People who hire hookers?

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 07:00PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

Well as far as oral sex goes, I think you could probably get a non hooker to be just as good as a hooker but only ever for me when i was in a long term relationship. it certainly seems like something that women i've met (not all women, im just generalising from women i've met) seem to need trust to do. add in the types of roleplays/"dirty talk" aspects that you can do with hookers straight away (in my experience i needed a lot of experience with my girlfriend to build trust to get there), then hookers win hands down. but that is a personal opinion. put it this way, if you had a long term girlfriend who was comfortable doing anything and you were too, then that would be better than a hooker but that takes a lot of time. hookers will do anything straight away

Of course it's better to have a non hooker who's gorgeous and great in bed too, but that doesn't negate the fact that hookers tend to have better skills than non hookers.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 07:04PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

You still haven't grasped the averages concept. It is not unreasonable to believe that hookers would be better ON AVERAGE compared to non hookers. I feel you are allowing the chip on your shoulder to influence your ability to reason and apply logic.

I think anyone who really understands averages would see where I am coming from and it is in fact you and your misunderstanding of the importance of your own perception regards to another persons.

If you have slept with 10 women, 5 hookers and 5 non-hookers and you come to the conclusion that hookers on average are better then that is your average, your average does not speak for other men on the planet. Your view will be different because of your experience.

There is no chip on my shoulder. I just find it shocking that people don't understand a basic concept. :rolleyes:

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 07:04PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

Of course it's better to have a non hooker who's gorgeous and great in bed too, but that doesn't negate the fact that hookers tend to have better skills than non hookers.

i dont think so to be honest. when you get a girlfriend and she opens up, you realize how kinky women can be and what they really like to do.

however hooker use is becoming more prevalent i've noticed. in my peer group anyway. hookers are definitely far more attractive but they have to be dont they.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 07:09PM

Roquentin wrote: »

i think what they are trying to say is that if you took 100 escorts and 100 non escorts and looked at their performance, that statistically speaking the 100 escorts would come out more favorable.

And "performance" is an entirely subjective opinion.

Personal taste is not something that can be statistically quantified, you're going to get all sorts of variation in opinions.

That's even ignoring the fact that the person who is a sex worker is on the back foot already because they'll want to be paid, as opposed to a person who is not a sex worker who is not charging for the experience.

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 07:09PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I think anyone who really understands averages would see where I am coming from and it is in fact you and your misunderstanding of the importance of your own perception regards to another persons.

If you have slept with 10 women, 5 hookers and 5 non-hookers and you come to the conclusion that hookers on average are better then that is your average, your average does not speak for other men on the planet. Your view will be different because of your experience.

There is no chip on my shoulder. I just find it shocking that people don't understand a basic concept. :rolleyes:

I've slept with about 90 non hookers and about 30-40 hookers, the hookers have been significantly better in bed than the non hookers. I'm am not using solely my personal experience to form my opinion. I am using the experience of countless others and the simple logic that a hookers livelihood depends on her being good.

You aren't providing any sort of coherent argument to support your opinion that there is no difference in the average sex skills of hookers and non hookers.

Roquentin · 13-03-2015 07:12PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I think anyone who really understands averages would see where I am coming from and it is in fact you and your misunderstanding of the importance of your own perception regards to another persons.

If you have slept with 10 women, 5 hookers and 5 non-hookers and you come to the conclusion that hookers on average are better then that is your average, your average does not speak for other men on the planet. Your view will be different because of your experience.

There is no chip on my shoulder. I just find it shocking that people don't understand a basic concept. :rolleyes:

they mean statistically. of course you will get one woman who is great in bed. but statistically speaking the performance of the escorts will be superior.

MagicMarker · 13-03-2015 07:13PM

I just had a look at the forum on escorts ireland and it wouldn't be out of place on boards! Plenty of traffic....

Roquentin · 13-03-2015 07:13PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

And "performance" is an entirely subjective opinion.

Personal taste is not something that can be statistically quantified, you're going to get all sorts of variation in opinions.

That's even ignoring the fact that the person who is a sex worker is on the back foot already because they'll want to be paid, as opposed to a person who is not a sex worker who is not charging for the experience.

wrong wrong wrong

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 07:14PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

I've slept with about 90 non hookers and about 30-40 hookers, the hookers have been significantly better in bed than the non hookers. I'm am not using solely my personal experience to form my opinion. I am using the experience of countless others and the simple logic that a hookers livelihood depends on her being good.

Condom sex vs non condom sex, sorry but hookers lose that one.

