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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Crazy day on the positivity couch yesterday watching City against Liverpool.

    Taking that result as more "City dropping three points and the gap shortening on second" rather then "Liverpool winning closing gap on us".

    I don't like this looking over our shoulder craic in the battle for top four, think I'll cling onto grand dreams and take everything into context of us battling with City for second :)


    Also briefly scanned the Lfc vs MUFC garbage, and as usual its the eternal subjective opinion of "player ability on paper" vs "player ability on form". Liverpools individuals on paper would be in the majority sub par to many of the United squad, but put them together and you have a much better functioning team then what we have at present.

    I don't want to re-light that war of words, but there isn't actual anyone in the Liverpool team I'd sweat bullets and want in our squad( Coutinho, Sturridge and Sterling included) but I am envious of how their squad operate TOGETHER.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    stankratz wrote: »
    Seen that alright Bangkok and it wasn't pretty. I'm not one to support fans booing their own team, but I was happy to hear the home fans at the game express frustration with that move. It's literally as you said it; Corner kick - 2 passes later the ball was back with DDG. I think Evan's felt the brunt of the boos, but in fairness to him, the ball should have ended up nowhere near him in the first place. Who took that corner? Cause it was a shíte kick of the ball to start with.

    That happened twice in the first half, both boos aimed at Evans. And both deserving. He was under no pressure from Sunderland players and instead of trying to play forward, he fired 30yd+ back passes in both situations.

    Smalling was excellent I felt, he really displayed what Van Gaal is after, in a composed CB to bring the ball forward. He was neat, composed and thought he went great strides to shake off this tag as him being our worst/calamatous CB. Evans has very much taken up that mantle for me, and he is now the #1 for the cull come summer. Smalling doing great work to ensure he has a future at the club.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    TheDoc wrote: »
    That happened twice in the first half, both boos aimed at Evans. And both deserving. He was under no pressure from Sunderland players and instead of trying to play forward, he fired 30yd+ back passes in both situations.

    Smalling was excellent I felt, he really displayed what Van Gaal is after, in a composed CB to bring the ball forward. He was neat, composed and thought he went great strides to shake off this tag as him being our worst/calamatous CB. Evans has very much taken up that mantle for me, and he is now the #1 for the cull come summer. Smalling doing great work to ensure he has a future at the club.

    Yeah and there was another time when the ball was passed back to Smalling and, with little pressure on the defense, Evans pointed for him to play it back to DDG!

    I don't like booing but in both cases I felt it was needed to let the team (including management) know to cut that sh!te out!

    I'd love to see Young start every game now. He has been a great player so far this year - always looks like he is ready to kill someone for the team. He's really up for it and that's what's needed.

    Young, Rooney and ADM/Januzaj behind Falcao (or Rooney up top ahead of Mata) for next game please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Was so much conflicting written stuff yesterday and today about the shape.

    It looked to me like a 4-3-3 first half with Young left, Falcao right and Rooney in the centre. Was it three operating behind Falcao? The stream I was watching brought up numerous times, highlighting the front three, and it looked very much 4-3-3 to me. Maybe that was the way it was being presented and it was foreign commentary.

    Just heard a few pods and papers mention "three behind Falcao" and didn't seem that way to me at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    stankratz wrote: »
    Seen that alright Bangkok and it wasn't pretty. I'm not one to support fans booing their own team, but I was happy to hear the home fans at the game express frustration with that move. It's literally as you said it; Corner kick - 2 passes later the ball was back with DDG. I think Evan's felt the brunt of the boos, but in fairness to him, the ball should have ended up nowhere near him in the first place. Who took that corner? Cause it was a shíte kick of the ball to start with.

    Ashley young took the corner, over hit everyone.

    yea the groans from the crowd was obvious and then they broke straight into "attack, attack attack attack" van gaals was asked after the game about it, said he never heard it...:rolleyes:


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    TheDoc wrote: »
    That happened twice in the first half, both boos aimed at Evans. And both deserving. He was under no pressure from Sunderland players and instead of trying to play forward, he fired 30yd+ back passes in both situations.

    Smalling was excellent I felt, he really displayed what Van Gaal is after, in a composed CB to bring the ball forward. He was neat, composed and thought he went great strides to shake off this tag as him being our worst/calamatous CB. Evans has very much taken up that mantle for me, and he is now the #1 for the cull come summer. Smalling doing great work to ensure he has a future at the club.

