Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Discodog · 16-03-2015 02:11PM

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe losing his job, being sued for a small fortune and windin up with a criminal conviction would be just the wake up call he needs to turn his miserable life around

I have only his best interests at heart

Or leaving the BBC, taking May & Hammond with him as their contracts are about to expire.

ITV would pay a fortune for Top Gear let alone how much Sky might pay. It's an incredibly lucrative franchise.

Rather than being fired the BBC may end up begging him to stay.

Some people may hate him but millions don't.

dr.fuzzenstein · 16-03-2015 02:21PM

Discodog wrote: »

Or leaving the BBC, taking May & Hammond with him as their contracts are about to expire.

ITV would pay a fortune for Top Gear let alone how much Sky might pay. It's an incredibly lucrative franchise.

Rather than being fired the BBC may end up begging him to stay.

Some people may hate him but millions don't.

Well, he is pretty much a marmite presenter, there's not much middle ground in opinion regarding him.

lee_baby_simms · 16-03-2015 02:25PM

SeanW wrote: »

Of course, if it's the former, I'd wonder why you're in this thread ...

Because I have a problem with casual bigotry and racism being not only accepted but defended.

Thargor · 16-03-2015 02:28PM

Discodog wrote: »

Or leaving the BBC, taking May & Hammond with him as their contracts are about to expire.

ITV would pay a fortune for Top Gear let alone how much Sky might pay. It's an incredibly lucrative franchise.

Rather than being fired the BBC may end up begging him to stay.

Some people may hate him but millions don't.

They could have the 3 presenters but I dont think they'll be able to take the Top Gear brand, legally they might not even be able to imitate it under a different name either, not without paying big fees to the BBC anyway.

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 02:30PM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Because I have a problem with casual bigotry and racism being not only accepted but defended.

I don't think that's what's happening in this thread. What's happening is people coming in here to attack Clarkson because they don't like him. Most of the anti Clarkson posts have had little to do with the incident, and are mostly about how much people don't like Clarkson for a range of conflicting and unfounded reasons and then going on to call anyone that enjoys top gear a fool.

I don't think anyone has said Clarkson was entitled, or right to hit that guy and for the most part are just saying that Top Gear fans will follow Clarkson to his new show if the BBC let him go.

If people don't like Clarkson or Top Gear that's fine, but labeling everyone that like's top gear as stupid is the problem.

Mint Aero · 16-03-2015 02:38PM

Staggering figures coming in from last night as over 4 million people turn off their BBC sets. Absolutely mind boggling numbers as the BBC loses an enormous amount of viewers. It's been an epic disaster of titanic proportions.

Given the fact that Oisin in fairness isn't too bothered about the fraca but he is mortified at the way the media have blown it out of proportion. Clarkson was right to inform the bosses no matter how small the incident was.

But the BBC heads haven't a clue how to handle the situation and have been left rather red faced today.

tigger123 · 16-03-2015 02:38PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think that's what's happening in this thread. What's happening is people coming in here to attack Clarkson because they don't like him. Most of the anti Clarkson posts have had little to do with the incident, and are mostly about how much people don't like Clarkson for a range of conflicting and unfounded reasons and then going on to call anyone that enjoys top gear a fool.

I don't think anyone has said Clarkson was entitled, or right to hit that guy and for the most part are just saying that Top Gear fans will follow Clarkson to his new show if the BBC let him go.

If people don't like Clarkson or Top Gear that's fine, but labeling everyone that like's top gear as stupid is the problem.

He's an obnoxiuous f*cker that did an obnoxious thing. Of course people are gonna comment on him as much as the incident.

MugMugs · 16-03-2015 02:39PM

tigger123 wrote: »

He's an obnoxiuous f*cker that did an obnoxious thing. Of course people are gonna comment on him as much as the incident.

Has he actually admitted to striking that man ?

Mint Aero · 16-03-2015 02:40PM

tigger123 wrote: »

He's an obnoxiuous f*cker that did an obnoxious thing. Of course people are gonna comment on him as much as the incident.

To me that's a bit like saying Homer Simpson is an obnoxious f*cker. I think people have a hard time separating the reality from the persona they see on their tele box sets.

tigger123 · 16-03-2015 02:40PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

To me that's a bit like saying Homer Simpson is an obnoxious f*cke. I think people have a hard time separating the reality from the persona they see on their tele box sets.

If that's the image he presents to the world, then how else is he to be perceived?

jimgoose · 16-03-2015 02:49PM

ScumLord wrote: »

How is reviewing Nissan Micros going to be any less dull than driving a lamborghini across Europe?

This is a fairly typical Irish response, I have no interest in the topic so every one that does must be an idiot.

