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Your default lane for driving on M50 or other 3 lane road

  • 02-03-2015 8:54am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    So its complained a lot about on the motors forum..Im definitely of teh keep left as much as possible brigade. But I know a lot of people dont. Coming back up the m50 last night at 7pm, people religiously sticking to centre and right lanes, and not moving even "on request"..Left lane was clear for very long stretchs.

    So posting this in after hours to get more general opinion. Whats your "goto" lane (Not that you shoudl have one of course) on the M50 and why?

    To clarify...By option 1, I mean leftmost lane but not undertaking. ie using the motorway the way you are meant to legally use it, sorry for the confusion, a MOD can edit if they get time please.

    What s your "go to" lane on the M50? 275 votes

    The Leftmost lane, cos thats where YOU ARE MEANT TO BE!
    0% 0 votes
    The middle lane, I dont like overtaking and the left lane is for slow drivers
    78% 215 votes
    The right lane, cos why would I be anywhere else!
    16% 45 votes
    Any lane, I will undertake and overtake to keep making progress.
    5% 15 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Too slow in the slow lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Left most lane is usually the emptiest.

    So, that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,518 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    I chose option 4 as the idiots who use option 2 and 3 won't get into the correct lane leaving me with no other way to overtake.

    I do use option 1, the leftmost lane, where its possible. This usually results in lots of undertaking people in lane 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Hmm should say leftmost lane with free space, moving to the right to overtake and then moving back in afterwards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    The fast lane!

    :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭eamonnq


    The left most lane but will usually end up undertaking people in the lane to the right of me, just seems a bit ridiculous to have to have to switch lanes to over take them when the lane in front of me is clear (IYKWIM).


  • Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Keep left unless overtaking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,479 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    The fast lane!

    :D

    Foot to the floor.

    Blast em out of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭mackerski


    So posting this in after hours to get more general opinion. Whats your "goto" lane on the M50 and why?

    If you have a "goto" lane you're doing it wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    It depends on the part of the M50 and the time of day.

    In the mornings I HAVE to stay in the rightmost lane as it is dangerous in the centre lane with idiots in the centre lane who try to skip the exit queue and STOP and sit indicating to get into the leftmost lane for the Sandyford exit. Coming to a dead stop and sitting indicating on the M50 is so dangerous, there should be very harsh penalties for it. If theyve missed the queue they should continue to the next exit and come round.

    Once past that I move to the centre lane which actually becomes the leftmost lane past that anyway.

    In the evenings I stick in the leftmost lane until it becomes the centre lane and then get into the left lane one exit before my own.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    kneemos wrote: »
    Too slow in the slow lane.
    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    The fast lane!

    :D

    There are actually no such thing as these lanes and when people learn that then they might start driving on motorways properly. Until then people will continue to see the left hand lane as a shameful lane for grannies or men with hats and won't drive in it.

    The amount of people I see joining a motorway at 50-60km an hour which is far too slow and then goings straight to the middle lane is unreal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    mackerski wrote: »
    If you have a "goto" lane you're doing it wrong.

    This is my point. You see them merging at the entrances and then just going strauight to the middle lane for instance and staying there.

    So basically my options are stay in teh empty left lane and undertake. Or do 4 manouveres every time there is a car in middle lane ie the proper way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Middle lane, happy medium sandwiched between terrified Micra drivers on the left and egotistical tailgating BMW/Audi driving w@nkers on the right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Seems as though most answers here is correct it would seem boards is a middle lane hog free community:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    My girlfriend is a Lane Hog:eek::o

    We were going out a good 3 months before she collected me from a friend's place in Newcastle, and for the first (and last) time I saw her driving on the M50.

    She starts off in the left lane, and a few overtakes later, she's in the overtaking (the right-most) lane. First I said nothing, just kept looking in the rear view mirror to give her a hint. Then I says "car coming up behind you there" and she says "I'm going at the limit" or something like that.

    As someone who uses the motorway fairly regularly, this attitude stinks and it drives me mad. It doesn't matter if you're going at the speed limit! Go at the speed limit in the left lane.

