People who hire hookers?

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 03:54PM

mariaalice wrote: »

There is a point that being missed, for some men the fact the woman is a prostitute and that he has paid her is part of the experience so therefor even if his partner or girlfriend is doing the exact same thing as the prostitute the subjective experience will always be better with the prostitute.

More huh? I must have missed it, but where was this bit of psychobabble demonstrated? Not saying that this may not be so in some cases, but to me it just sounds a bit false.

I would hazard guess that men who regularly use prostitutes ( as opposed to men who did it as a one off/ because every one else is doing it/ were drunk or what ever.) The regular users are not doing it just to have sex alone, there is something else going on, you can even seen it in some of the replies here...men who think they are not attractive, men who has issues with women, men who think women have all the power, men who believe themselves to have been hard done by in a divorcee and so on.

Ahhh, they're all bitter misogynists. Is this what they're teaching in Women's studies courses nowadays?

13-03-2015 04:00PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

More huh? I must have missed it, but where was this bit of psychobabble demonstrated? Not saying that this may not be so in some cases, but to me it just sounds a bit false.

Ahhh, they're all bitter misogynists. Is this what they're teaching in Women's studies courses nowadays?

No I dint say that nobody know what goes on in anyone else's head we don't have the thought police, however I still think there is more to it that just sex alone in a lot of case ( not all ), if you are shy and perceive yourself to be unattractive to woman, you could like women but just think your not going to be successful with them.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 04:01PM

This is a study done of 700 men who have used prostitutes. Their honest views and reasons for doing so. Not once do I see mentioned that they go because a hooker has a better technique than a non-hooker which if this is so relevant, you would think would have been discussed.

They do however point out things like Mariealice suggested, as the reason they may enjoy the experience is because they paid for it and the control aspect are the actual highlight of the experience (which has been brought up before).

"Many men seemed to want a real relationship with a woman and were disappointed when this didn't develop: "It's just a sex act, no emotion. Be prepared to accept this or don't go at all. It's not a wife or girlfriend." Others were clear that they paid for sex in order to be able to totally control the encounter, including Bob, who said, "Look, men pay for women because he can have whatever and whoever he wants. Lots of men go to prostitutes so they can do things to them that real women would not put up with."

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/jan/15/why-men-use-prostitutes

lavdad · 13-03-2015 04:23PM

I find it flabbergasting on online forms the tended prevalence of the deluded notion that sex is easy to get. It's as if some people live in an alternate universe different to the one I'm living in. Saying of a man who uses escorts "ah he musn't want to commit" or "maybe the hooker gives him something one night stands don't". In my experience, for average-to sub-average guys opportunities for ONSs and relationships only come around maybe a handful of times per decade. This is simply not enough for men who don't have low sex drives. An alternative avenue for sex is a real necessity.

I visit escorts fairly regularly, say once every few months and have been doing so for over a decade. I do not agree with the notion that escorts are "better" than average females, but again I seem to have a completely different view of what constitutes reality in this regard; willingness =/= better, and an escort severely lacks the former attitudinal quality. When I say willingness I mean the woman's actual desire to have sex with you. Most escort experiences are absolutely dire. Yes you can find those where it's just like having sex with a normal girl perhaps even better, but for the most part this isn't anywhere near the case. With the majority of escorts you go and see, she behaves as if you had just slapped her mother in the face, rather than handed over 3 days worth of hard earned pay. I guess most of them highly resent the fact of having to have sex with mostly older and far grosser men than she would ever choose to do so with, and it's very much felt in their attitudes.

Sex with hookers is atrocious for the most part (rare gems aside) but it is simply the lesser of two evils. Many men cannot go years without sex which would be the case otherwise This fact seems to generally be impossible to understand for women, who sex comes easy for but who crave it astronomically less anyway.

lavdad · 13-03-2015 04:28PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

They do however point out things like Mariealice suggested, as the reason they may enjoy the experience is because they paid for it and the control aspect are the actual highlight of the experience (which has been brought up before).[/url]

For me this is total nonsense, and just another manifestation of the need to paint women as always being victims.

With an escort there is FAR, FAR less of a sense of being in control than with a normal girl. She has clear boundaries, and should you cross those boundaries in any way the fact is alerted to immediately.

