Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

1…1920222425…51

Comments

  • #632
    Dog of Tears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Carry on with your ridiculous and transparent thread. I'm definitely out.


    Wonder what way he's going to leave the thread tomorrow?


  • #633
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doctors-here-are-paid-too-much-says-new-eu-report-28957384.html

    Well that's the EU's position.
    You could always vote for SF who don't want economic policy to be dictated from Brussels. :-)


  • #634
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doctors-here-are-paid-too-much-says-new-eu-report-28957384.html

    Well that's the EU's position.
    You could always vote for SF who don't want economic policy to be dictated from Brussels. :-)
    I'm not arguing that doctors aren't well paid, or even that they are not paid too much. What I'm arguing is that there is a skills shortage in that area (hence recruiting a third of our doctors from abroad), and we are not going to increase the number of doctors by cutting their pay.

    So how does Sinn Fein propose improving the health service by (accidentally?) reducing the number of doctors and consultants to actually treat people?


  • #635
    NewCorkLad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doctors-here-are-paid-too-much-says-new-eu-report-28957384.html

    Well that's the EU's position.
    You could always vote for SF who don't want economic policy to be dictated from Brussels. :-)

    Or logic


  • #636
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/doctors-here-are-paid-too-much-says-new-eu-report-28957384.html

    Well that's the EU's position.
    You could always vote for SF who don't want economic policy to be dictated from Brussels. :-)

    That was published on 12/01/2013. With all due respects, that's more than 2 years ago. Additionally, it was a draft report, unnamed. If you want me to take you seriously, a copy of the finalised report would be more useful.


  • Advertisement
  • #637
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Calina wrote: »
    That was published on 12/01/2013. With all due respects, that's more than 2 years ago. Additionally, it was a draft report, unnamed. If you want me to take you seriously, a copy of the finalised report would be more useful.
    As opposed to your, let's see, no report, preliminary report, data or anything at all except "I said so".


  • #638
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    Or logic
    Where's "logic"? Do you mean "by logic"?


  • #639
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    I'll just try to nudge us back towards Sinn Fein health policy.
    RecordStraight wrote: »
    So how does Sinn Fein propose improving the health service by (accidentally?) reducing the number of doctors and consultants to actually treat people?


  • #640
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I'll just try to nudge us back towards Sinn Fein health policy.
    How do Sinn Fein plan on improving the health service by increasing the number of doctors and consultants to actually treat people?
    It's as valid as your own loaded question with its automatic assumption of reduction.


  • #641
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    How do Sinn Fein plan on improving the health service by increasing the number of doctors and consultants to actually treat people?
    It's as valid as your own loaded question with its automatic assumption of reduction.
    Ok - so how do Sinn Fein intend to attract (and retain) more doctors and consultants to work in Ireland by slashing their pay? :confused:


  • Advertisement
  • #642
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Ok - so how do Sinn Fein intend to attract (and retain) more doctors and consultants to work in Ireland by slashing their pay? :confused:
    They'll just get more of them from countries where Irish will still be comparatively a fantastically well remunerated place to live.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/hospitals-recruit-115-junior-doctors-from-pakistan-to-keep-going-30396028.html
    However, the HSE said the positions will be filled.
    "Vacancy data to date suggests that the fill rate of posts is slightly ahead of same period in 2013 and taking this into account, it is not anticipated at this time that there will be any reduction in service arising from difficulties filling posts," a spokeswoman said.
    No problems so far (that weren't already here).


  • #643
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    They'll just get more of them from countries where Irish will still be comparatively a fantastically well remunerated place to live.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/hospitals-recruit-115-junior-doctors-from-pakistan-to-keep-going-30396028.html

    No problems so far (that weren't already here).
    From the article:
    HOSPITALS have had to recruit 115 trainee medics from Pakistan to try to maintain services from next month amid fears of another major shortage in junior doctors.
    The problem with this is that we are in competition for the decent candidates. I'm sure we can ultimately get any number of cut-price doctors if we relax our standards sufficiently, but once again, I'm not sure that hiring bargain doctors from the third world is even going to maintain the standard of health care that we have now.


  • #644
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    From the article:
    The problem with this is that we are in competition for the decent candidates. I'm sure we can ultimately get any number of cut-price doctors if we relax our standards sufficiently
    What makes you think Pakistani doctors don't meet Irish standards? Because they get paid less? By that logic Irish medics aren't suitable to work in the US or Canada either.


  • #645
    Dog of Tears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    cardinals-Dr-Nick-Simpsons1.jpg

    The Shinners will just get us this guy and his friends.


  • #646
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    cartoon joke

    The Shinners will just get us this guy and his friends.
    As useful a contribution as ever.
    Can you provide data please showing Pakistani doctors do not meet Irish standards, or will you just Google "simply hilarious jpg" again?


