People who hire hookers?

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:48PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think that for some men the feeling of power and control that comes with basically 'buying' a woman's body to use how they see fit is part of the attraction. It's not just about the sex for those people.

that sounds more like something a feminist would say not a man

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 09:50PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

There you go guys. Now we can all get out supermodel girlfriends. Just walk up and create sexual tension and she'll believe it and feel it. It's that easy.

Are you saying that it is not possible to become attracted to someone from their charisma and charm, confidence and security in themselves ?? For women this is a big factor in attraction.

Im not saying you will definitely get something from that personally but you definitely wont if you go up to people whining and being generally miserable. You also have to act like you don't need it.

Women are tricked into sleeping with men all the time that they would not necessarily find attractive looks wise in the beginning but they use charm. its what players do.

in terms of tricking someone to think you are good in bed, it is very possible to trick someone to believe that you are good in bed. you change their perception of you and this is what one eyed jack was referring to when discussing the topic with nokia69 - which lead to my comments to him.

Colser · 13-03-2015 09:50PM

I think that it may be all (or a lot) down to the seemingly fundamental difference between most men and women.Men dont seem to be put off by the fact that the escort is more than likely putting on a performance purely for money,as long as he gets the happy ending he couldnt care less what she thinks about him but for most women if we thought that a man is faking it and doesnt actually fancy us it just wont happen.That may be the reason why women find it difficult to understand that a man has no prob paying for it .

With regards to the view that escorts are better at it well of course that stands to reason..its their job ..I make an effort to clean my house but if I was being paid to clean someone elses house I would do a much better job(if that makes sense :pac:)

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:52PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Are you saying that it is not possible to become attracted to someone from their charisma and charm, confidence and security in themselves ?? For women this is a big factor in attraction.

Im not saying you will definitely get something from that personally but you definitely wont if you go up to people whining and being generally miserable. You also have to act like you don't need it.

Women are tricked into sleeping with men all the time that they would not necessarily find attractive looks wise in the beginning but they use charm. its what players do.

in terms of tricking someone to think you are good in bed, it is very possible to trick someone to believe that you are good in bed. you change their perception of you.

a man can seduce a woman into sleeping with him, happens all the time

but its not possible to fool a woman into believing that bad sex was good

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 09:53PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

Despite the rather aggressive claim that "Women have all the power", women who aren't facially blessed aren't easily getting together with men, let alone "high quality" (I presume this means good-looking, sexually attractive) men either.
When I was a teenager I wasn't pretty at all - very plain, and not a hope could I get a boyfriend.
I certainly didn't resent boys for not fancying me though.

Has anyone here said they resented women? Genuine question.

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 09:56PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think that for some men the feeling of power and control that comes with basically 'buying' a woman's body to use how they see fit is part of the attraction. It's not just about the sex for those people.

On what basis have you formed this opinion?

lavdad · 13-03-2015 09:59PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

There is a very real gender disparity here, which unfortunately, seems to get denied a lot - I'm not sure why there's a lot of denial on that topic either.

I would say it's because women reared in our culture often tend to develop a complex wherein they cling in every possible instance to the notion that men have it easier in life. In reality this is to cover up a deeper issue of inferiority in regards their feminine nature. In other words, feminist ideology is why.

Baby Jane · 13-03-2015 10:03PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

While I definitely don't want to come down on the side of defending that claim, I think it's true that (excuse the generalization) women have an easier time with sex and relationships than guys

I 100% agree with you. I started to get better looking, my shape went from gangly to curvy (not a euphemism for fat before someone says it), I had make-up, hair products, nylon tights that make your legs look great, high heels, etc etc.
It's nearly always expected of guys to do the asking out and the chatting up, and it must be AWFUL for a lot of them having to do this in bars and stuff. Plus, a lot of women can be horrible bitches to them, which I really detest - talk about letting the side down. And it's deemed more acceptable for women to get stroppy and overly emotional and so on.

But discussion about this can be done without the blatant hostility towards women in general, which is the case with some comments (by the same handful of people) over and over on this thread. They would be quick to object if there was a thread expressing similar resentment towards men. And none of the women posting to this thread seem to be attacking men, despite the apparent awfulness of the female gender overall.

And I don't agree that women who aren't blessed in the looks department still have it "kind of" easy - some of the most venomous comments I hear about looks are about women.
And while an "ugly" woman might get laid, if the lad is dashing out the door at 7am in sober horror, it's hardly a compliment to her! It's just a drunken and relieving shag - hardly flattering. The stuff about the last gasp at 2am with the fat girl - not something any woman is going to feel honoured to be a part of.