    By the way, if people want to break the speed limit in the overtaking lane, that's their prerogative; sometimes it's even necessary. Lane hogs need to stop acting like the police.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭maximoose


    The poll results sadly don't reflect real life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The M50 needs to be declassified as a motorway simply because the normal rules of a motorway cannot apply for about half of it (exits 5/6-11) due to the volume of traffic and the amount of exits/merges over those few km.

    Northbound Exit 10 (Ballymount) to 9 (Naas/N7) is a perfect example of a bad junction - the merge is far too short and overlaps with an equally short exit for the N7. Then when you DO get onto the N7, you have to be wary of being sideswiped by cars trying to get to the LUAS exit or Bewleys. Given the volume of traffic that leaves for the N7 at peak, it's chaos.
    Also the so-called "free flow junctions are anything but as the half-assed job means you have to slow right down rather than merge and join at speed

    I very much doubt this poll is accurate given that the vast majority of drivers sit in the middle/outer lanes in my experience.. but then as well as the above design issues, when you have trucks lumbering along in lane 1, people diving for the exit at the last minute and cutting out in front of you on the other side as they merge, it's not surprising that most people stay well clear of this. In heavy traffic all lanes should be used as driving lanes IMO and AGS would be better employed going after the rampant tailgating, learner drivers, undertaking/weaving, and idiots who drive around in the dark/bad weather with no or minimal lighting.

    Myself I generally do sit in lane 2/3 but then I'm usually travelling the length of the M50 (or at least half of it) and do so at the maximum (safe) speed permitted by the conditions. Because of the free-for-all between the junctions I mentioned above, coupled with lack of enforcement by AGS beyond "speeding" and tax checks, you're damn right that I'll stay well away from the ducking and diving that goes on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I don't think the m50 was built when I did my driving test. I certainly was never taught how to drive on it. So normally I undertake merrily on the left lane. Is that very bad?!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭CJ Haughey


    Hard shoulder with the left indicator constant on like the rally car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭dan185


    It's not just the m50, Irish drivers are predominantly thick.

    I drive the full length of the n7 regularly and as soon as you hit Kildare you can stick to the left lane as its empty and the other two are rammed with people doing 80kmh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    murpho999 wrote: »
    There are actually no such thing as these lanes and when people learn that then they might start driving on motorways properly. Until then people will continue to see the left hand lane as a shameful lane for grannies or men with hats and won't drive in it.

    The amount of people I see joining a motorway at 50-60km an hour which is far too slow and then goings straight to the middle lane is unreal.

    True. Whats worse is when you get someone infront of you in the right lane on an EMPTY motorway or HQDC, but think because they are doing near or on the speed limit they think, ah shure, its the fast lane, its alright.

    A similar thing is when you have a constant 80km driver on a single carriage way road, and come across a overtaking lane on a steep climb, the 80km driver sticks the overtaking because the empty lane to his left is marked the slow lane, they think, I'm not going slow, i'll stick here. Last time i came arcross one of these drivers, even a flash of the lights, and my right indicator, still did make them cop on they were in the wrong.

    Even though we are a small island, shared by two nations, i find the standard of Motorway driving way better in the North, despite a smaller population and network.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I don't think the m50 was built when I did my driving test. I certainly was never taught how to drive on it. So normally I undertake merrily on the left lane. Is that very bad?!

    Not sure if serious..

    But if so then yes it is.. the rule is to overtake on the right, so while drivers SHOULD be looking around them before changing lanes a lot of them don't and won't expect you to be on their left which can lead to "problems"

    If you're in the blind spot of a bus or truck then this becomes even more serious.

    Move right if overtaking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭eamonnq


    maximoose wrote: »
    The poll results sadly don't reflect real life

    Everybody on boards is perfect, it is the non-boardsies that are doing it wrong!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    How nice another Dublin thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭dan185


    I don't think the m50 was built when I did my driving test. I certainly was never taught how to drive on it. So normally I undertake merrily on the left lane. Is that very bad?!

