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Shocking footage of teen stabbed for his Bike

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    Would these "multicultural" environments perhaps better be described as areas with high rates of poverty? Certain people want to paint crime as an issue inherent to certain races (particularly in the US, as you'll often see examples of in AH threads) but really, when you look at it, what you see is the same thing across the world: crime rates are higher among areas with higher rates of poverty.


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Nodin wrote: »
    Have you a few examples of where this happens elsewhere?

    I have an example of the senseless types of attacks in London.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2WuBKgLNw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdUICkVcnw

    There are so many. Once again it's not really about skin colour as you see the perpetrators can be of any ethnic background. Yet they seem to be much more savage when they have grown up in multicultural environments.

    I know that a similar culture exists in Paris.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Nodin wrote: »
    There's no evidence, white person was involved, I don't have a racist agenda nor do I intend to use this thread as a platform for such views, bumped now and again to keep it going...that kind of thing.

    You haven't answered with one shred of evidence as to how you or anyone else can know with 100% certainty the mindset and motivations of these criminals.

    As to the rest of your post:

    Updating threads with new and relevant info is necessary for those of us committed to truth and accuracy, can't imagine why that would offend you? Unless the updates serve to smash some of the more hysterical and erroneous claims made earlier in those threads of course.
    As well as all that, showing a genuine interest in the event's outcome ought to be of interest to everyone, not just those riding current events to display their PC credentials....you know, that kind of thing....;)

    Ps: You accusing others of having "agendas" on a chat site is quite comical.


  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭TommyOM


    I have an example of the senseless types of attacks in London.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2WuBKgLNw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdUICkVcnw

    There are so many. Once again it's not really about skin colour as you see the perpetrators can be of any ethnic background. Yet they seem to be much more savage when they have grown up in multicultural environments.

    I know that a similar culture exists in Paris.

    Your first link talks about vicious knife crime and yet two of the worst cities over the course of the last decade for knife crime have been Glasgow and Limerick which can hardly be deemed as being in anyway close to being multicultural compared to most cities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I have an example of the senseless types of attacks in London.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2WuBKgLNw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGdUICkVcnw

    There are so many. Once again it's not really about skin colour as you see the perpetrators can be of any ethnic background. Yet they seem to be much more savage when they have grown up in multicultural environments.

    I know that a similar culture exists in Paris.


    Well the French don't do multi-culturalism, so presumably by that term you mean "places where theres brown people" or something similar.

    A few years ago there was a rape in Limerick*, where a number of teenagers attacked a couple in a car. They locked the male in the boot and then raped the woman - one after the other - on top of it. In Belfast some time ago a teenager raped a teenage girl, then, having taken her mobile, rang her parents to tell them what he had done. Given that neither area was particularily "multi-cultural" I think your notion that such enviroments lead to more "savage" crimes entirely wrong.

    Actually it was Clare and one of them was from Limerick
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0627/64774-clare/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭LDN_Irish


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    You haven't answered with one shred of evidence as to how you or anyone else can know with 100% certainty the mindset and motivations of these criminals

    I'm curious, why do people saying that this is unlikely to be a racist attack need 100% proof, but this quote:

    "I hope they nail the bastards on a hate crime too. This is almost certainly racially motivated."

    Received a "thanks" from you? Are you a hypocrite?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    LDN_Irish wrote: »
    I'm curious, why do people saying that this is unlikely to be a racist attack need 100% proof, but this quote:

    "I hope they nail the bastards on a hate crime too. This is almost certainly racially motivated."

    Received a "thanks" from you? Are you a hypocrite?

    No, I'm not. There is a difference between claiming to know the criminal's mindset with certainty and someone else claiming "almost certainty" early on in the thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Cuban Pete wrote: »
    Would these "multicultural" environments perhaps better be described as areas with high rates of poverty? Certain people want to paint crime as an issue inherent to certain races (particularly in the US, as you'll often see examples of in AH threads) but really, when you look at it, what you see is the same thing across the world: crime rates are higher among areas with higher rates of poverty.

    This is a tired myth:
    “Owsley County, Ky. – There are lots of diversions in the Big White Ghetto, the vast moribund matrix of Wonder Bread–hued Appalachian towns and villages stretching from northern Mississippi to southern New York, a slowly dissipating nebula of poverty and misery with its heart in eastern Kentucky, the last redoubt of the Scots-Irish working class that picked up where African slave labor left off, mining and cropping and sawing the raw materials for a modern American economy that would soon run out of profitable uses for the class of people who 500 years ago would have been known, without any derogation, as peasants. …

    There’s a great deal of drug use, welfare fraud, and the like, but the overall crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two-thirds the national average, and the rate of violent crime is half the national average, according to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service. …”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367903/white-ghetto-kevin-d-williamson


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Baby Jane


    As discussed on the hate crimes thread, an attack on someone who has a different skin colour to their attackers (or the majority of their attackers) is not necessarily racially motivated - whatever colour skin the victim has.

    Sometimes the cries of "racist attack" (whatever the scenario, whatever the victim's skin colour) seem like agenda-pushing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 57 ✭✭BD45


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Try reversing the races in this terrible event and then imagine both the media coverage and worldwide "outrage" in response. You think racial motivation would be considered then? So...yeah, it works both ways.