    I did at first think it was harsh on Evans but in the replay saw that he was under no pressure and there was a player in red with space in CM he could have passed it to. I missed him signaling to Smalling to pass it back to DDG, that's not good.

    I have to agree, Smalling is coming on leaps and bounds in most aspects of his game. In fairness to him, that red card in the City game can skew perceptions of his season. It was horrendous at the time, but his football and defending have been good for the most part except for that one brain-fart. I can see a future for him at the club, unfortunately I can't say the same for Evans or Jones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    stankratz wrote: »
    that red card in the City game can skew perceptions of his season. It was horrendous at the time, but his football and defending have been good for the most part except for that one brain-fart. I can see a future for him at the club, unfortunately I can't say the same for Evans or Jones.

    Could have been his watershed moment. A word was maybe had, or maybe he saw the backlash in the media and the fans, it was pretty evident that there was a wave of negativity towards him and he was nailed on to be gone in the summer.

    Coupled with the fact there is no secret we need a CB and want a CB, with two players confirming in recent weeks we made offers both in January last summer.

    I don't think it's outragous to suggest that he knows his time is running thin and he needs to start showing he has a future at the club. And fair play to him if he does manage to continue what I think has been a solid turn of form.

    I personally still prefer Rojo operating at CB, but Van Gaal clearly has issues with Shaw so we might see more of Rojo at Lb with Smalling and Jones taking up CB slots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    I'd love to be positive, but playing Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal twice, City and Chlesea in the run-in playing the way we have been awakens the pessimist in me

    Liverpool only need us to lose once then match our results really

    Hopefully I'm proved wrong


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Elliott Ugly Owl


    Lads, any word on Michael Carrick?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Lads, any word on Michael Carrick?

    I think he's back training but lacks match "tempo"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    I'd love to be positive, but playing Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal twice, City and Chlesea in the run-in playing the way we have been awakens the pessimist in me

    Liverpool only need us to lose once then match our results really

    Hopefully I'm proved wrong

    I'm more worried about the potential to drop points to the teams sitting below us rather the direct rivals.

    Swansea was a disaster start to the current run. Sunderland better, Newcastle needs to be a win no excuses.

    I'm confident Van Gaal is comfortable and knows how to get the team setup against the big teams, rivals and confident the players believe in him. I've seen enough against Chelsea, City and Arsenal to feel he is up for the big games.

    We seem to be void of ideas and direction when teams completely sit of us and let us have that dominating possesion. Again on Saturday Sunderland let us do what we wanted, even in their own half, but we didn't seem that threatening. I feel with Herrera and Young we are a little faster in what we do, but it's still not creating enough threat, consistently enough.

    We hemmed Sunderland in for vast periods in that game, but there wasn't what you would describe " a siege".

    Argueably Chelsea will be happy to sit of us and let us do that, smashing us on the break which will be a concern. But Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and City...they will feel the onus to not sit back and attack. That might well play to our advantage, where possession turns over the immediate reaction will be to break.

    Might also be helpful for Falcao, who is totally hapless in the current vein of slow buildup, and packed defending centrally. A game stretched would put him on the front foot running towards goal, where he excels.

    Then again Wilson mgiht well get the start ahead of him..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Lads, any word on Michael Carrick?

    He was on the bench on Saturday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Lads, any word on Michael Carrick?

    yea he is back fit, was on the bench saturday


  • Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Elliott Ugly Owl


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    I think he's back training but lacks match "tempo"

    Would love to see him back for the Liverpool game, possibly a sub for Newcastle game midweek?

    We really need to figure out how to stunt the space Liverpool are creating in midfield going on current form.

    It's time for Di Maria to get his head straight IMO, a short period on the bench might help.
    If we can stick with Young / Januzaj on the wings, then get Carrick to sit in front of defence and distribute the ball from the back, Blind to chase down / regain possession(needs to do a job on Coutinho) and Herrera or Mata as AM
    And leave Rooney or Falcoa up top, or both if its 3 at the back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Lads do any of ye pay to stream games online and is it any good. Can't afford Sky Sports and watched a few games online the weekend and my head was wrecked with stop-starting streams. Can anybody recommend a paying site that is of good quality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Would love to see him back for the Liverpool game, possibly a sub for Newcastle game midweek?

    We really need to figure out how to stunt the space Liverpool are creating in midfield going on current form.