    I took my test 18 months ago and wasn't taught either, but I certainly was taught how to drive!

    Stick to the left lane on every road unless overtaking the vehicle(s) in front then merge back left. If the lad in the centre lane tries to merge you're undertaking him, if you want to get past him you should merge centre behind him then merge right into the outside lane to overtake.

    Having said that, most of the time on the m50 it's irrelevant because nobody else knows how o drive either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭eamonnq


    I don't think the m50 was built when I did my driving test. I certainly was never taught how to drive on it. So normally I undertake merrily on the left lane. Is that very bad?!

    Not very bad, but could be dangerous. It may well be illegal.

    The danger is the driver in the lane to the right of you not looking or indicating and just moving into the lane you are in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    True. Whats worse is when you get someone infront of you in the right lane on an EMPTY motorway or HQDC, but think because they are doing near or on the speed limit they think, ah shure, its the fast lane, its alright.

    A similar thing is when you have a constant 80km driver on a single carriage way road, and come across a overtaking lane on a steep climb, the 80km driver sticks the overtaking because the empty lane to his left is marked the slow lane, they think, I'm not going slow, i'll stick here. Last time i came arcross one of these drivers, even a flash of the lights, and my right indicator, still did make them cop on they were in the wrong.

    Even though we are a small island, shared by two nations, i find the standard of Motorway driving way better in the North, despite a smaller population and network.

    That is nothing to do with roads or population but how we are thought to drive.
    A lot of people are out there driving having been thought by their parents (who probably had a licence without a test during the amnesty) or by unregulated instructors.
    Motorway driving was never instructed or tested. Major focus was on the three point turn and reversing around the corner.
    Even in the revised testing whereby you have to have some professional lessons by a regulated instructor you are are not thought motorway driving or tested on it. It's just simply wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    During heavy traffic, I tend to use the middle lane while covering a long distance so as to avoid the merges and exits... else left lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    How nice another Dublin thread.

    Well if it helps, what's being talked about equally applies to the N40 in Cork or the part of the N7 that's in Kildare :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Falcon L


    On every other motorway in the country, I keep to the leftmost available lane. As I approach Dublin, the really bad lane discipline starts. The M50 in particular is a jungle with 'survival' driving being necessary. I like to be at the speed limit so I usually end up in the right hand lane much closer to the car in front than I want to be.

    If I travel in the left hand lane I get trapped there behind the slower drivers, who are quite entitled to travel at a slower speed if they want. No way would you be let into the middle lane.

    If I travel in the middle lane I get trapped there when I inevitably end up behind behind a middle lane hogger doing 70kph. No way would you be let into the outer lane.

    So I end up in the right hand lane where I drive too close to the car in front as leaving any gap more than a car length results in an Audi or BMW arse filling it. I'm happy to let another car in to the line in front of me. All it takes is a right indicator and I will ease off, creating a safe gap. But this rarely happens.

    The M50 is a bit of an exception though. It is almost constantly full and all lanes need to be used. Something needs to be done about driver behaviour. Tailgating, undertaking and weaving need to be tackled. Won't happen, of course, but needs to happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    I don't think the m50 was built when I did my driving test. I certainly was never taught how to drive on it. So normally I undertake merrily on the left lane. Is that very bad?!
    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Not sure if serious..

    But if so then yes it is.. the rule is to overtake on the right, so while drivers SHOULD be looking around them before changing lanes a lot of them don't and won't expect you to be on their left which can lead to "problems"

    If you're in the blind spot of a bus or truck then this becomes even more serious.

    Move right if overtaking


    If you are switching from the middlelane to the left lane, and visa versa, then this is highly dangerous, illegal, and called undertaking.

    If you are sticking to the left lane, you are simply going by slower moving traffic, however you still run that risk of being caught in a blind spot, and if seen by a member of AGS, they could still say you were undertaking, even though you have not switchee lane, and even if the slower driver in the right lane is impeding traffic flow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,591 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Falcon L wrote: »
    On every other motorway in the country, I keep to the leftmost available lane. As I approach Dublin, the really bad lane discipline starts. The M50 in particular is a jungle with 'survival' driving being necessary. I like to be at the speed limit so I usually end up in the right hand lane much closer to the car in front than I want to be.