Sure there are those women who are obese and act as though they're absolute goddesses (morto for them too) - it's all that stupid "You go girl!" stuff - but let them carry on deluding themselves, it doesn't mean "quality" men are going to fall for it.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 10:03PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Are you saying that it is not possible to become attracted to someone from their charisma and charm, confidence and security in themselves ?? For women this is a big factor in attraction.

Im not saying you will definitely get something from that personally but you definitely wont if you go up to people whining and being generally miserable. You also have to act like you don't need it.

Women are tricked into sleeping with men all the time that they would not necessarily find attractive looks wise in the beginning but they use charm. its what players do.

in terms of tricking someone to think you are good in bed, it is very possible to trick someone to believe that you are good in bed. you change their perception of you and this is what one eyed jack was referring to when discussing the topic with nokia69 - which lead to my comments to him.

I'm not saying it's impossible for below average guys to date stunning women. I'm saying, as a below average guy who is very social, has 3000+ friends on facebook, goes out 2-3 times a week at least etc, it's very very difficult. And I resent anyone telling me im whining or there is "something wrong" with me at all. I'm very much socially intelligent and have a vast network of friends and many close friends. In the real world I don't see those stunning types with too many below average guys im afraid. It it happened, there wouldn't be an escort business.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 10:04PM

nokia69 wrote: »

well could you do me a favour, how can I trick a woman into thinking that I was an amazing lover

I mean she's lying on the bed after a mediocre shag which resulted in no orgasm for her and she knows I was piss poor

so how do I trick her because I don't believe its possible

Can you hold on a minute I'll go ask someone who should know, she's known me 17 years which should give her some insight, damned if I could tell you how she puts up with me...

Ehh, yeah, she just said she doesn't know how she puts up with me either

Awkward :pac:

13-03-2015 10:04PM

nokia69 wrote: »

that sounds more like something a feminist would say not a man

A lot of feminist believe that woman have a right to do what they like with their own bodies including selling sex if they want.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 10:06PM

mariaalice wrote: »

A lot of feminist believe that woman have a right to do what they like with their own bodies including selling sex if they want.

yeah and I never said different

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 10:08PM

nokia69 wrote: »

a man can seduce a woman into sleeping with him, happens all the time

but its not possible to fool a woman into believing that bad sex was good

have you ever been turned on by something someone did one day and then the next time they do it, it was not as enjoyable?

The person may used the exact same technique but your view of the event or whatever was going on in your head changed. Even though the physical act could have been exactly the same, for some reason you didn't enjoy it.

If you can make someone believe that the sex is going to be good, then they will more than likely think that it is good, because they believe it is going to be good. if you can 'sell yourself' as a good sexual partner then there is a good chance that the person will believe that, if they believe that, then the will experience that in their own world. That is the point that jack was making earlier about sex workers tricking people and advertising themselves as 'pros' or 'the best sex ever' etc.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 10:09PM

I think more and more the stigma on men visiting escorts will reduce. We see more and more of womens "sexual liberation" and many feminists are all about women doing what they want with their bodies, including selling them for sex. We need to stamp out the judgement on men who frequent hookers.

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 10:09PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I'm not saying it's impossible for below average guys to date stunning women. I'm saying, as a below average guy who is very social, has 3000+ friends on facebook, goes out 2-3 times a week at least etc, it's very very difficult. And I resent anyone telling me im whining or there is "something wrong" with me at all. I'm very much socially intelligent and have a vast network of friends and many close friends. In the real world I don't see those stunning types with too many below average guys im afraid. It it happened, there wouldn't be an escort business.

What hostility towards women have you seen?

I do agree with your point that many sexually frustrated men think women have it easier than they actually do in reality. They make the same mistake as women often do about men and that's project their own wants, needs and desires to the opposite sex. Men and women are built differently. Most women don't care that they can easily get sex, it doesn'the hold much value to women. For a start they can'trust easily get sex with whom they want or a relationship with whom they want and that holds much more value to women generally speaking of course and in my opinion.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 10:11PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

have you ever been turned on by something someone did one day and then the next time they do it, it was not as enjoyable?

The person may used the exact same technique but your view of the event or whatever was going on in your head changed. Even though the physical act could have been exactly the same, for some reason you didn't enjoy it.

