People who hire hookers?

lavdad · 13-03-2015 08:46PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You're right, I wouldn't, because I don't see the two scenarios as being in any way comparable, and what is actually oversimplifying, is comparing the two scenarios as you've just done.

It was meant to be simple as it was an analogy. Whereas you were implying that escorting is redundant because sex is abundant for all but some are just too lazy.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 08:49PM

nokia69 wrote: »

I don't think so

they pay the money first and there is no guarantee or claim that paying extra will result in better sex

Whoa, you just made the earth move...

Oh, that was just you moving the goalposts in suggesting earlier that paying for the experience it was more likely that the experience would be better, and now you're arguing that paying for the experience is no guarantee that it would be better...

I don't know about you, but my mind is blown trying to get my head around that sort of flip-flop style of argument.

if the sex was good or not can only be decided at the end, and its not possible to trick someone into believing that a bad shag was good

On that I'm afraid, we'll have to agree to differ. Hell, at least it's not the worst thing could happen, and better than nothing, right?

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 08:55PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Whoa, you just made the earth move...

Oh, that was just you moving the goalposts in suggesting earlier that paying for the experience it was more likely that the experience would be better, and now you're arguing that paying for the experience is no guarantee that it would be better...

I don't know about you, but my mind is blown trying to get my head around that sort of flip-flop style of argument.

there is no flip flop

I claim that its practice and experience that makes the AVERAGE escort better at sex

giving them money is not what makes the sex good

people who have sex with escorts don't enjoy giving them money, but they do enjoy the sex

Mister Vain · 13-03-2015 09:00PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Would it matter to whom? To me personally? Give a fiddlers tbh what he thinks of it, he can have as many fond memories as he likes, long as he doesn't constantly waffle on about it, unless he's paying me to listen to him of course, then he can waffle about whatever he wants. In the meantime I'll probably be tuned out thinking about what's for dinner or whatever :pac:

To the guy who is paying for it obviously, I mean that's all that matters. If he enjoyed it then he enjoyed it, end of. There's no tricking involved. Turning tricks maybe, but no tricking.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:03PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

On that I'm afraid, we'll have to agree to differ. Hell, at least it's not the worst thing could happen, and better than nothing, right?

well could you do me a favour, how can I trick a woman into thinking that I was an amazing lover

I mean she's lying on the bed after a mediocre shag which resulted in no orgasm for her and she knows I was piss poor

so how do I trick her because I don't believe its possible

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 09:05PM

nokia69 wrote: »

there is no flip flop

I claim that its practice and experience that makes the AVERAGE escort better at sex

giving them money is not what makes the sex good

people who have sex with escorts don't enjoy giving them money, but they do enjoy the sex

ha no one is saying that actually passing the money to the person gets the man going

it is what the money symbolises (he might see it as power, control or desperation, shameful) that could be a possible factor in his negative or positive view of the experience.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:07PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

ha no one is saying that actually passing the money to the person gets the man going

it is what the money symbolises (he might see it as power, control or desperation, shameful) that could be a possible factor in his negative or positive view of the experience.

one eyed jack seems to be saying it

for the man its not about the money only the sex, the money symbolises nothing

for the escort its not about the sex only the money

ALiasEX · 13-03-2015 09:08PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

If it were true, then sex work would be far more popular than it is among the general population, but it isn't, because more people are aware of the fact that it isn't, than those who believe it is.

It's in a sex workers interest to have people believe they're better though than the general population, because as you say, their business is dependent upon it. Sex workers are no different in that respect than any other business either.

But you have lots of things holding it back from being more popular.

Stigma, religious beliefs, feminist dogma, etc.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 09:08PM

nokia69 wrote: »

well could you do me a favour, how can I trick a woman into thinking that I was an amazing lover

I mean she's lying on the bed after a mediocre shag which resulted in no orgasm for her and she knows I was piss poor

so how do I trick her because I don't believe its possible

Learn how to create sexual tension and tell her that you are great in bed through confidence and security in who you are and she will believe it and she might even feel it.

Cody montana · 13-03-2015 09:10PM

Erra, who cares?

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 09:14PM

nokia69 wrote: »

one eyed jack seems to be saying it

for the man its not about the money only the sex, the money symbolises nothing

for the escort its not about the sex only the money

I have not seen one eye jack say that the man gets turned on by the actual physical passing of the money to the hooker????

Sure if a lot of men got turned on by that, you'd have men in shops going mental at the cashiers with desire when paying for crap if that was the case!