    If I travel in the left hand lane I get trapped there behind the slower drivers, who are quite entitled to travel at a slower speed if they want. No way would you be let into the middle lane.

    If I travel in the middle lane I get trapped there when I inevitably end up behind behind a middle lane hogger doing 70kph. No way would you be let into the outer lane.

    So I end up in the right hand lane where I drive too close to the car in front as leaving any gap more than a car length results in an Audi or BMW arse filling it. I'm happy to let another car in to the line in front of me. All it takes is a right indicator and I will ease off, creating a safe gap. But this rarely happens.

    The M50 is a bit of an exception though. It is almost constantly full and all lanes need to be used. Something needs to be done about driver behaviour. Tailgating, undertaking and weaving need to be tackled. Won't happen, of course, but needs to happen.

    This is just wrong as well as they should be travelling at the same speed as the rest of the traffic.

    In some countries there are minimum speeds on motorways and that should apply here to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Because of the free-for-all between the junctions I mentioned above, coupled with lack of enforcement by AGS beyond "speeding" and tax checks, you're damn right that I'll stay well away from the ducking and diving that goes on.
    I think it's amazing that someone can fail to see the connection between undertaking and slow drivers hogging the right-most lane.

    Why do you think we're undertaking in the first place?

    Because people are doing it wrong with the overtaking lane, and they think it's ok because they're going the whole length of the m50 or some such excuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Mint Sauce wrote: »
    If you are switching from the middlelane to the left lane, and visa versa, then this is highly dangerous, illegal, and called undertaking.

    If you are sticking to the left lane, you are simply going by slower moving traffic, however you still run that risk of being caught in a blind spot, and if seen by a member of AGS, they could still say you were undertaking, even though you have not switchee lane, and even if the slower driver in the right lane is impeding traffic flow.

    This defence won't hold up - "slower moving traffic" is intended as meaning crawling traffic, not cars doing 70-100 km/h. Overtake on the right. The only other time it's permitted to pass on the left is if cars are stopped to turn right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I have little or no reason to be on the M50 these days, unless I'd be going to Lucan or Clondalkin or somewhere like that, perish the thought!

    There are a lot of times you can get where you are going quicker by city driving anyway, the M50 is like one of them travelators in an airport with a load of Spanish grannies on it. Much easier to pound the corridors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    conorh91 wrote: »
    I think it's amazing that someone can fail to see the connection between undertaking and slow drivers hogging the right-most lane.

    Why do you think we're undertaking in the first place?

    Because people are doing it wrong with the overtaking lane, and they think it's ok because they're going the whole length of the m50 or some such excuse.

    That'd be fine if cars in the right lane were doing maybe 10-20 km/h below the limit but in my experience, the right lane IS usually the only one where traffic moves at the posted limit (when safe to do so).

    Speaking for myself I certainly don't dawdle at all and like to get where I'm going as quickly as possible so if it's safe to do 100-ish I'll DO 100-ish. If some bell-end in a BMW (cause it's almost always a BMW) wants to try and force his way past when there's a line of cars ahead and cars on my left then he won't be intimidating me... I'll move left when I deem it safe/appropriate to do so, not because of some asshat with an inferiority complex.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Falcon L wrote: »
    ...I usually end up in the right hand lane much closer to the car in front than I want to be.

    So I end up in the right hand lane where I drive too close to the car in front...

    Something needs to be done about driver behaviour...

    Indeed!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,398 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    The furthest right, hovering just on the speed limit to ensure other drivers don't accidentally break it.

    It's rewarding when they flash their lights and beep in appreciation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Left lane usually, but with the amount of undertaking, people skipping queued traffic at exits, leap frogging, unpredictable lane changing (no indication), it's hard to know where to drive a lot of the time. Sometimes you have to rely on instinct and try and watch out for the tools that surround you on this stretch of road.