If you can make someone believe that the sex is going to be good, then they will more than likely think that it is good, because they believe it is going to be good. if you can 'sell yourself' as a good sexual partner then there is a good chance that the person will believe that, if they believe that, then the will experience that in their own world. That is the point that jack was making earlier about sex workers tricking people and advertising themselves as 'pros' or 'the best sex ever' etc.

yes thats all true

but its NOT possible to trick some into thinking that a bad shag was a good shag

this is simple stuff really

lavdad · 13-03-2015 10:16PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I think more and more the stigma on men visiting escorts will reduce. We see more and more of womens "sexual liberation" and many feminists are all about women doing what they want with their bodies, including selling them for sex. We need to stamp out the judgement on men who frequent hookers.

I don't think that will happen. The conflation of escorting and human trafficking is something that should be done away with (although it mostly exists only in the heads of feminists who see everything as a form of patriarchal oppression) but the stigma around men visiting prostitutes isn't about any apparent moral wrongdoing, but rather the fact that men are expected to at least pretend they're able to fulfill their sexual desires with willing women, it's a sign of one's worthiness as a male in our culture.

ceadaoin. · 13-03-2015 10:16PM

nokia69 wrote: »

that sounds more like something a feminist would say not a man

Ok. And what's your point? There are many reasons that men pay for sex. It's not a stretch to think that could be one of them for some men. Note I said 'some men', not 'all'.

lavdad · 13-03-2015 10:21PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

What hostility towards women have you seen?

I do agree with your point that many sexually frustrated men think women have it easier than they actually do in reality. They make the same mistake as women often do about men and that's project their own wants, needs and desires to the opposite sex. Men and women are built differently. Most women don't care that they can easily get sex, it doesn'the hold much value to women. For a start they can'trust easily get sex with whom they want or a relationship with whom they want and that holds much more value to women generally speaking of course and in my opinion.

The point is, women never have to deal with true involuntary celibacy. Sure some women may feel sexually unsatisfied, but they have options they are failing to choose. They cannot relate to the experience of having strong sexual desires without having any possible outlet.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 10:22PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I'm not saying it's impossible for below average guys to date stunning women. I'm saying, as a below average guy who is very social, has 3000+ friends on facebook, goes out 2-3 times a week at least etc, it's very very difficult. And I resent anyone telling me im whining or there is "something wrong" with me at all. I'm very much socially intelligent and have a vast network of friends and many close friends. In the real world I don't see those stunning types with too many below average guys im afraid. It it happened, there wouldn't be an escort business.

This is not the same discussion I was having with nokia69 that you joined in, but I understand what you are saying.

You judge a woman and want a 'stunning' above average woman but you admit that you are a 'below average guy'. You feel entitled to a 'stunning' above average woman but what have you to offer her?

If you think she is shunning you because you are below average man and you feel hard done by because of that then how do you think the below average woman feels at the fact you don't want her, you want the stunning girl who doesn't want you?

The stunning girl probably doesn't want the below average guy no that is true.

But the below average man doesn't want the below average woman.

Its not anyones fault. But men are not victims here in this scenario.

(just to note I personally think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and do not class put classes on people, I am merely attracted to some people more so than others, I am using these terms to level and communicate with the other posters views)

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 10:23PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Ok. And what's your point? There are many reasons that men pay for sex. It's not a stretch to think that could be one of them for some men. Note I said 'some men', not 'all'.

true

but I have never once heard any man claim that he was buying the woman and thats what he liked or wanted to do

most men see it as paying for a service, if you read what feminists have to say about men who pay for sex they almost always claim the woman are being bought and sold, its standard feminist rhetoric, its very easy to spot

feminists think that they have a good understanding of men but its clear that many of them don't

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 10:23PM

nokia69 wrote: »

yes thats all true

but its NOT possible to trick some into thinking that a bad shag was a good shag

this is simple stuff really

It's entirely possible, sure women have been doing it to men since he clubbed her over the head and dragged her back to his cave, I don't think she was too happy about it, but the only way to get him to feck off was to have him think he was the best she's ever had... :rolleyes:

I'm joking of course, but yes, it's entirely possible, for both genders, for anyone, to convince the other person that though the physical act hadn't rocked their world, they can still be manipulated into thinking they had a good time.

Wouldn't be the sort of thing I'd encourage though, personally speaking.

Baby Jane · 13-03-2015 10:24PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

Has anyone here said they resented women? Genuine question.