    It's time for Di Maria to get his head straight IMO, a short period on the bench might help.
    If we can stick with Young / Januzaj on the wings, then get Carrick to sit in front of defence and distribute the ball from the back, Blind to chase down / regain possession(needs to do a job on Coutinho) and Herrera or Mata as AM
    And leave Rooney or Falcoa up top, or both if its 3 at the back

    being a Newcastle lad and a good player obviously id say he will start the game wed, di maria will more than likely drop to the bench


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Lads do any of ye pay to stream games online and is it any good. Can't afford Sky Sports and watched a few games online the weekend and my head was wrecked with stop-starting streams. Can anybody recommend a paying site that is of good quality.

    Probably on the fringe of the charter there unfortunately. There is no "real" subscription service I'm aware of that provides the games without requiring some form of fiddling.

    Fox Sports Netherlands typically airs all the United games, as do Canal+ in most cases and America has a station that airs them too. But I don't think you can get any of them as online services unfortunately.

    The unfortunate situation with the new TV deal is that games are going to be further segregated between stations going forward, and the possability of a team specific package( like you can get for US sports) is totally gone of the table now due to the value of the latest TV deal.

    There is a healthy amount of games coming up on Sky over the next month. Unfortunately its rare to get a good deal on Sky, even rarer to get a one month sub, typically they want a 12 month subscription.

    Obviously we are all wise to the options out there, I use them as much as anyone. But I've become a bit annoyed at how certain things has developed this season. I've actually sent some enquiry mails to see if it's possible to get a Fox subscription in Ireland an explore the costs involved. They provide 720p coverage of the games and I can handle the foreign commentary which doesn't annoy me, I just was stable quality. I'm aware that its a popular package in the UK, and I just want to see what sort of infrastructure is required to make it feasible.


  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd love to be positive, but playing Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal twice, City and Chlesea in the run-in playing the way we have been awakens the pessimist in me

    Liverpool only need us to lose once then match our results really

    Hopefully I'm proved wrong
    The only thing is that the style of play may actually be more suited to those teams. I can picture Hazard having a field day as usual against United but keeping the ball against these teams is something that they wouldn't be used to and should work in United's favour as it did in most of the games so far against these teams. I think United were far better than City in the game earlier in the season but Aguero was unstoppable and got the draw against Chelsea. Beat Arsenal and Liverpool playing as bad as they are now too. Reluctantly optimistic and Di Maria has to play these games no matter how bad he has been playing because these are the games he can make the difference in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Probably on the fringe of the charter there unfortunately. There is no "real" subscription service I'm aware of that provides the games without requiring some form of fiddling.

    Fox Sports Netherlands typically airs all the United games, as do Canal+ in most cases and America has a station that airs them too. But I don't think you can get any of them as online services unfortunately.

    The unfortunate situation with the new TV deal is that games are going to be further segregated between stations going forward, and the possability of a team specific package( like you can get for US sports) is totally gone of the table now due to the value of the latest TV deal.

    There is a healthy amount of games coming up on Sky over the next month. Unfortunately its rare to get a good deal on Sky, even rarer to get a one month sub, typically they want a 12 month subscription.

    Obviously we are all wise to the options out there, I use them as much as anyone. But I've become a bit annoyed at how certain things has developed this season. I've actually sent some enquiry mails to see if it's possible to get a Fox subscription in Ireland an explore the costs involved. They provide 720p coverage of the games and I can handle the foreign commentary which doesn't annoy me, I just was stable quality. I'm aware that its a popular package in the UK, and I just want to see what sort of infrastructure is required to make it feasible.

    Not looking for free streams. I just thought their were one or two legitimate sites where you pay a monthly fee to stream games online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    I haven't had sky for years now. Can't justify paying that mad money when you can get all they show and more for the price of a pint online.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    was at the game on saturday and the booing for the two pass backs to de gea were so loud never heard anything like that. There was also a big boo for falcao being taken off.

    Smalling, Januzji played really well impressed by them a lot.

    but the one thing i noticed more then anything else is that every player seems to playing the safe ball all the time and it gets move sideways far too much. Falcao, young and rooney made some good runs in the first half but no seemed willing to play the through ball. The play is still too slow but it was a lot better then the previous games and formation is worked better but rooney and falcao were still dropping too deep and this hurt as then there was not enough bodies in the middle when crosses came in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭Sheepy99


    kryogen wrote: »
    Probably, but those who use an argument that consists of, "Well Jose obviously didn't rate him so he must be bad" and think it makes any sort of relevant point should be slapped hard.

