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the evasion_kid · 14-03-2015 12:28AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

If you think "women" are deluded then you have to question the fact and possibility that you are the one who is deluded.

Even going by your posts here. You come across as angry and bitter, almost envious of women. If you approach women with the same attitude, their reactions to you will only reinforce your views in your head.

Most woman don't hate men, they don't hate sex, they are not against you. In many ways women are more like men than you think. You need to try to relate to women rather than fear and compete with them. I'm just going by the impression you are giving me in the posts.

Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples:

"You're bitter!"
"You need to get over your anger at women."
"You are so negative!"

lavdad · 14-03-2015 12:28AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

You seem to be more concerned with playing the man rather than the ball.

Women tend to dish out Ad homs and straw mans to the inverse extent they dish out replies on dating sites to messages under 4 paragraphs and guys <6'

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 12:32AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

All the guys on these threads who complain about their bad luck with dating and sex mostly seem to display the same bitterness and general bad attitude towards women. It's not rocket science to see why women don't want to sleep with them.

For sake of argument Let's assume these guys are bitter, how do you know it wasn't the lack of success with women that caused their bitterness. On what basis are you coming to these sweeping conclusions?

When you jump to conclusions like that you completely overlook the issue being put forward.

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 12:37AM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples:

"You're bitter!"
"You need to get over your anger at women."
"You are so negative!"

The target hit out with a "women are deluded with their sexuality" statement. In that case a code red is the standard response

And it wasn't an attack on him. I am trying to explain to him how he's coming across and those are the reasons women are going to react negatively towards him.

lavdad · 14-03-2015 12:40AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

The target hit out with a "women are deluded with their sexuality" statement. In that case a code red is the standard response

And it wasn't an attack on him. I am trying to explain to him how he's coming across and those are the reasons women are going to react negatively towards him.

I said "Women are in general utterly deluded when it comes to sexuality.", you should be a straw man manufacturer

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 12:41AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

For sake of argument Let's assume these guys are bitter, how do you know it wasn't the lack of success with women that caused their bitterness. On what basis are you coming to these sweeping conclusions?

When you jump to conclusions like that you completely overlook the issue being put forward.

Even if it was lack of success, it does not give reason to be bitter. Bitterness will just affect the man himself and if that was the case he needs to find a better way to deal with rejection. He himself and for himself has nothing to gain from becoming bitter and will just push people away which opens him up for more rejection.

14-03-2015 12:41AM

lavdad wrote: »

Women tend to dish out Ad homs and straw mans to the inverse extent they dish out replies on dating sites to messages under 4 paragraphs and guys <6'

I do think there is an element of that to be honest, however how do you get across that you perceived some of the men to have a different attitude to woman that the 'average man' ( bad choice of words I know but the best I could think of ) and on average its a negative attitude towards woman.

KomradeBishop · 14-03-2015 12:42AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

All the guys on these threads who complain about their bad luck with dating and sex mostly seem to display the same bitterness and general bad attitude towards women. It's not rocket science to see why women don't want to sleep with them.

Hell the majority of them are probably the one guy.

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 12:42AM

lavdad wrote: »

I said "Women are in general utterly deluded when it comes to sexuality.", you should be a straw man manufacturer

What proof do you have that women in general are deluded other than your own deluded opinion?

dark crystal · 14-03-2015 12:42AM

lavdad wrote: »

I said "Women are in general utterly deluded when it comes to sexuality.", you should be a straw man manufacturer

Explain what you mean by that statement before accusing someone else of throwing out straw mans.

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 12:43AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Even if it was lack of success, it does not give reason to be bitter. Bitterness will just affect the man himself and if that was the case he needs to find a better way to deal with rejection. He himself and for himself has nothing to gain from becoming bitter and will just push people away which opens him up for more rejection.

Yes I agree, but why the need to make personal jibes, much like what you'ver said above, it only serves to make people more resistant to listen to your side of the argument.

lavdad · 14-03-2015 12:44AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

What proof do you have that women in general are deluded other than your own deluded opinion?