As far as BJs, then yes im on your side. No comparison in skill level. They know exactly what to do. Excellent ball stimulation from them as well might I add. You just don't get that level of skill from non hookers. In my experience anyway, im sure there are some good ones. But who really likes sucking balls etc? i mean, hookers go the extra mile. whereas my long term girlfriends did their best but just didn't have the skill level. but if we're talking sex, then the use of a condom just kills hookers man. plus ive had a few good one night stands also where the girl was totally into it. i think it's hard to quantify.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 07:14PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

I've slept with about 90 non hookers and about 30-40 hookers, the hookers have been significantly better in bed than the non hookers. I'm am not using solely my personal experience to form my opinion. I am using the experience of countless others and the simple logic that a hookers livelihood depends on her being good.

it does not matter how many hookers or non hookers you slept with or how many mates told you or reviews you read. it is your opinion. as we have seen here, there are many men who do not share your opinion.

strobe · 13-03-2015 07:14PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

There are also thing women (and men) can learn to improve their partners pleasure. Vagina weights are becoming popular for example.

What are vagina weights, if you don't mind me asking? I'm not sure I want to google it.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 07:14PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I just had a look at the forum on escorts ireland and it wouldn't be out of place on boards! Plenty of traffic....

What a life saver of a site.

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 07:17PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

it does not matter how many hookers or non hookers you slept with or how many mates told you or reviews you read. it is your opinion. as we have seen here, there are many men who do not share your opinion.

With hookers there is a handicap which diminishes the appreciation of their skills, in that they don't want to have sex with you without being paid usually. I bet the men who they have sex with in their personal lives would get amazing sex, far better on average than most non hookers.

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 07:18PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Fair point but I still stand by my views and 4 or 5 mens opinion in a thread and justification is not any better than the study.

I'd call them prejudices rather than views, TBH. After all, you've been happy to cherry pick which unreliable sources you were willing to accept and which ones you were not, based on whether they aligned with your view.

Saralee4 wrote: »

it does not matter how many hookers or non hookers you slept with or how many mates told you or reviews you read. it is your opinion. as we have seen here, there are many men who do not share your opinion.

Now, now. He's just standing by his views... :P

And WTF was the relevance of whether prostitutes are better at sex than non-prostitutes. And who cares?

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 07:19PM

Roquentin wrote: »

they mean statistically. of course you will get one woman who is great in bed. but statistically speaking the performance of the escorts will be superior.

What are you basing this on?

If it were true, then sex work would be far more popular than it is among the general population, but it isn't, because more people are aware of the fact that it isn't, than those who believe it is.

It's in a sex workers interest to have people believe they're better though than the general population, because as you say, their business is dependent upon it. Sex workers are no different in that respect than any other business either.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 07:19PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

it does not matter how many hookers or non hookers you slept with or how many mates told you or reviews you read. it is your opinion. as we have seen here, there are many men who do not share your opinion.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 07:23PM

I think he has a point in a way because when we talk about hookers we're talking about stunners here. girls in their early 20s who look the absolute part and make sure they keep their bodies in good shape and know what to do in bed. this automatically makes them better than say an average non hooker in her late 20s/early-mid 30s or whatever, who may be just as good in bed but is carrying a bit of condition so to speak. im guessing his point is that the hookers are so much more attractive that they are automatically better. which is a good point to be fair. having sex with a gorgeous person vs having sex with an average/slightly tubby person - it doesn't really come down to skill level as far as what is best. thats where i think he's coming from but correct me if im wrong.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 07:23PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's in a sex workers interest to have people believe they're better though than the general population, because as you say, their business is dependent upon it. Sex workers are no different in that respect than any other business either.

so sex workers have tricked people into believing that they had a good time

how does this work, do they hypnotise or brainwash people maybe

a good shag is a good shag

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 07:23PM

nokia69 wrote: »

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man

ah here I really am laughing if you don't understand what I am saying now.

I don't have an opinion on hookers or women sexual performance. I have an opinion of people forcing their opinions and claiming them as a majority of belief and fact.

Roquentin · 13-03-2015 07:24PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

If it were true, then sex work would be far more popular than it is among the general population, but it isn't, because more people are aware of the fact that it isn't, than those who believe it is.

It's in a sex workers interest to have people believe they're better though than the general population, because as you say, their business is dependent upon it. Sex workers are no different in that respect than any other business either.

yea whatever:rolleyes:

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 07:25PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

ah here I really am laughing if you don't understand what I am saying now.

I don't have an opinion on hookers or women sexual performance. I have an opinion of people forcing their opinions and claiming them as a majority of belief and fact.