    The lane discipline is appalling on the M50 - dual lane motorways here were always going to be a stretch for the average Irish driver, but three lanes blows a lot of peoples' minds.

    I was driving home northbound a few weekend ago - in the left lane, indicating and exiting at the N3 and travelling at 100kph - I'd already passed the 3 stripe indication marker for the exit.

    This kn0b in taxi decides that's not fast enough, overtakes me and about 2 or 3 other cars then darts in left in front of us. I was behind him at the lights existing the Blanchardstown roundabout. From what I could see, he didn't have an apparent medical emergency or his car didn't appear to be on fire - he just did the maneuver for the sake of it. That's the thing about the M50 - people will pull a stupid stunt like that , endangering those around them, to get 2 or perhaps 3 cars ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Falcon L


    murpho999 wrote: »
    This is just wrong as well as they should be travelling at the same speed as the rest of the traffic.

    In some countries there are minimum speeds on motorways and that should apply here to.
    There are no such minimum speed laws here. It's not wrong to go below the speed limit. Some vehicles have no choice, some drivers choose to relax a bit and cruise. It's not wrong just because you say it is.

    Just stay the hell out of the way of other drivers, who want to go at or above the limit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hermy wrote: »
    Indeed!

    He's right to be fair... trying to leave a sufficient gap to a car ahead just invites guys on your left to force their way into that spot. Anything more than a car length or so is asking for trouble.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    He's right to be fair... trying to leave a sufficient gap to a car ahead just invites guys on your left to force their way into that spot. Anything more than a car length or so is asking for trouble.

    And we wonder why there are so many accidents?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    he won't be intimidating me... I'll move left when I deem it safe/appropriate to do so,
    So said every lane hog ever.

    It isn't about you. Nobody is trying to "intimidate" you; they're trying to arrive faster, and it isn't your job to police them. Just stay in the correct lane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hermy wrote: »
    And we wonder why there are so many accidents?

    .. because guy in middle lane sees the gap and decides to just cut in right regardless, causing the car behind him (that left that gap) to jam on.

    Then you have the ones who cut across 3 lanes of traffic at the last minute to get to their exit, or will slow down dramatically while they wait for someone to let them across


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    .. because guy in middle lane sees the gap and decides to just cut in right regardless, causing the car behind him (that left that gap) to jam on...

    Which is why you leave a sufficient gap - so you don't have to jam on.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Falcon L


    Hermy wrote: »
    Indeed!
    That's it? Your entire contribution to the debate?

    I was being honest and telling of my experience on the M50.

    What way do you drive on it? Middle lane at 70kmh? Or like most other posters here are you the model driver that you never see on the M50.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    conorh91 wrote: »
    So said every lane hog ever.

    It isn't about you. Nobody is trying to "intimidate" you; they're trying to arrive faster, and it isn't your job to police them. Just stay in the correct lane.

    If some bell-end is close enough that they look like they're in your back seat when you look in the mirror, then that's too close.

    And no, I will not move into a line of slower traffic just to accommodate/facilitate them when there's a line of traffic ahead of me already.

    However I think you're confusing what I said with the notion that I would sit in the lane with nothing ahead.. in that cases I'd already be left :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hermy wrote: »
    Which is why you leave a sufficient gap - so you don't have to jam on.

    You clearly don't drive on the M50 much

    Leave gap.. car dives in at usually a slower speed than the lane they're joining.. gap dramatically reduces = slow down rapidly or run into the back of said muppet.

    You decide :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 306 ✭✭SweetChaos


    I stay in the middle lane because the left lane has traffic coming on and off the ramps


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Falcon L wrote: »
    That's it? Your entire contribution to the debate?

    I was being honest and telling of my experience on the M50.

    What way do you drive on it? Middle lane at 70kmh? Or like most other posters here are you the model driver that you never see on the M50.

    Should I commend you for being honest about your bad driving?
    And as you asked the question, what's to be done about it?

    And fo what it's worth I drive in the appropriate lane at the appropriate speed for the conditions.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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