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 09:14PM

lavdad wrote: »

What an oversimplification. It's exactly like saying to someone with depression "cheer up and think happy thoughts" and you know you wouldn't ever make any such remark. There are deep mental inhibitions which prevent some men from being able to interact with women at a level adequate enough to result in any kind of a romantic or sexual leeway.

forget the inhibitions, it's actually genuinely impossible for a lot of punters anyway. I don't know too many really model quality young girls who will date a 40 year old average guy for example. These guys are only going to get to see and have sex with prime women by paying, simple as. I'm quite good socially and well liked among friends, have had girlfriends etc. I unfortunately have a craniofacial deformity and am generally ugly looking and 5'5 tall. This means I that those really top quality girls are out of my league. Can I pull them? Once in a blue moon I may get lucky but I'm playing on my own level generally. "Put yourself out there" is retarded advice unless you're talking to a hermit. I am already out there living a good life. "Putting yourself out there" doesn't mean you will be nailing stunning women. I didn't realise we had some natural lotharios on here.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:14PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Learn how to create sexual tension and tell her that you are great in bed through confidence and security in who you are and she will believe it and she might even feel it.

so be better in bed and trick her that way

but how would I get better at sex since practice and experience seems to make no difference, if I'm the believe your claims

lavdad · 13-03-2015 09:18PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I unfortunately have a craniofacial deformity and am generally ugly looking and 5'5 tall.

And you're still able to get one night stands sometimes with girls you meet at a bar/club?? My BS detector is going off.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:18PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I have not seen one eye jack say that the man gets turned on by the actual physical passing of the money to the hooker????

Sure if a lot of men got turned on by that, you'd have men in shops going mental at the cashiers with desire when paying for crap if that was the case!

In fact, it's actually been suggested as the motivation for some people that paying for it is part of the attraction of the experience. I can't disagree with that, if that's what makes the experience better for them, but again, that's a whole other story .

is he not saying it here

Mister Vain · 13-03-2015 09:18PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

forget the inhibitions, it's actually genuinely impossible for a lot of punters anyway. I don't know too many really model quality young girls who will date a 40 year old average guy for example. These guys are only going to get to see and have sex with prime women by paying, simple as. I'm quite good socially and well liked among friends, have had girlfriends etc. I unfortunately have a craniofacial deformity and am generally ugly looking and 5'5 tall. This means I that those really top quality girls are out of my league. Can I pull them? Once in a blue moon I may get lucky but I'm playing on my own level generally. "Put yourself out there" is retarded advice unless you're talking to a hermit. I am already out there living a good life. "Putting yourself out there" doesn't mean you will be nailing stunning women. I didn't realise we had some natural lotharios on here.

I'd have to agree with this. It's along the lines of, "There are 7 billion people in the world so there must be someone out there for you." It doesn't make a difference.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 09:23PM

nokia69 wrote: »

there is no flip flop

I claim that its practice and experience that makes the AVERAGE escort better at sex

Right. Now I'm not being funny, but you can see how we've gone from -

- Generally speaking, sex workers are 'better' sexually, than 'the average non-sex worker

- Generally speaking, sex workers who practice more and have more experience, are 'better' sexually, than the average sex worker?

You're ignoring an awful lot of context and relevant factors in order to make that assertion tbh, and even then I would still disagree with you that practice, or experience, counts for anything.

The only time practice or experience would be relevant, would be if both the sex worker(s) and the client(s) were the same people, during each and every encounter.

Sex improving over time is usually the way it works, unless one party is kidding themselves and the other simply doesn't give a fiddlers but just wants to get it over with.

giving them money is not what makes the sex good

But you do understand that there are people for whom the act of paying for the experience is an intrinsic element of their enjoyment of the experience?

people who have sex with escorts don't enjoy giving them money, but they do enjoy the sex

See above. I understand what you mean of course, I'd be miffed if I had to pay for something I knew I could get for free elsewhere, but then nobody is forcing me to pay, but without paying I wouldn't get what I want without inconveniencing myself...

It's hardly bizarre to suggest that if you don't want to pay for something, that you do something about it so that you're not having to pay for it, but to expect people should accommodate you willingly without you being willing to bring anything to the table?

Certainly there are people that stupid too, all too common in fact, but if you're going to be picky about who you choose to sleep with, then at least a minimum of effort is required on your part, unless you just don't want to, but that's none of my business.

Baby Jane · 13-03-2015 09:27PM

Despite the rather aggressive claim that "Women have all the power", women who aren't facially blessed aren't easily getting together with men, let alone "high quality" (I presume this means good-looking, sexually attractive) men either.
When I was a teenager I wasn't pretty at all - very plain, and not a hope could I get a boyfriend.
I certainly didn't resent boys for not fancying me though.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 09:27PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

I'd have to agree with this. It's along the lines of, "There are 7 billion people in the world so there must be someone out there for you." It doesn't make a difference.

yes men can go for the experience of the beautiful women and there is nothing wrong with them wanting that experience.

What is wrong about some of the posts here, is being in denial about the situation and claiming that the reason you go is because hookers in general are better and normal women just don't cut it. It is an excuse being used rather than accept the fact that you cant get that beautiful non-hooker woman that you feel is going to be great in bed and so take another alternative to get what you want.

Its just shifting the issue onto women's performance in general rather than accept that it is because you have to pay for what you want because you cant get it for free.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 09:27PM

lavdad wrote: »

And you're still able to get one night stands sometimes with girls you meet at a bar/club?? My BS detector is going off.