    Of course. Anyone who thinks that a player whose great in one system will automatically be great in another, or vice versa doesn't know much about the game. There's only certain players that can play for Mourinho, and they're workhorses. That doesn't necessarily make them any better than others, but that's just how his teams roll.

    He has, and will continue to let go of countless players who were better before he managed them, nosedive a bit under his watch, and then regain their level again when either he or the player themself moves on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    I'd like to see Di Maria given a more restricted role on the wing for the next while. His form is horrible just now, but giving him a straightforward job to do - like Young and Januzaj have been playing - might give him a chance to play himself back into some form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Winston Payne


    Pro. F wrote: »
    I'd like to see Di Maria given a more restricted role on the wing for the next while. His form is horrible just now, but giving him a straightforward job to do - like Young and Januzaj have been playing - might give him a chance to play himself back into some form.
    His crossing is appalling. Putting him out wide is a bad idea. If he's not in the middle, he should be benched. He doesn't need mollycoddling, he's a senior professional. No lack of effort from him on Saturday to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    His crossing is appalling. Putting him out wide is a bad idea. If he's not in the middle, he should be benched. He doesn't need mollycoddling, he's a senior professional. No lack of effort from him on Saturday to be fair.

    A few months ago he was the best at crossing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    His crossing is appalling. Putting him out wide is a bad idea. If he's not in the middle, he should be benched. He doesn't need mollycoddling, he's a senior professional. No lack of effort from him on Saturday to be fair.

    in fairness to him, he put in an unbelievable cross on Saturday, just wasn't scored


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    As far as next is concerned to become challengers I believe we need to do 3 things

    1. Add speed in attack

    2. Add class and authority in midfield

    3.Add steal and Leadership at the back


    There's no doubt we should be closer to the top than we are this season, as far as I am concerned we didn't need falcao because the formation we should be playing is 4-2-3-1 which means Rooney or RVP up front on there own with attackers to the left and right of the 3 behind and a creative number 10, this is how chelsea set themselves up and this is how we should be set also

    Mata would thrive as a number 10 if he was just behind alone striker with pacy players to either side of him, we have NEVER used him this way.This is how he has stared for Chelsea in the past, for us its either been shunted on the wing or as a number 10 in a diamond midfield behind 2 slow enough strikers looking for the same space

    For next season I would not sign Falcao, I would tell RVP he will be rotated with Rooney for the lone striker role. I would do my upmost to sign a bale robben or reus type player, I would give di-maria another chance unless he wants to leave for either flank. I would sell carrick and keep blind as a sub, I wold try and sign verrati and modric(if pogba goes to madrid hes game time will be limited) but I dont think modric is a lvg type player. In defence I would sign godin and clyne


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,825 ✭✭✭Timmyctc


    As far as next is concerned to become challengers I believe we need to do 3 things

    1. Add speed in attack

    2. Add class and authority in midfield

    3.Add steal and Leadership at the back


    There's no doubt we should be closer to the top than we are this season, as far as I am concerned we didn't need falcao because the formation we should be playing is 4-2-3-1 which means Rooney or RVP up front on there own with attackers to the left and right of the 3 behind and a creative number 10, this is how chelsea set themselves up and this is how we should be set also

    Mata would thrive as a number 10 if he was just behind alone striker with pacy players to either side of him, we have NEVER used him this way.This is how he has stared for Chelsea in the past, for us its either been shunted on the wing or as a number 10 in a diamond midfield behind 2 slow enough strikers looking for the same space

    For next season I would not sign Falcao, I would tell RVP he will be rotated with Rooney for the lone striker role. I would do my upmost to sign a bale robben or reus type player, I would give di-maria another chance unless he wants to leave for either flank. I would sell carrick and keep blind as a sub, I wold try and sign verrati and modric(if pogba goes to madrid hes game time will be limited) but I dont think modric is a lvg type player. In defence I would sign godin and clyne

    Anychance of a Fantasy XI to illustrate that point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,057 ✭✭✭✭adox


    What I read from Shadows post is: we are ok in the goalkeeping position.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,825 ✭✭✭Mikeyt086


    These two accidentally wore the exact same clothes to training today.

    <3<3<3

    w9w3mq.jpg


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