They really want to portray that men and women have it equally easy when it comes to getting sex with the opposite sex. Are you denying that this position is delusional?

One eyed Jack · 14-03-2015 12:44AM

lavdad wrote: »

Women tend to dish out Ad homs and straw mans to the inverse extent they dish out replies on dating sites to messages under 4 paragraphs and guys <6'

"I don't do sweeping generalisations and fallacies, but if I did... they'd be the best sweeping generalisations and fallacies in the world"

Honestly, it's like you're just throwing stuff out there and it has nothing to do with the discussion other than evidence of the fact that there's a common theme to the type of posts which cast silly and misguided generalisations upon all women, and anyone who doesn't share your opinion must be a woman too.

Is there a reason for the attitude?

Genuine question btw.

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 12:50AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

Yes I agree, but why the need to make personal jibes, much like what you'ver said above, it only serves to make people more resistant to listen to your side of the argument.

They were not jibes. Like I said I am explaining to the guy how he comes across so that he understands mine and possibly other women's reaction to him. It can be very difficult to have a conversation with someone who has such a negative preconceived view and I imagine that if this is how he approaches women then they are not going to make much effort to get to know him or give him a chance. Perhaps he would be able to see or agree with some things and make an effort to change how he comes across or try to see it from the womans perspective and see how that goes for him.

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 12:53AM

lavdad wrote: »

They really want to portray that men and women have it equally easy when it comes to getting sex with the opposite sex. Are you denying that this position is delusional?

There are many obstacles for both sexes when it comes to getting it with the opposite sex. That opinion does not make me or women in general deluded.

the evasion_kid · 14-03-2015 12:54AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

The target hit out with a "women are deluded with their sexuality" statement. In that case a code red is the standard response

And it wasn't an attack on him. I am trying to explain to him how he's coming across and those are the reasons women are going to react negatively towards him.

Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) - The Sour Grapes Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of explaining away his own failures and/or dissatisfaction by blaming women for his problems. Example:
"You are just bitter because you can't get laid."

Response: In this case, it must be asked if it really matters how one arrives at the truth. In other words, one may submit to the accuser, "What if the grapes really are sour?" At any rate, the Code Purple shaming tactic is an example of what is called "circumstantial ad hominem."

:pac:

nokia69 · 14-03-2015 01:01AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

There are many obstacles for both sexes when it comes to getting it with the opposite sex. That opinion does not make me or women in general deluded.

but when you continue to deny things that are backed by a mountain of empirical evidence then you come across as deluded

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 01:01AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

There are many obstacles for both sexes when it comes to getting it with the opposite sex. That opinion does not make me or women in general deluded.

You keep doing this. No one said anyone is deluded if they think both parties have many obstacles when it comes to getting with the opposite sex. That's a complete non sequitur.

One eyed Jack · 14-03-2015 01:03AM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Charge of Irascibility (Code Red)

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) - The Sour Grapes Charge

Code Red? Code Purple?

Is this some sort of Return of Kings nonsense in response to that whole women posting the colour of their underwear on social media?

I never got the memo, that makes me feel code blue

Code Brown and we're all fcuked! :pac:

dark crystal · 14-03-2015 01:04AM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) - The Sour Grapes Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of explaining away his own failures and/or dissatisfaction by blaming women for his problems. Example:
"You are just bitter because you can't get laid."

Response: In this case, it must be asked if it really matters how one arrives at the truth. In other words, one may submit to the accuser, "What if the grapes really are sour?" At any rate, the Code Purple shaming tactic is an example of what is called "circumstantial ad hominem."

:pac:

Add to that the homosexual clause:

A man must be a homosexual if he disagrees with the perceived wisdom that women have a sexuality delusion. Said sexuality delusion is thus; Men need to get their hole more than women, but find it harder. Women are too stoopid and entitled to realise this fact.

Response: Are you gay though?