H3llR4iser · 13-03-2015 04:35PM

lavdad wrote: »

I find it flabbergasting on online forms the tended prevalence of the deluded notion that sex is easy to get. It's as if some people live in an alternate universe different to the one I'm living in. Saying of a man who uses escorts "ah he musn't want to commit" or "maybe the hooker gives him something one night stands don't". In my experience, for average-to sub-average guys opportunities for ONSs and relationships only come around maybe a handful of times per decade. This is simply not enough for men who don't have low sex drives. An alternative avenue for sex is a real necessity.

I visit escorts fairly regularly, say once every few months and have been doing so for over a decade. I do not agree with the notion that escorts are "better" than average females, but again I seem to have a completely different view of what constitutes reality in this regard; willingness =/= better, and an escort severely lacks the former attitudinal quality. When I say willingness I mean the woman's actual desire to have sex with you. Most escort experiences are absolutely dire. Yes you can find those where it's just like having sex with a normal girl perhaps even better, but for the most part this isn't anywhere near the case. With the majority of escorts you go and see, she behaves as if you had just slapped her mother in the face, rather than handed over 3 days worth of hard earned pay. I guess most of them highly resent the fact of having to have sex with mostly older and far grosser men than she would ever choose to do so with, and it's very much felt in their attitudes.

Sex with hookers is atrocious for the most part (rare gems aside) but it is simply the lesser of two evils. Many men cannot go years without sex which would be the case otherwise This fact seems to generally be impossible to understand for women, who sex comes easy for but who crave it astronomically less anyway.

So in a nutshell it's not that great, often quite horrible, but for many guys it's either that or nothing. Frankly, it's probably the most lucid analysis in this thread.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 04:38PM

lavdad wrote: »

I find it flabbergasting on online forms the tended prevalence of the deluded notion that sex is easy to get. It's as if some people live in an alternate universe different to the one I'm living in. Saying of a man who uses escorts "ah he musn't want to commit" or "maybe the hooker gives him something one night stands don't". In my experience, for average-to sub-average guys opportunities for ONSs and relationships only come around maybe a handful of times per decade. This is simply not enough for men who don't have low sex drives. An alternative avenue for sex is a real necessity.

I visit escorts fairly regularly, say once every few months and have been doing so for over a decade. I do not agree with the notion that escorts are "better" than average females, but again I seem to have a completely different view of what constitutes reality in this regard; willingness =/= better, and an escort severely lacks the former attitudinal quality. When I say willingness I mean the woman's actual desire to have sex with you. Most escort experiences are absolutely dire. Yes you can find those where it's just like having sex with a normal girl perhaps even better, but for the most part this isn't anywhere near the case. With the majority of escorts you go and see, she behaves as if you had just slapped her mother in the face, rather than handed over 3 days worth of hard earned pay. I guess most of them highly resent the fact of having to have sex with mostly older and far grosser men than she would ever choose to do so with, and it's very much felt in their attitudes.

Sex with hookers is atrocious for the most part (rare gems aside) but it is simply the lesser of two evils. Many men cannot go years without sex which would be the case otherwise This fact seems to generally be impossible to understand for women, who sex comes easy for but who crave it astronomically less anyway.

So from what I gather, in your experience, sex with hookers is worse but just because of lack of availability, you go.

No-one is saying there is anything wrong with visiting hookers and that hookers do not gain from it financially in this part of the debate. But to say that men go to hookers because hookers are better at having sex with men as a general fact is not a true statement.

Your experience is not great but better than nothing but Roquentin earlier was praising the fact that a hooker knows how to seduce him with her 'hair' (he didn't mention if it was hair on her legs or what

) but anyway like i have been saying all along, it is subjective. Neither persons experience or opinion is less valid than the other but it shows that there is no measure of what is good and bad and you cant say that hookers are better at having sex then non hookers or the other way round because it depends on the perception of the experience. That's all I have been saying.

arayess · 13-03-2015 04:45PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

So in a nutshell it's not that great, often quite horrible, but for many guys it's either that or nothing. Frankly, it's probably the most lucid analysis in this thread.

my experience is quite different to be honest.
I have enjoyed my experiences with escorts. the ones I've seen have engaged with me in chat and developed some rapport with. I don't care if they are faking it , at that moment it's real.
yes one or two have been poor experiences and I've walked out of a few for being crap but overall they have been good.

I get to act out what I want and I like that.

maybe it's cos I book for an hour and it's not a rush job.

strobe · 13-03-2015 04:46PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

But to say that men go to hookers because sex is better at having sex with men as a general fact is not a true statement.

