees in Fenian blood" yesterday at Hampden.

That's the Deputy Editor of the Scotsman by the way.

Yeah I brought that up earlier while they were saying the media are all anti celtic :rolleyes:

Perhaps it was a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that it is a song most frequently heard at Ibrox. When people think of anti Irish/Catholic bigotry they automatically think of Rangers. Why is that?

Intifada wrote: »

Perhaps it was a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that it is a song most frequently heard at Ibrox. When people think of anti Irish/Catholic bigotry they automatically think of Rangers. Why is that?

I think you'll find the song is sung in alot of stadiums in Scotland, be it Killie, Hibee or some other form of blood that people are up to their knees in.

Also don't know when it was last sang regularly at Ibrox, most of us are too speechless at the ****e we're watching!

TheBuilder wrote: »

When did the SFA last fine Celtic for a banner? Regan washed his hands of the "hun" banner at the final as well.

Celtic are being pulled up by UEFA nobody else.

There is no protecting any club at all.

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

Of course there is just take a trip to the six counties you will see KAH painted on many walls.
It is also used over in Scotland as a religious slur no matter what will be cited on here heard it all before and no it's not true

weldoninhio wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with the word hun though? What was there to wash his hands of??

You joking?

Hun is used as an offensive term for Protestants, you're deluded if you think otherwise

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Of course there is just take a trip to the six counties you will see KAH painted on many walls.
It is also used over in Scotland as a religious slur no matter what will be cited on here heard it all before and no it's not true

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Jelle1880

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Most definitely not true.

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

Do you actually believe the ****e you write?!

Are you actually openly calling Rangers players Huns one the forum?

TheCitizen

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I can't discuss anything in your post other than this. I don't believe I would say anything remotely like that so you either have me mixed up with someone else or if is s deliberate lie. No matter which my answer would be called a lie etc

I recall this sort of narrative coming up on these pages when there was an issue over the "Roll of Honour" song that arised in Scotland in particular. In the course of the debate I recall this sort of narrative came up. May not have been yourself, if it wasn't apologies, there definitely was that narrative professed, I'll check it out if I can.

weldoninhio wrote: »

So it isn't true that Rangers supporters used to call Catholics Huns?? But now it's sectarian because it hurts your feelings now??

It is in no way religious.

Jock Stein - Protestant - Not a Hun
Lorenzo Amoruso - Catholic - Hun
Kenny Dalglish - Protestant - Not a Hun
Nacho Novo - Catholic - Hun

The list goes on and on and on.

the term has been branded sectarian by a sheriff but it needs to be put into the Law books in Scotland it is a disgusting word for Protestants and is used in the six counties regularly.
Also why are Motherwell Killie hearts and other fans called it