    True. Hate crimes are only considered hate crimes when it's white on non-white.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    I get the impression from the f**tards who do this sort of thing that they don't seem to think that stabbing someone anywhere just the once can be fatal. The youngster in this case may have been damaged fatally in the heart, lung or aorta. Despite the rocketing property prices places like Islington are still a bit weird as to the juxtaposition of extreme wealth and comfort and dismal estates, Pimlico is like that as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    No, I'm not. There is a difference between claiming to know the criminal's mindset with certainty and someone else claiming "almost certainty" early on in the thread.

    Some people seem to think they know a criminals mindset merely from his presumed race, going on some posts in this thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Nodin wrote: »
    Some people seem to think they know a criminals mindset merely from his presumed race, going on some posts in this thread.

    But he didn't claim to know anything with certainty and later retracted his claim ...something you amicably discussed with him on this very thread. So why attack him now? It couldn't be to deflect attention away from the fact it's you who posted you just knew there was no racial aspect to this crime at all.

    But do carry on ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Wide Load


    To be fair it's not like Amazingfuns posts in other threads all share a common theme or anything..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    But he didn't claim to know anything with certainty and later retracted his claim ...something you amicably discussed with him on this very thread. So why attack him now? It couldn't be to deflect attention away from the fact it's you who posted you just knew there was no racial aspect to this crime at all.

    But do carry on ;)


    It's not him I'm talking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Wide Load wrote: »
    To be fair it's not like Amazingfuns posts in other threads all share a common theme or anything..


    Jaysus no, Jaysus no.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Wide Load wrote: »
    To be fair it's not like Amazingfuns posts in other threads all share a common theme or anything..

    Yes, a commitment to truth and actual facts is a fairly consistent theme of mine aright. Good to see you're paying such close attention to me and yet I can't recall a single memorable post of yours anywhere else at all. Pity....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭Wide Load


    Amazingfun wrote: »
    Yes, a commitment to truth and actual facts is a fairly consistent theme of mine aright. Good to see you're paying such close attention to me and yet I can't recall a single memorable post of yours anywhere else at all. Pity....

    It's hard not to pay attention when they pop up in every race related thread for some reason? You probably don't remember any of mine due to me being a new member and having less than 100 of them. They don't usually have sinister undertones in them either so there's that, not the most memorable. Anyway, best not drag the thread off topic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Nodin wrote: »
    Well the French don't do multi-culturalism, so presumably by that term you mean "places where theres brown people" or something similar.

    No I mean multicultural areas as in multiple cultures existing among one another in a high concentration usually the result of large migrations.

    Yes you can pick out a few from Belfast or Limerick but they're nothing like what happens in London.

    Here's an article from today about a crime from last year. It shows CCTV footage of a man stabbing a bus driver in the eye. This stuff happens all the time in London.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bus-driver-stabbed-in-the-eye-with-stanley-knife-in-shocking-cctv-footage-10085850.html

    You are being disingenuous in your ignorance.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    No I mean multicultural areas as in multiple cultures existing among one another in a high concentration usually the result of large migrations.

    Yes you can pick out a few from Belfast or Limerick but they're nothing like what happens in London..

    Dear me.

    Why do you think these people have anything other than a southern English/London culture?
    Here's an article from today about a crime from last year. It shows CCTV footage of a man stabbing a bus driver in the eye. This stuff happens all the time in London.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bus-driver-stabbed-in-the-eye-with-stanley-knife-in-shocking-cctv-footage-10085850.html

    You are being disingenuous in your ignorance.

    People get stabbed in many parts of the world, including here.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-stabbed-eight-times-and-blinded-in-eye-by-burglars-29767416.html

    If you have an argument, you aren't making it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭Pudders


    Just announced on London news on bbc 3 people arrested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Terrible thing to happen but touching on this gang thing again a lot of the scum yoofs seem to mix with each other these days. It's hilarious hearing white punks putting on black accents and referring to people as 'fam' or 'blud.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭66ad


    Nodin, you know damn well that, if this was a white gang stabbing a black guy for his bike it would be classed as a hate crime.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    66ad wrote: »
    Nodin, you know damn well that, if this was a white gang stabbing a black guy for his bike it would be classed as a hate crime.

    Nope, I know no such thing, thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭66ad


    Nodin wrote: »
    Nope, I know no such thing, thanks.


    C'mon now, you know...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Nodin wrote: »
    Nope, I know no such thing, thanks.


    You do know, you'd be the one person on here saying it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    You do know, you'd be the one person on here saying it.


    Ahh Fedor. Don't suppose this would be a claim you could actually back up? First time for everything if so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Amazingfun


    Wide Load wrote: »
    It's hard not to pay attention when they pop up in every race related thread for some reason? You probably don't remember any of mine due to me being a new member and having less than 100 of them. They don't usually have sinister undertones in them either so there's that, not the most memorable. Anyway, best not drag the thread off topic.


    A new member and yet already such an expert in alleged "sinister undertones" in other's posts.:rolleyes:
    Just announced on London news on bbc 3 people arrested.

    Anyways, back on topic, brilliant to hear they've made some arrests.
    Hopefully Alan Cartwright's family can glean a small measure of comfort from this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    MOD: If you can't all play nice, you won't be allowed to play at all. Stop all your bitching in After Hours. Take it to PM or get a room. Just keep it out of After Horus.


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