Just to say, I think the majority of men go to hookers because if they weren't having sex with a hooker that night they wouldn't be having sex. But that doesn't mean they aren't better. Surely the fact that this guy doesn't think they are better is just pure subjectivity, and one based entirely on his own personal experience, which has no relevance to anything, and the topic of whether or not prostitutes are on avwrage better in bed is not at all addressed by his post, no?

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 04:53PM

strobe wrote: »

Just to say, I think the majority of men go to hookers because if they weren't having sex with a hooker that night they wouldn't be having sex. But that doesn't mean they aren't better.Surely the fact that this guy doesn't think they are better is just pure subjectivity, and one based entirely on his own personal experience, which has no relevance to anything, and the topic of whether or not prostitutes are on avwrage better in bed is not at all addressed by his post, no?

It also doesn't prove that they are. The fact is, they are for some people and not for others. The same hooker could be great for one guy and crap for another guy.

eh of course it is not. Im not sure if you have been reading my posts. Surely that's what I have been saying all along, the fact that some others guys here THINK they are better also have no relevance to anything and the topic of whether or not prostitutes are on average better in bed is not all addressed their posts either.

You cannot measure it. its as simple as that.

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 05:00PM

mariaalice wrote: »

No I dint say that nobody know what goes on in anyone else's head we don't have the thought police, however I still think there is more to it that just sex alone in a lot of case ( not all ), if you are shy and perceive yourself to be unattractive to woman, you could like women but just think your not going to be successful with them.

And then you went on to give a list of only misogynistic and bitter motivations. Very balanced.

Saralee4 wrote: »

This is a study done of 700 men who have used prostitutes. Their honest views and reasons for doing so. Not once do I see mentioned that they go because a hooker has a better technique than a non-hooker which if this is so relevant, you would think would have been discussed.

A report published by a feminist organization that uses the slogan "putting women first"... very unbiased. :rolleyes:

KomradeBishop · 13-03-2015 05:07PM

mariaalice wrote: »

I would hazard guess that men who regularly use prostitutes ( as opposed to men who did it as a one off/ because every one else is doing it/ were drunk or what ever.) The regular users are not doing it just to have sex alone, there is something else going on, you can even seen it in some of the replies here...men who think they are not attractive, men who has issues with women, men who think women have all the power, men who believe themselves to have been hard done by in a divorcee and so on.

Yea there's definitely more than a whiff of this being a common denominator. I'd disagree with stating it is in all cases though.

catallus · 13-03-2015 05:11PM

Fruchtundobst wrote: »

I don't think you understand the concept of averages.

The average hooker gives a much better blow job than the average non hooker.

Nonsense! The best BJs are from someone you love and trust.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 05:11PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

And then you went on to give a list of only misogynistic and bitter motivations. Very balanced.

A report published by a feminist organization that uses the slogan "putting women first"... very unbiased. :rolleyes:

and yet you expect me to believe the word and opinion of about 4 or 5 random men on a forum.

The men who go to see prostitutes and have admitted, will also show bias by the way. If you really think about it, while it may be true that they had the best experience of their life with the hooker, there is still some shame in paying for it. So how can they find a way to justify the use of the hooker and the fact that they cant get the supreme woman without cash? They separate the hooker from 'average' women (average women who have either rejected them or not lived up to their expectations) and they idealise the hooker as a sex object. In other words 'its ok for me to pay, because im paying for the best and you cant get the best anywhere else' when that is not true. The truth is, that that man specifically cannot get what he considers the best unless he pays for it.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 05:15PM

catallus wrote: »

Nonsense! The best BJs are from someone you love and trust.

eh catallus, I didn't post that. You must have hit the wrong button somewhere! Im a woman!

:pac:

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 05:18PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

and yet you expect me to believe the word and opinion of about 4 or 5 random men on a forum.

No, I don't. But neither would I expect you to hold a prejudice and then go to only those sources that a retarded monkey could see were unreliable, simply because they supported my prejudices.

The men who go to see prostitutes and have admitted, will also show bias by the way.

What men? Honestly, you have no idea what men, if any took part in that survey. Some of these organizations are not above falsifying data, let alone actively seeking and including only that data that supports their hypothesis.

On this subject I wouldn't give the time of day to any data other than from law enforcement agencies, and even then I'd look critically. Those authored by feminist, religious or even men's rights groups are barely worth being used as toilet paper.