  • #647
    Dog of Tears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    As useful a contribution as ever.
    Can you provide data please showing Pakistani doctors do not meet Irish standards, or will you just Google "simply hilarious jpg" again?

    Seeing as you represent SF policy (again ;)) - it's up to you to provide the proof to the Irish People that slashing the cost of Consultant's' salaries will not result in a reduction in standards of doctor's we can attract.


    Good luck with that btw.


  • #648
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    Seeing as you represent SF policy (again ;)) - it's up to you to provide the proof to the Irish People that slashing the cost of Consultant's' salaries will not result in a reduction in standards of doctor's we can attract.


    Good luck with that btw.
    Hard luck with that.
    Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster? is the title of the thread. This hasn't been proven yet so there's no converse to prove anyway.


  • #649
    Dog of Tears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hard luck with that.
    Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster? is the title of the thread. This hasn't been proven yet so there's no converse to prove anyway.


    I'm afraid you misunderstand.

    SF have a radical policy on slashing doctor's pay.

    SF need to prove this policy will not impact on our ability to attract competent Doctors.

    Why don't you get back onto Party headquarters and ask them what you should say, because the 'you need to prove me wrong' thing isn't working.


  • #650
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    the cost of Consultant's' salaries will not result in a reduction in standards of doctor's we can attract.


    in a health service were just today a work colleague ended up waiting for 4 hours for a pre-arranged appointment in a hospital, just to be told to come back in three months, i dont think the high salaries are doing much good tbh.


  • #651
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hard luck with that.
    Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster? is the title of the thread. This hasn't been proven yet so there's no converse to prove anyway.
    The party who makes the proposal (in this case SF) is the party that has to defend it. It's not the job of the attacker to prove why the proposal wouldn't work.


  • Advertisement
  • #652
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    I'm afraid you misunderstand.

    SF have a radical policy on slashing doctor's pay.

    SF need to prove this policy will not impact on our ability to attract competent Doctors.

    Why don't you get back onto Party headquarters and ask them what you should say, because the 'you need to prove me wrong' thing isn't working.
    What's radical about it? They've had their pay cut, like everyone else in the PS many times already and the HSE confirms recruitment is going just fine and at the same rate. And they constantly tell us it's not about salary, it's about conditions and workload, anyway.
    Why don't you get back to your party headquarters and ask them to write up a new list of lame memes for attacking SF because these ones you have are laughable.


  • #653
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The party who makes the proposal (in this case SF) is the party that has to defend it. It's not the job of the attacker to prove why the proposal wouldn't work.
    Nope, the title of the thread is suggesting a "looming disaster" which has never been proven. Now, if the title was "SF's proposed health policy" you'd have a case.
    As reality is different to what you are contesting you don't have one.


  • #654
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    Seeing as you represent SF policy
    Do I? I "represent" a political party policy?
    Just because you're not paranoid etc.


  • #655
    Dexter Thankful Prince
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Dexter Thankful Prince


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    What's radical about it? They've had their pay cut, like everyone else in the PS many times already and the HSE confirms recruitment is going just fine and at the same rate. And they constantly tell us it's not about salary, it's about conditions and workload, anyway.
    Why don't you get back to your party headquarters and ask them to write up a new list of lame memes for attacking SF because these ones you have are laughable.

    Afraid I've only just caught the end of this, but I would be quite certain that this is almost exactly wrong?

    Didn't the HSE have to do a swift about-turn with respect to pay cuts to fill positions?


  • #656
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Afraid I've only just caught the end of this, but I would be quite certain that this is almost exactly wrong?

    Didn't the HSE have to do a swift about-turn with respect to pay cuts to fill positions?
    It could be exactly wrong, but what do you have that contradicts this HSE statement to say so?


  • #657
    Dexter Thankful Prince
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Dexter Thankful Prince


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It could be exactly wrong, but what do you have that contradicts this HSE statement to say so?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/consultants-in-line-for-pay-increases-in-new-uturn-30495732.html

    Anything new since then?


  • #658
    NewCorkLad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭NewCorkLad


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It could be exactly wrong, but what do you have that contradicts this HSE statement to say so?

    You mean your statement?


  • #659
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    NewCorkLad wrote: »
    You mean your statement?
    So you didn't read the article I linked to then.
    But keep guessing instead if you prefer.


  • #660
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/consultants-in-line-for-pay-increases-in-new-uturn-30495732.html

    Anything new since then?
    Have they actually implemented it? A 30% pay increase? This is the one that was negotiated ages ago and shelved when FF sold off the country?


  • Advertisement
  • #661
    Dexter Thankful Prince
    Posts: 24,798 ✭✭✭✭ Dexter Thankful Prince


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Have they actually implemented it? A 30% pay increase? This is the one that was negotiated ages ago and shelved when FF sold off the country?

    The article is 6 months old. I can't recall FF having any power in that time.


Advertisement