The code pink accusatory tactic.

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 01:07AM

I 'd be one of the first to recognise how strong a woman's sex drive can be having read Nancy Fridays books, but it is simply not the case that women's sex drives are as consistently strong as mens on average.to think otherwise is indeed deluded.

the evasion_kid · 14-03-2015 01:07AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Code Red? Code Purple?

Is this some sort of Return of Kings nonsense in response to that whole women posting the colour of their underwear on social media?

I never got the memo, that makes me feel code blue

Code Brown and we're all fcuked! :pac:

Charge of Fanaticism (Code Brown) - The Brown Shirts Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of subscribing to an intolerant, extremist ideology or of being devoted to an ignorant viewpoint

They must have seen your type before :pac:

One eyed Jack · 14-03-2015 01:08AM

nokia69 wrote: »

but when you continue to deny things that are backed by a mountain of empirical evidence then you come across as deluded

You only have to look at the "fed up with being single" thread in this forum to see who posts more, men or women, and you get a general sense of the attitudes too.

I'll leave it up to yourself to draw your own conclusions.

(Hey if other posters can use PI and r/deadbedrooms as examples of "evidence") :rolleyes:

dark crystal · 14-03-2015 01:09AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

I 'd be one of the first to recognise how strong a woman's sex drive can be having read Nancy Fridays books, but it is simply not the case that women's sex drives are as consistently strong as mens on average.to think otherwise is indeed deluded.

Sexuality is a huge subject. It is not confined to how often one needs to get their end away. To reduce the definition of sexuality to such a narrow confine is delusional in itself.

Saralee4 · 14-03-2015 01:09AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

You keep doing this. No one said anyone is deluded if they think both parties have many obstacles when it comes to getting with the opposite sex. That's a complete non sequitur.

Ah come now your having a joke. Read the post where he explains his reasons for saying women in general are deluded and then make your own assumption of my response based on that.

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 01:11AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Sexuality is a huge subject. It is not confined to how often one needs to get their end away. To reduce the definition of sexuality to such a narrow confine is delusional in itself.

I never reduced sexuality to merely how often one "gets their end away". I don'the know why you're quoting me. Indeed women in my opinion have more depth to their sensuality, that's why they get turned on by watching animals have sex whereas men don't.

Ogniochialli · 14-03-2015 01:13AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Ah come now your having a joke. Read the post where he explains his reasons for saying women in general are deluded and then make your own assumption of my response based on that.

He said women are deluded if they think women don't find it easier to get sex.

dark crystal · 14-03-2015 01:15AM

Ogniochialli wrote: »

I never reduced security to merely how often one "gets their end away". I don'the know why you're quoting me.

It's been explained countless times now why and where sexuality has been defined as such. I was quoting you, as you were addressing the sex drive argument in your post.

Indeed women in my opinion have more depth to their sensuality, that's why they get turned on by watching animals have sex whereas men don't.

They what now??

KomradeBishop · 14-03-2015 01:15AM

dark crystal wrote: »

Sexuality is a huge subject. It is not confined to how often one needs to get their end away. To reduce the definition of sexuality to such a narrow confine is delusional in itself.

While, again, I'm loathe to be on the opposing 'side' in this debate, it really doesn't seem to be controversial to say that women in general tend to have a greater ability to achieve both sex and relationships - and that there really is a big gender disparity here (I don't think 'sex drive' comes into it at all though - don't know why focus has shifted to that).

It's really odd how this seems to be denied, or how posters sometimes engage in whataboutery to try and discredit the idea - it shouldn't really be all that controversial, but does in the end seem to be.

nokia69 · 14-03-2015 01:16AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You only have to look at the "fed up with being single" thread in this forum to see who posts more, men or women, and you get a general sense of the attitudes too.

I'll leave it up to yourself to draw your own conclusions.

(Hey if other posters can use PI and r/deadbedrooms as examples of "evidence") :rolleyes:

I never looked at it, its on the first page most days but I have yet to click it

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