Strike On ! Proposed New Junior Cert **See Mod Warning Post #1**

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Just to explore the issue a bit... I think most of us are in agreement that there's always a pressure to 'finish and revise' by May 3rd year!

If the sit down june 3rd year traditional exams were lessened then it might free up more time . Maybe say for projects to cover and be done with some sections of the old course by, say may 2nd yr or feb-march 3rd year!

Would that be so bad?

Or is it just written exams in 3rd yr june we want, nothing more, nothing less?

Interesting points here,but I,for one,will not aid and abet a money saving scheme just to let that coalition Govt off the hook. Because that's what it all amounts to at this stage. Let them off the hook and save them some money in the process. And we all know how their union pals may well help them to achieve that!

The only decent thing to do is defer the whole thing until after the next election and then draw up a proper plan of reform. Educationally speaking,there is no urgency to make changes immediately.Where is the sense in rushing through a half baked plan! Financially speaking,if the Govt are under pressure from their buddies in Europe,well that's their problem.

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

I did threaten to leave but sadly didnt. While the ballot them to death policy seems to be the policy lets keep in mind without several ballots-the original deals would be it. Now I was one for keeping on rejecting and going all out if necessary but I have a thing called a backbone. Excluding those with repossession hanging over them I cant figure out why we never had a prolonged dispute. Married women second income?
And Yes I have children. And Yes Im up to my xxxx in negative equity. And Yes I had a spouse who lost a job. And No I dont have an A or B Post.
If this passes without a deal on resources tied into it..leave the ASTI but before you go-go down to Convention and vote for a motion calling for Gen Sec to be elected in future. A gift for the future.

What kind of a deal on resources are you talking about? They never have or never will give adequate resources. Even when the country was supposedly "awash" with money. So,I would actually be very wary of them throwing a few resources with god only knows what demands in return. Let them keep their measly resources and let us keep our standards!

Like you, I would not have given up on the CP and HR campaigns either. No means No as far as I'm concerned, but unfortunately this idea of "keep at them til they cave in" seems to be the new culture. And yes,the Gen Sec absolutely should be elected!

km79 wrote: »

Internet and phones all down for last few hours ! Only back now
Any update since 9 news ?

No,nothing new.

man_no_plan wrote: »

Strike on hold!!!

Curtains!

http://www.tui.ie/news-events/joint-statement-following-tuiasti-meeting-.6830.html

And so the surrender begins

One of their chief concerns is that CSPE remains an examinable subject ?! Jesus wept Website down all last night and still this morning .
Is it 140 or 160 k yer man is on ? And I'm sure he'll get a grand send off at end of year .I wonder how many dozen un(Der) employed NQTs subs will be required to service his pension ?
Regretting my ASTI departure (after 20 + years) less and less by the week .They are a disgrace . This was planned from Day 1 .Not only did they take your 300+ sub they also willing sacrificed your two strike days pay knowing they had no intention of fighting this out .OPTICS / COSMETICS ! There is no base line( 6 weeks Summer holidays , in school till all hours , "free classes " a distant memory- it is so often forgotten we TEACH significantly more hours than international averages , the other nations teachers are just doing more admin throughout the day - now we will end up with worst of both worlds ) in this race to the bottom guys .Wake up , new union ?

km79 wrote: »

summed up my thoughts EXACTLY!!!!!
And on the CSPE thing where has that come from ? Its being painted as some kind of victory!!!! Every student and teacher I know who teaches it hates it and thinks its pointless........
I wish they would just skip to the end game and get it over with it. Its done and dusted and has been for some time.

It's coming from Philip Irwin who is former vice chair of the CSPE Association & bizarrely has convinced some people that the subject is key to student wellbeing!

Jan says she'll push ahead! http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0228/683447-junior-cycle/

I have seen the document from 12th February but there have been some alterations I understand/ Does anyone have any detail on these or is the document available? The indo had the first one before anyone else, theres speculation in the press about whats in and whats out but nothing definitive.

2011abc wrote: »

One of their chief concerns is that CSPE remains an examinable subject ?! Jesus wept Website down all last night and still this morning .
Is it 140 or 160 k yer man is on ? And I'm sure he'll get a grand send off at end of year .I wonder how many dozen un(Der) employed NQTs subs will be required to service his pension ?
Regretting my ASTI departure (after 20 + years) less and less by the week .They are a disgrace . This was planned from Day 1 .Not only did they take your 300+ sub they also willing sacrificed your two strike days pay knowing they had no intention of fighting this out .OPTICS / COSMETICS ! There is no base line( 6 weeks Summer holidays , in school till all hours , "free classes " a distant memory- it is so often forgotten we TEACH significantly more hours than international averages , the other nations teachers are just doing more admin throughout the day - now we will end up with worst of both worlds ) in this race to the bottom guys .Wake up , new union ?

Ah come off it will you!! What help to any of us is your prediction of apocalypse?? The apathetic and fearful are one extreme but jesus,you're the other!! And either approach gets us NOWHERE. Good for you if you're glad you left the union,but let the rest of us fight this one out!

Mrwhite is right [nice ring to that ] All that's happened is that the strike is on hold while talks continue. We always knew that they weren't going to tell them to shove it [which is exactly what they should do]. We always knew that they were anxious to keep talking,typical of the conciliatory,servile stance of present day PS unions, more's the pity, and we don't really trust them because of it. But,the final decision will lie,as always with the members. They were the ones who sold out on CPA and HRA. Who,knows,maybe they've really had enough this time and will vote it down. The fact is that nothing has really changed since yesterday so let's just wait and see.

And less of the drama please, not good for the nerves! :eek: :;)

There seems to be a very simple bargain offered at the end - we'll cooperate if you defer the English syllabus. At last, the elephant in the room is being looked at - that the new Junior Cycle has technically started already in one subject. I, for one, see this as good news.

I don't know if agreeing to drop the strike day at this stage was a good tactical move; it might have got everyone's ass in gear if both parties knew there was a deadline looming.

Will the unions save us the usual spectacle and charade by NOT inviting current Minister to conference?
No they will continue to waste members time and money.

"Dr Travers is no department stooge. Yet he has emphatically rejected what he called the “well-articulated concern” that school-based assessment would expose teachers to undue pressure or corruption."
Well thats that then .Thanks for the reassurance Joe (author of the drivel linked above)and Dr. T!Not the faintest possibility of misguided parents and bullying principals hassling part time teachers .Simply couldnt happen ...

Revised document is here http://www.tui.ie/news-events/junior-cycle-reform-a-way-forward-revised-document-.6833.html