H3llR4iser · 13-03-2015 05:24PM

arayess wrote: »

my experience is quite different to be honest.
I have enjoyed my experiences with escorts. the ones I've seen have engaged with me in chat and developed some rapport with. I don't care if they are faking it , at that moment it's real.
yes one or two have been poor experiences and I've walked out of a few for being crap but overall they have been good.

I get to act out what I want and I like that.

maybe it's cos I book for an hour and it's not a rush job.

No doubt about it, to be entirely honest I never tried so I have to go with what you all say. I was just saying that the point of view of "it's not ideal, but sometimes there's no choice" seems to be the most balanced view.

catallus · 13-03-2015 05:24PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

eh catallus, I didn't post that...

Yep, the quote thingy was messed up by the initial poster, so that's what happened:rolleyes:

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 05:32PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

No, I don't. But neither would I expect you to hold a prejudice and then go to only those sources that a retarded monkey could see were unreliable, simply because they supported my prejudices.

What men? Honestly, you have no idea what men, if any took part in that survey. Some of these organizations are not above falsifying data, let alone actively seeking and including only that data that supports their hypothesis.

On this subject I wouldn't give the time of day to any data other than from law enforcement agencies, and even then I'd look critically. Those authored by feminist, religious or even men's rights groups are barely worth being used as toilet paper.

Fair point but I still stand by my views and 4 or 5 mens opinion in a thread and justification is not any better than the study.

"What men? Honestly, you have no idea what men, if any took part in that survey."
Im talking about the men in the forum, not the study.

13-03-2015 05:54PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Yea there's definitely more than a whiff of this being a common denominator. I'd disagree with stating it is in all cases though.

Of course not all cases and the men are not monsters and I would be fairly sure lots of the women get men who chat away to them. I don't agree with it being normalised as an experience though.

The sensible Germans probably legalised it in some area's as a harm reduction model that's not the same as viewing it as a normal acceptable social behaviour.

13-03-2015 06:10PM

Filletmignon wrote: »

Normal acceptable behaviour is subjective.

I use to believe there were no truths ( very existential Marxist ) and if you believed one 'truth' was higher that another you were engaging in judgmental behaviour, however I have come around to changeing my mind on this.

Potatoeman · 13-03-2015 06:12PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Fair point but I still stand by my views and 4 or 5 mens opinion in a thread and justification is not any better than the study.

"What men? Honestly, you have no idea what men, if any took part in that survey."
Im talking about the men in the forum, not the study.

If they tried it and thats their experience, why do you care? It does not mean every man will start visiting hookers but its the opinion of those that did.

There are also thing women (and men) can learn to improve their partners pleasure. Vagina weights are becoming popular for example.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 06:13PM

lavdad wrote: »

I find it flabbergasting on online forms the tended prevalence of the deluded notion that sex is easy to get. It's as if some people live in an alternate universe different to the one I'm living in. Saying of a man who uses escorts "ah he musn't want to commit" or "maybe the hooker gives him something one night stands don't". In my experience, for average-to sub-average guys opportunities for ONSs and relationships only come around maybe a handful of times per decade. This is simply not enough for men who don't have low sex drives. An alternative avenue for sex is a real necessity.

I visit escorts fairly regularly, say once every few months and have been doing so for over a decade. I do not agree with the notion that escorts are "better" than average females, but again I seem to have a completely different view of what constitutes reality in this regard; willingness =/= better, and an escort severely lacks the former attitudinal quality. When I say willingness I mean the woman's actual desire to have sex with you. Most escort experiences are absolutely dire. Yes you can find those where it's just like having sex with a normal girl perhaps even better, but for the most part this isn't anywhere near the case. With the majority of escorts you go and see, she behaves as if you had just slapped her mother in the face, rather than handed over 3 days worth of hard earned pay. I guess most of them highly resent the fact of having to have sex with mostly older and far grosser men than she would ever choose to do so with, and it's very much felt in their attitudes.

Sex with hookers is atrocious for the most part (rare gems aside) but it is simply the lesser of two evils. Many men cannot go years without sex which would be the case otherwise This fact seems to generally be impossible to understand for women, who sex comes easy for but who crave it astronomically less anyway.

Good post. I'm 21 and still have great difficulty with women at times and go through dry spells. I think we are both in the same boat. I've got mates who can get women every night they go out and other mates in my boat. Hookers are a great relief. Even just going for a BJ. It's just good to know you can definitely get laid with a hot girl if you have the money. I've had the best BJs from hookers but the best sex from my last girlfriend. If sex was so easy to get, hookers wouldn't exist.

as for shaming men who visit hookers, i think you have to look at it from the mans side. When you can't get laid what are you supposed to do? I probably go to a hooker at least once a month and so do a good few of my mates. it depends if im in a relationship or not though.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 06:27PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

No it's not terribly difficult to figure out what makes someone good at sex and there is no reason why a hooker can figure that out and a non hookers can't.