That and tax tax tax tax, diesel Kia tax tax tax commuter belt. Oh and, me house is fcuked wit de pyrite so 'tis, so I has ta commute to me Google on a Hyundai Segway!! :pac:

The Spider · 16-03-2015 02:52PM

Thargor wrote: »

They could have the 3 presenters but I dont think they'll be able to take the Top Gear brand, legally they might not even be able to imitate it under a different name either, not without paying big fees to the BBC anyway.

They can't take the Top Gear brand, but they can certainly do a similar magazine style show, in fact they could broaden the remit to all kinds of vehicles etc.

Fact is, Top Gear wont survive without Clarkson it's his show even the Stig is based on some name they called boys at his posh school.

However latest series are definitely tired and are starting to show their age, in fact as the three boys have made more and more money they seem to have become more condescending. There was a point around 2007-2009 where it was at it's height.

The three of them leaving and heading to another channel, may allow them to leave all the Top Gear format behind and try something new.

The BBC will try and push Top Gear without them anyway, but it'll fail, make no mistake people watch it for the banter between the three lads.

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 02:53PM

tigger123 wrote: »

He's an obnoxiuous f*cker

That's a matter of opinion, I like him, many others like him as well.

Thargor · 16-03-2015 02:55PM

jimgoose wrote: »

That and tax tax tax tax, diesel Kia tax tax tax commuter belt. Oh and, me house is fcuked wit de pyrite so 'tis, so I has ta commute to me Google on a Hyundai Segway!!

ScumLord wrote: »

How is reviewing Nissan Micros going to be any less dull than driving a lamborghini across Europe?

This is a fairly typical Irish response, I have no interest in the topic so every one that does must be an idiot.

Yes, those are the only choices for a car show, either braindead scripted muck like Top Gear or boring reviews of Nissan Micras, absolutely no other options.

Ive never seen a decent in depth review of a Tesla on tv, they could start there, cars are about to undergo as big an upheaval as any in the last hundred years.

That reminds me of another reason I hate Top Gear, the shameful way they tried to fake the Tesla Roadster being unreliable and running out of power, heads should have rolled for that.

cdeb · 16-03-2015 02:58PM

Thargor wrote: »

That reminds me of another reason I hate Top Gear, the shameful way they tried to fake the Tesla Roadster being unreliable and running out of power, heads should have rolled for that.

Even though Tesla sued and lost? (And more than once as well)

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 03:03PM

Thargor wrote: »

Ive never seen a decent in depth review of a Tesla on tv, they could start there, cars are about to undergo as big an upheaval as any in the last hundred years.

They've reviewed the Electric Mercedes SLS which is much more in line with the cars they have on the show.

The problem for Top Gear is they don't do many episodes, they're always a few months behind on new cars because of it. The Tesla hasn't really got much attention in European car media, maybe we're sore about the Yanks getting a useable electric car out before us?

If you're looking for a middle of the road car show fifth gear seems to be exactly what your looking for, some buying advice with some entertainment thrown in.

cdeb · 16-03-2015 03:09PM

ScumLord wrote: »

They've reviewed the Electric Mercedes SLS which is much more in line with the cars they have on the show.

Also the BMW i8

anncoates · 16-03-2015 03:11PM

Thank fcuk, moron/mob rule isn't the norm in other spheres.

People are basically saying that if enough people like a TV show, the presenter should be allowed to bully and strike staff as they like or say what they like about anybody.

Of course, however, you can bet a sizable percentage of these people are also the ones that toil long and hard in the Internet outrage mines about any infinitesimal abuse of power by cops, judges, politicians etc.

Muahahaha · 16-03-2015 03:15PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Clearly they're in the vast minority. You got a point?

lol,you had a point but its been clearly proven to be wrong by what people are tweeting about your hero Clarkson and the vile abuse leveled on Twitter at Oisin Tymon.

So well done on that

Mint Aero · 16-03-2015 03:20PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

lol,you had a point but its been clearly proven to be wrong by what people are tweeting about your hero Clarkson and the vile abuse leveled on Twitter at Oisin Tymon.

So well done on that

Mate I scoured the twitter for any abusive comments. I didn't find one. I don't have as much free time as you to find 3 comments over a 24hr period on twitter :rolleyes: clearly that's a vast minority. Anyone with a mathematical mind can see that. Therefore I'am correct.

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 03:22PM

anncoates wrote: »

Thank fcuk, moron/mob rule isn't the norm in other spheres.

People are basically saying that if enough people like a TV show, the presenter should be allowed to bully and strike staff as they like or say what they like about anybody.

Nope, again, that's not what people are saying. What Clarkson did was unacceptable, the guy he hit didn't deserve it and should be apologised to.

That doesn't take away from the fact that people enjoy top gear, enjoy Clarksons antics on the show and would continue to watch him. The fact Clarkson hit someone doesn't mean that people will continue to watch Top Gear if Clarkson was sacked out of some sort of social statement to make a point to Clarkson. What would happen if they fired him is that Clarkson would get a job elsewhere and take his millions of viewers with him.