Why would someone have to literally say it?
To see no hostility and resentment (not just the guy who was banned) here, with all the posts about how untrustworthy women are likely to be, is delusion on a grand scale.

the evasion_kid · 13-03-2015 10:25PM

lavdad wrote: »

The point is, women never have to deal with true involuntary celibacy. Sure some women may feel sexually unsatisfied, but they have options they are failing to choose. They cannot relate to the experience of having strong sexual desires without having any possible outlet.

There's claims that 80% of women sleep with the top 20% of men. I think there was a study done on this in a us college

Mister Vain · 13-03-2015 10:26PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

What is wrong about some of the posts here, is being in denial about the situation and claiming that the reason you go is because hookers in general are better and normal women just don't cut it.

Ohh absolutely, I think a lot of men who frequent prostitutes are just trying to justify why they do it. Although in saying that, if a man was to visit the same prostitute multiple times, then I'd imagine the sex would improve as he'd start to get comfortable with her and she'd know what he likes. It's the same with a regular relationship but in a relationship you have the added pleasure of knowing that the other person is enjoying it too.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 10:27PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's entirely possible, sure women have been doing it to men since he clubbed her over the head and dragged her back to his cave, I don't think she was too happy about it, but the only way to get him to feck off was to have him think he was the best she's ever had... :rolleyes:

I'm joking of course, but yes, it's entirely possible, for both genders, for anyone, to convince the other person that though the physical act hadn't rocked their world, they can still be manipulated into thinking they had a good time.

Wouldn't be the sort of thing I'd encourage though, personally speaking.

in that situation the woman has tricked the man into thinking that HE was a good shag and that she enjoyed it

but for her the sex was terrible and the man can never trick her into thinking otherwise

lavdad · 13-03-2015 10:32PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

This is not the same discussion I was having with nokia69 that you joined in, but I understand what you are saying.

You judge a woman and want a 'stunning' above average woman but you admit that you are a 'below average guy'. You feel entitled to a 'stunning' above average woman but what have you to offer her?

If you think she is shunning you because you are below average man and you feel hard done by because of that then how do you think the below average woman feels at the fact you don't want her, you want the stunning girl who doesn't want you?

The stunning girl probably doesn't want the below average guy no that is true.

But the below average man doesn't want the below average woman.

Its not anyones fault. But men are not victims here in this scenario.

(just to note I personally think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and do not class put classes on people, I am merely attracted to some people more so than others, I am using these terms to level and communicate with the other posters views)

Why are you implying this one man's intentions represent all men's? (Ignoring the fact he stated he had on several occasions gotten with women on his own level and felt appreciative to do so).

It is women who can punch well above their weight easily when it comes to casual sex, they are the ones with the power. The average female has FAR more sex appeal to the average man than the average man does to the average women. Men generally take whatever they can get sexually, whereas women are in a situation of having a lot of sexual options hence they pick out the best ones.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 10:32PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

There's claims that 80% of women sleep with the top 20% of men. I think there was a study done on this in a us college

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

yeah its the Pareto principle, I don't know if its exactly 80-20 but its clear that a smaller number of men have sex with a larger number of women

but don't tell that to the feminists, they think men and women are the same

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 10:36PM

lavdad wrote: »

Why are you implying this one man's intentions represent all men's? (Ignoring the fact he stated he had on several occasions gotten with women on his own level and felt appreciative to do so).

It is women who can punch well above their weight easily when it comes to casual sex, they are the ones with the power. The average female has FAR more sex appeal to the average man than the average man does to the average women. Men generally take whatever they can get sexually, whereas women are in a situation of having a lot of sexual options hence they pick out the best ones.

im not implying that it is all men?? not sure why you think that.

perhaps it is the this belief that women are in power that make the hooker more desirable to certain men.

when people learn to stop comparing women and men, hookers and women, average women and stunning women and worrying about who has the power, the world will be a much better place and we will all be a lot happier. :rolleyes:

lavdad · 13-03-2015 10:38PM

nokia69 wrote: »

yeah its the Pareto principle, I don't know if its exactly 80-20 but its clear that a smaller number of men have sex with a larger number of women

but don't tell that to the feminists, they think men and women are the same

Yes it works just like a marketplace where women are the one's already having something and looking to profit from it and men are the one's lacking something and looking to attain it. But women often tend to deny this and say men and women are equal and cry about double standards which aren't double standard because it's two different, in fact opposite, sets of behaviors in the equation.

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