Your saying that women are selfish and only interested in their own needs to get themselves off yet we are having a discussion about men going to see prostitutes for their own needs? To me it sounds like going to a prostitute is a sole event for the man's own pleasure (even though the woman is present)

Both parties in a relationship are responsible and need to have open communication towards sex and getting their needs met.

An incentive? What about caring for the other person? Attraction? Genuinely wanting to please the other person.

The problem with sex with hookers is that they require you to wear a condom. So this is automatically, in my opinion, not as good as sex with a girl you are with, without a condom. However, they do provide BJs without condoms which are by far much better than anything I've gotten from non hookers, but youd have to expect that from women who have way more experience and are probably doing it every day. i would rather have sex with a girlfriend without a condom than with a hooker with a condom though. but that should be obvious really. I'd say the hookers are obviously better in bed and you can pretty much do what you want in terms of role play etc since you don't know them and most likely will never see them again whereas with a partner you can't get away with some of the more "nasty" stuff at times or weirder role playing type stuff. but each to their own i say.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 06:40PM

jbtarmac121 wrote: »

Good post. I'm 21 and still have great difficulty with women at times and go through dry spells. I think we are both in the same boat. I've got mates who can get women every night they go out and other mates in my boat. Hookers are a great relief. Even just going for a BJ. It's just good to know you can definitely get laid with a hot girl if you have the money. I've had the best BJs from hookers but the best sex from my last girlfriend. If sex was so easy to get, hookers wouldn't exist.

You're 21 for jaysus sake? "Great difficulty with women" is an entirely subjective standard. It's meaningless really as it says nothing about your ability to be able to interact with women other than it's simply an inconvenience you could do without when you want to have sex.

as for shaming men who visit hookers, i think you have to look at it from the mans side. When you can't get laid what are you supposed to do? I probably go to a hooker at least once a month and so do a good few of my mates. it depends if im in a relationship or not though.

I've looked. Suffice to say I wasn't impressed, it's not exactly an achievement, and I don't feel any sympathy for them.

When you can't get laid what are you supposed to do? Same thing everyone else does, make an effort to improve your chances by putting yourself out there more. The more you put yourself out there, the more you increase your chances of meeting someone of the opposite sex who has the same interest in you as you do in them. Your mates who are getting women every night are able to do so because they're taking the risk of putting themselves out there.

Btw, I wouldn't bother shaming anyone, that's not really my bag, I don't concern myself with their motives and I don't particularly care for their reasons. That's their own business. Nothing personal of course.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 06:52PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

If they tried it and thats their experience, why do you care? It does not mean every man will start visiting hookers but its the opinion of those that did.

There are also thing women (and men) can learn to improve their partners pleasure. Vagina weights are becoming popular for example.

I don't care. People can go and see hookers all they want.

I don't like when people make a general statement like its a fact for all or for average from only a few peoples opinion when their opinion is subjective. I really don't think people are reading my posts correctly or clearly just cannot comprehend it.

The whole idea screams of dehumanising women based on a few guys opinions.

There are hookers who are great at sex, bad at sex, who are mothers, who are daughters, who are bitches, who are kind hearted, who are selfish, who are everything else that other women are.

And there are women who are great at sex, bad at sex, who are mothers, who are daughters, who are bitches, who are kind hearted, who are selfish, who are everything else that other women are.

The message is that hookers are women. They are not super sexual beings placed on the earth. There is nothing a hooker can do, that another woman cannot do. Any woman tomorrow could go out and become a hooker, it does not mean she automatically becomes better at sex unless it is the fact that the man is paying for it that turns him on.

There is no bad guy here. its just different peoples opinion is not the basis for measuring an average of something or experiences that are different for everyone.

I really cant explain it again. If people don't get it, then that's grand and you can see the world your own way. nobody is trying to convince anyone that hookers are good or bad or women are good or bad. If anything at all it is the posters here that are trying to convince that hookers are better at sex than 'average women'. All I was trying to say is that everyone is individual and you cannot determine or measure sexual performance as an average because it differs for each person and each person thy are having sex with. Not really sure what people don't get there.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 06:54PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You're 21 for jaysus sake? "Great difficulty with women" is an entirely subjective standard. It's meaningless really as it says nothing about your ability to be able to interact with women other than it's simply an inconvenience you could do without when you want to have sex.