Like I said, girls on my level. Plus im in college and went out on loads of mad college nights/rag week etc where everyone gets wasted and sh*t happens.

They aren't slim or that attractive themselves. Nice girls though but looks matter and you generally play on your own level. I learned this through experience.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 09:29PM

nokia69 wrote: »

is he not saying it here

Nope, I'm not, and in fact more and more sex workers are processing credit card payments rather than any money actually physically changing hands.

Certainly the more affluent sex workers won't welcome having to handle grubby notes. Never know where they've been! :pac:

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 09:29PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Learn how to create sexual tension and tell her that you are great in bed through confidence and security in who you are and she will believe it and she might even feel it.

There you go guys. Now we can all get out supermodel girlfriends. Just walk up and create sexual tension and she'll believe it and feel it. It's that easy.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 09:31PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

Despite the rather aggressive claim that "Women have all the power", women who aren't facially blessed aren't easily getting together with men, let alone "high quality" (I presume this means good-looking, sexually attractive) men either.
When I was a teenager I wasn't pretty at all - very plain, and not a hope could I get a boyfriend.
I certainly didn't resent boys for not fancying me though.

Ugly people are ugly people.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:32PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Right. Now I'm not being funny, but you can see how we've gone from -

- Generally speaking, sex workers are 'better' sexually, than 'the average non-sex worker

- Generally speaking, sex workers who practice more and have more experience, are 'better' sexually, than the average sex non worker?

jack both claims are the same

its just I have given a reason in the second case, my position has remained consistent

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 09:40PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nope, I'm not, and in fact more and more sex workers are processing credit card payments rather than any money actually physically changing hands.

Certainly the more affluent sex workers won't welcome having to handle grubby notes. Never know where they've been! :pac:

well then tell me what it means

In fact, it's actually been suggested as the motivation for some people that paying for it is part of the attraction of the experience. I can't disagree with that, if that's what makes the experience better for them, but again, that's a whole other story .

the evasion_kid · 13-03-2015 09:40PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

To be honest, while some really negative things were being said about women earlier on this thread (men: be wary of women, because gold-digging and screwing you over... well that's just what women do.... except when men remarry for a "better" model or something - real mental Return Of Kings sh-t) I can't disagree that a prostitute will be really good at the auld sexual techniques.

You obviously never been in a relationship with a spiteful vindictive woman when things go south....hell hath no fury like.......

ceadaoin. · 13-03-2015 09:40PM

nokia69 wrote: »

there is no flip flop

I claim that its practice and experience that makes the AVERAGE escort better at sex

giving them money is not what makes the sex good

people who have sex with escorts don't enjoy giving them money, but they do enjoy the sex

nokia69 wrote: »

well then tell me what it means

I think that for some men the feeling of power and control that comes with basically 'buying' a woman's body to use how they see fit is part of the attraction. It's not just about the sex for those people.

lavdad · 13-03-2015 09:43PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

Despite the rather aggressive claim that "Women have all the power", women who aren't facially blessed aren't easily getting together with men, let alone "high quality" (I presume this means good-looking, sexually attractive) men either.
When I was a teenager I wasn't pretty at all - very plain, and not a hope could I get a boyfriend.
I certainly didn't resent boys for not fancying me though.

We're talking about sex here. A highly unattractive girl could incredibly easily get a ONS with an average looking guy. The same could not be said about a highly unattractive man, who realistically has very little hope of getting casual sex no matter who the partner is, because why would an unattractive woman choose sex with an unattractive man when she could so easily get it with an average looking man or better?

As an exemplification, I often see on escort Ireland old (40+) obese women advertising for 250-300 per hour, who have many reviews. Also on dating sites, these "BBW" exist and display a host of demands like "no pic no reply", "write a detailed message" etc. To simply be born with a vagina is to have some degree of sexual power, absolutely not the case with being born with a penis.

KomradeBishop · 13-03-2015 09:43PM

Baby Jane wrote: »

Despite the rather aggressive claim that "Women have all the power", women who aren't facially blessed aren't easily getting together with men, let alone "high quality" (I presume this means good-looking, sexually attractive) men either.
When I was a teenager I wasn't pretty at all - very plain, and not a hope could I get a boyfriend.
I certainly didn't resent boys for not fancying me though.

While I definitely don't want to come down on the side of defending that claim, I think it's true that (excuse the generalization) women have an easier time with sex and relationships than guys:
There might be some women who have difficulties, like you mention, but by and large the difficulties are far less than they would be among some men.

There is a very real gender disparity here, which unfortunately, seems to get denied a lot - I'm not sure why there's a lot of denial on that topic either.

Roquentin · 13-03-2015 09:47PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I think that for some men the feeling of power and control that comes with basically 'buying' a woman's body to use how they see fit is part of the attraction. It's not just about the sex for those people.

a lot of the time it is the escort who wields control.

People who hire hookers?

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