And Again it's the anti Clarkson mob that have reduced to calling people with different interests, morons.

anncoates · 16-03-2015 03:24PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Mate I scoured the twitter for any abusive comments. I didn't find one.

While typing that, you're picturing yourself driving a sporty jag in stonewashed jeans and cable knit sweater while jauntily lofting a blokey middle finger at the outraged PC brigade, aren't you?

anncoates · 16-03-2015 03:26PM

ScumLord wrote: »

if Clarkson was sacked out of some sort of social statement to make a point to Clarkson. .

So if I punched somebody on my team and got sacked, it would be because of the snide machinations of PC convention, and not because I'm a intemperate bully?

You can dress it up all you like but you're essentially saying that he's too popular to be held accountable for his actions. By a state broadcasting authority, no less.

jimgoose · 16-03-2015 03:28PM

anncoates wrote: »

While typing that, you're picturing yourself driving a sporty jag in stonewashed jeans and cable knit sweater while jauntily lofting a blokey middle finger at the outraged PC brigade, aren't you?

I do that every day, chief. Except with Chinos.

anncoates · 16-03-2015 03:34PM

jimgoose wrote: »

I do that every day, chief. Except with Chinos.

I hope this happens to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUYRvli6PSQ

ScumLord · 16-03-2015 03:36PM

anncoates wrote: »

So if I punched somebody on my team and got sacked, it would be because of the snide machinations of PC convention, and not because I'm a intemperate bully?

No that sentence didn't read to well. What I meant was. If Clarkson gets fire the BBC can't expect people to continue to watch Top Gear just to get one over on Clarkson. People won't watch Top Gear because the BBC fired Clarkson, it's not going to draw in viewers, the fact is it's only going to drive them away from the show.

Top Gear is a business and firing Clarkson isn't the same as firing a regular employee. Firing Clarkson is more like apple abandoning a particular model of their phone because they had a technical problem with a few units. It will cost them all the customers that liked that particular model of phone. Clarkson draws in customers and I don't think there's enough customers that dislike Clarkson but love car shows to fill that gap.

Keeping clarkson on is a serious business decision not just a HR issue. Firing Clarkson could cost the guy who got hit his job in the long run if the shows popularity plummets.

jimgoose · 16-03-2015 03:36PM

anncoates wrote: »

I hope this happens to you...

Hard-top sham, no such luck.

tigger123 · 16-03-2015 03:48PM

ScumLord wrote: »

No that sentence didn't read to well. What I meant was. If Clarkson gets fire the BBC can't expect people to continue to watch Top Gear just to get one over on Clarkson. People won't watch Top Gear because the BBC fired Clarkson, it's not going to draw in viewers, the fact is it's only going to drive them away from the show.

Top Gear is a business and firing Clarkson isn't the same as firing a regular employee. Firing Clarkson is more like apple abandoning a particular model of their phone because they had a technical problem with a few units. It will cost them all the customers that liked that particular model of phone. Clarkson draws in customers and I don't think there's enough customers that dislike Clarkson but love car shows to fill that gap.

Keeping clarkson on is a serious business decision not just a HR issue. Firing Clarkson could cost the guy who got hit his job in the long run if the shows popularity plummets.

I'm sure he could get other work in BBC should that happen.

anncoates · 16-03-2015 03:52PM

ScumLord wrote: »

No that sentence didn't read to well. What I meant was. If Clarkson gets fire the BBC can't expect people to continue to watch Top Gear just to get one over on Clarkson. People won't watch Top Gear because the BBC fired Clarkson, it's not going to draw in viewers, the fact is it's only going to drive them away from the show.

Top Gear is a business and firing Clarkson isn't the same as firing a regular employee. Firing Clarkson is more like apple abandoning a particular model of their phone because they had a technical problem with a few units. It will cost them all the customers that liked that particular model of phone. Clarkson draws in customers and I don't think there's enough customers that dislike Clarkson but love car shows to fill that gap.

Keeping clarkson on is a serious business decision not just a HR issue. Firing Clarkson could cost the guy who got hit his job in the long run if the shows popularity plummets.

I understand all that but the implications are the same: whatever he does or says must be condoned to protect the profitability of the brand.

So far, that's racist comments and alleged assault of subordinates that must be considered as collateral damage order to protect ratings.

So for example, if you read that the director of a large corporation or bank here made racist comments or punched a cleaner, then that's OK as he's probably responsible for more financial turnover than Top Gear right?

Ranchu · 16-03-2015 03:59PM

I don't think he's as irreplaceable as people think he is. He's appealing to a large demographic that many middle aged male presenters could easily do as well.

Obviously he's wildly popular but I'd imagine a new Top Gear on the BBC would do well with a similar line up. The three of them are hardly breaking new ground every week as it stands.

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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