I've looked. Suffice to say I wasn't impressed, it's not exactly an achievement, and I don't feel any sympathy for them.

When you can't get laid what are you supposed to do? Same thing everyone else does, make an effort to improve your chances by putting yourself out there more. The more you put yourself out there, the more you increase your chances of meeting someone of the opposite sex who has the same interest in you as you do in them. Your mates who are getting women every night are able to do so because they're taking the risk of putting themselves out there.

Btw, I wouldn't bother shaming anyone, that's not really my bag, I don't concern myself with their motives and I don't particularly care for their reasons. That's their own business. Nothing personal of course.

im 21 which means a high libido, which means a need for a girlfriend which i had until recently.

i think you need to consider men who may be older than me and not find it easy to meet women (not that i do but i can do alright) and may go through LONG periods of involuntary celibacy. my mates who are good with women are mostly good looking, which im not. there is one guy who is average looking but just approaches so many girls but i just dont have the personality to do that unless im drunk and even then i don't know if i can meet someone. i dont mind going out and trying to meet someone but costwise paying for a hooker is probably the same as going out for a night out and to be honest there are just some nights when id rather know for sure that im going to get laid and go and enjoy it. i have a few mates who do the same. it's a pretty common occurance, although we keep it hush hush of course for obvious reasons.

i think that it is a great thing to have as it keeps men from becoming more and more sexually frustrated. id say i've been to about 12 hookers so far in ireland. only one was a bad experience. the rest have been pretty memorable and money very well spent.

Pleasurable Pursuit · 13-03-2015 06:54PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I don't care. People can go and see hookers all they want.

I don't like when people make a general statement like its a fact for all or for average from only a few peoples opinion when their opinion is subjective. I really don't think people are reading my posts correctly or clearly just cannot comprehend it.

The whole idea screams of dehumanising women based on a few guys opinions.

There are hookers who are great at sex, bad at sex, who are mothers, who are daughters, who are bitches, who are kind hearted, who are selfish, who are everything else that other women are.

And there are hookers who are great at sex, bad at sex, who are mothers, who are daughters, who are bitches, who are kind hearted, who are selfish, who are everything else that other women are.

The message is that hookers are women. They are not super sexual beings placed on the earth. There is nothing a hooker can do, that another woman cannot do. Any woman tomorrow could go out and become a hooker, it does not mean she automatically becomes better at sex unless it is the fact that the man is paying for it that turns him on.

There is no bad guy here. its just different peoples opinion is not the basis for measuring an average of something or experiences that are different for everyone.

I really cant explain it again. If people don't get it, then that's grand and you can see the world your own way. nobody is trying to convince anyone that hookers are good or bad or women are good or bad. If anything at all it is the posters here that are trying to convince that hookers are better at sex than 'average women'. All I was trying to say is that everyone is individual and you cannot determine or measure sexual performance as an average because it differs for each person and each person thy are having sex with. Not really sure what people don't get there.

You still haven't grasped the averages concept. It is not unreasonable to believe that hookers would be better ON AVERAGE compared to non hookers. I feel you are allowing the chip on your shoulder to influence your ability to reason and apply logic.

Roquentin · 13-03-2015 06:57PM

i think what they are trying to say is that if you took 100 escorts and 100 non escorts and looked at their performance, that statistically speaking the 100 escorts would come out more favorable.

jbtarmac121 · 13-03-2015 06:59PM

Pleasurable Pursuit wrote: »

You still haven't grasped the averages concept. It is not unreasonable to believe that hookers would be better ON AVERAGE compared to non hookers. I feel you are allowing the chip on your shoulder to influence your ability to reason and apply logic.

Well as far as oral sex goes, I think you could probably get a non hooker to be just as good as a hooker but only ever for me when i was in a long term relationship. it certainly seems like something that women i've met (not all women, im just generalising from women i've met) seem to need trust to do. add in the types of roleplays/"dirty talk" aspects that you can do with hookers straight away (in my experience i needed a lot of experience with my girlfriend to build trust to get there), then hookers win hands down. but that is a personal opinion. put it this way, if you had a long term girlfriend who was comfortable doing anything and you were too, then that would be better than a hooker but that takes a lot of time. hookers will do anything straight away

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