You're forcing your opinion that there is no difference between the skill levels of hookers and non hookers and claiming it to be fact.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 07:27PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

I think he has a point in a way because when we talk about hookers we're talking about stunners here. girls in their early 20s who look the absolute part and make sure they keep their bodies in good shape and know what to do in bed. this automatically makes them better than say an average non hooker in her late 20s/early-mid 30s or whatever, who may be just as good in bed but is carrying a bit of condition so to speak. im guessing his point is that the hookers are so much more attractive that they are automatically better. which is a good point to be fair. having sex with a gorgeous person vs having sex with an average/slightly tubby person - it doesn't really come down to skill level as far as what is best. thats where i think he's coming from but correct me if im wrong.

there are equally as attractive women who are not hookers and great in bed but the guy just cant them because they don't want to have sex with him so he pays for it instead. its doesn't mean the hooker is better. its means she is possible.

An equally beautiful woman could be just as good or maybe better or not than a beautiful hooker. The beautiful woman may not be achievable for the punter though.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 07:29PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

You're forcing your opinion that there is no difference between the skill levels of hookers and non hookers and claiming it to be fact.

no what I am saying is hookers are women. And women are capable of great and bad sex hooker or not a hooker. And that is a fact.

Mister Vain · 13-03-2015 07:31PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

If you do know of a sex worker in possession of a third tit, I've no doubt there are people exist who would be interested to make her acquaintance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2NUB_8zB5Q

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 07:32PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

ah here I really am laughing if you don't understand what I am saying now.

I don't have an opinion on hookers or women sexual performance. I have an opinion of people forcing their opinions and claiming them as a majority of belief and fact.

but you do have an opinion, which is fine

and I do understand your opinion, I just think its wrong

nobody is forcing any opinion, what some people are doing is trying to explain their opinion and they are also basing their opinion on real world experience

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 07:32PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

no what I am saying is hookers are women. And women are capable of great and bad sex hooker or not a hooker. And that is a fact.

You're saying hookers are women, thanks for imparting such wisdom.

nokia69 · 13-03-2015 07:35PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

no what I am saying is hookers are women. And women are capable of great and bad sex hooker or not a hooker. And that is a fact.

agreed

but on AVERAGE a hooker would tend to be more skilful than the AVERAGE woman

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 07:35PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

there are equally as attractive women who are not hookers and great in bed but the guy just cant them because they don't want to have sex with him so he pays for it instead. its doesn't mean the hooker is better. its means she is possible.

An equally beautiful woman could be just as good or maybe better or not than a beautiful hooker. The beautiful woman may not be achievable for the punter though.

Well we're talking about the highest level here in terms of attractiveness. Not just someone who scrubs up nicely when they dress up and pile the make up on. We're talking about natural beauty. You'd have to look at girls who could model, to be on par with some of the hookers. Just take a look at the escort site mentioned earlier. Yes there would be girls like that out there of course but they know their worth, know what kinds of guys they can attract and it's no surprise when you see their boyfriends. I think the punters by and large wouldn't have a cats change in hell with hookers hes paying in real life and im in that bracket myself to be fair. If he did he wouldn't pay obviously. Although I did have one stunning girlfriend. Nowadays she has the predictable tall good looking boyfriend though.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 07:37PM

nokia69 wrote: »

so sex workers have tricked people into believing that they had a good time

how does this work, do they hypnotise or brainwash people maybe

a good shag is a good shag

Marketing.

Nobody accuses Apple of hypnosis or brainwashing and they manage to market shiny turds to people who think they're the shizz.

I suppose like anything else, "good" is an entirely subjective standard. There are enough people that think iPhones are 'good' in order that Apple makes quite a nice profit. There are many more people whose opinion differs, and so in order to increase their market share, Apple must convince these people to purchase their iPhone, in the same way as a sex worker will attempt to convince people that they should choose to avail of her services as she provides a service that is superior to her competition.

It's basic marketing.

strobe · 13-03-2015 07:38PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

no what I am saying is hookers are women. And women are capable of great and bad sex hooker or not a hooker. And that is a fact.

Nah to be fair, what you are saying is "there is no possible way that hookers could possibly be better on average at sex than women that are not hookers, it's an impossibility! I do not even entertain that it may be true despite having basically no personal experience of having sex with hookers, or women in general, to base that on. It's just what I feel should be true. Rather, what I choose to believe, is no man could ever have sex with a hooker because that is the reason, but instead the reasons, despite me neither being a man, a man that has had sex with women, a man that has sex with hookers, or anything else that would give me actual experiences to draw from, and the only reasons they possibly could are as follows, x,y,z, these things are true facts, everything else is not".

I actually have no horse in this race. I don't care whether hookers are better at sex than average, it's not something likely to ever effect my day to day life, I don't care if it's untrue or if it's subjective or anything else. ****ty arguments just bug me. And you don't even have a ****ty argument. You just have "that's not what I feel to be true, therefore it isn't true" without anything to even kind of back it up.

Now maybe you're right, could well be, it's just a bit weird that you are insisting you are right seemingly based on nothing, at least nothing you have yet posted, in anyway. I mean, do you not think it's a bit odd?

People who hire hookers?

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