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I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 curiouscrater


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

    There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

    Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

    It's a great feeling.

    I second that! have a good sleep, !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

    There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

    Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

    It's a great feeling.

    You're talking shit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 449 ✭✭CJ Haughey


    Some of us are living beyond our means.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,691 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Some of us are living beyond our means.
    How are the Chavret shirts holding up these days CJ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    9 out of 10 people working isn't bad, and its improving.

    A lot of those jobs are pure rubbish minimum wage and slave labour positions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

    There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

    Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

    It's a great feeling.

    Im more of a realist myself. Hope you had a great sleep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Those stats are wrong, that's one OF 5 mortgages
    chrysagon wrote: »
    And on news one in five mortgages in Longford in arrears...but banks starting to engage..aint they great


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Johngoose


    I think the media are really selling the "green shoots" propaganda.But a lot of evidence of people being decimated by current conditions.Im beginning to think the whole "recovery" is a load of sh1t.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭JamBur


    Jesus, the eirigi, anti water charges brigade et al are so negative. Its like a circle of self reinforcing negativity. The thing is that ye are so close minded, that ye are blind to any view other than "BAD"

    Things are improving. Try some positivity, its healthy for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Johngoose wrote: »
    I think the media are really selling the "green shoots" propaganda.But a lot of evidence of people being decimated by current conditions.Im beginning to think the whole "recovery" is a load of sh1t.

    The government along with state and special interest media have spun the heck out of the paper thin "recovery" over the last 6 months and we are going to see that stepped up over the next year or so to ensure SF don't get into power. Then when reality hits and people realise it's a con job the downturn will be blamed on outside factors and other such sh1te. If people working 40 hour weeks for 380 euro is a sign of a recovery we are truly fecked.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Im more of a realist myself. Hope you had a great sleep.

    I did thank you!

    Hi ho hi ho......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    JamBur wrote: »
    Jesus, the eirigi, anti water charges brigade et al are so negative. Its like a circle of self reinforcing negativity. The thing is that ye are so close minded, that ye are blind to any view other than "BAD"

    Things are improving. Try some positivity, its healthy for you.

    Nice try at lumping everyone into the same basket. I'm 100% anti water charges but pay all my other taxes, I work full time and also a part time job and guess what I think eirigi are a pack of gobsh1tes. Doesn't suit your agenda that though ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    I did thank you!

    Hi ho hi ho......

    Only going to work now? Late starter, very negative attitude.


  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah that's a fair comment. If you are trapped in your job you have some of my sympathy. I left Uni in 2007 so I've bounced around from sh1tty job to sh1tty job while going back to do a masters. So from my point of view the growth is real because it's people like me that employers are looking for. I.E. Entry level post-graduate positions.

    Given that those in full time employment have had to endure pay freeze, while I worked for minimum wage with almost no rights and absolutely no bargaining power. I'm sure you'll understand if I reserve some of my sympathy


    I retrained to ICT and finding very few entry level/graduate positions, they're all on scam bridge which I and several of my classmates dom't qualify for


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Only going to work now? Late starter, very negative attitude.

    You got me there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Field east


    I know someone that works in social welfare and she said it's an employers market and a lot are exploiting people but still clever enough to keep within the law.


    It's disappointing that such a complex issue is crystallised into a short and single sentence - impression given that the bulk of employers are 'at' it.

    Consider the following:-
    (1) the bulk of employers/businesses have been 'put to the pin of their collar' to stay in business since circa 2008/9. Those that stayed in business did so by reducing costs including labour costs , leave staff go, etc,- had to be done as sales fell.

    (2) the alternative to 1 above was to close the business down and let all staff go.

    (3) I found the German business sector/trade unions response to the downturn of great interest. Both sides agreed to the principal that staff would go from a five day to a three or four day week- with a pro rata reduction in wage - so that less staff , if any, would have to be let go. This idea was never on the Irish agenda. I often wondered why?

    (4). 'Slavery' is a word that is frequently thrown out there but, I assume, that there is no definition for it in the context within which Blackbird used it. So if an employee/job bridges finds their position to be ' pure slavery' , they can always leave.

    (5) attitude towards work is a personal choice. You are back to the glass half full or half empty orientation. Some see work- even on low pay- as a stepping stone to 'greater things' ; it's a reason to get out of bed ; provides a greater opportunity to mix with people which is very important to a lot of people; good for your self confidence ; experience/ skills enhanced - including teamwork, ability to work independently;timekeeping, take and carry out instructions, etc; CV looks better.

    So, in summary, be careful 'what you wish for' as I would suspect that a lot of people which you would include in your 'slavery' category may not be seen as such by them. Of course we would all like more wages, shorter working week , better conditions, easier work, less commuting time, etc But the economy was recently in a very bad place, is slowly but clearly pulling out of it and the population - including employees/employers - is a core part of this and as it gets better there will hopefully will be less slavery as 'defined' by Blackbird


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    JamBur wrote: »
    Jesus, the eirigi, anti water charges brigade et al are so negative. Its like a circle of self reinforcing negativity. The thing is that ye are so close minded, that ye are blind to any view other than "BAD"

    Things are improving. Try some positivity, its healthy for you.
    Unrealistic optimism/positivity just makes people stupid, to the point that they will fool themselves into thinking everything is ok, when it is not - being realistic, by looking at the real hurdles ahead of us (the likelihood of QE failing and subsequent deflation, and thus derailing of any 'recovery'), is not the same as being unrealistically pessimistic/negative.

    People in general, aren't so stupid, that they'll ignore reality in the name of 'positivity' - especially not when people are trying to tell them, that the shít circumstances they may be in and the economy is in, is 'fine' - which is just an insult to their intelligence.

    The people trying to sell 'positivity' - by trying to make everyone else ignore the real problems facing us - are the problem; they're the kind of people that led us into trouble in the Celtic Tiger in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    30% more cars on the roads than at the height of the Celtic tiger.

    People just driving nowhere i suppose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭6541


    Report today the Economy is unbalanced and Irish Water will not be able to borrow on the Markets. We are in the Poop folks !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    6541 wrote: »
    Report today the Economy is unbalanced and Irish Water will not be able to borrow on the Markets. We are in the Poop folks !

    What does a balanced economy look like?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    6541 wrote: »
    Report today the Economy is unbalanced and Irish Water will not be able to borrow on the Markets. We are in the Poop folks !

    Any source for that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    From RTE site.



    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0226/682903-european-commission-ireland-economy/
    The commission has a six-step imbalance procedure by which it grades the severity of the macroeconomic issues facing each country, with one being the lowest and six the highest level on the scale.

    Ireland is currently at four, which is down from a six over the past two years.

    Another positive trend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Valetta wrote: »

    So we just ignore all the other positive reports and only listen to this one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The only people ignoring things are FG mouthpieces like you. ;)

    It's very simple...until the population at large start to actually see a positive upturn in the country's fortunes, all the flag waving by people like yourself amounts to naught but guff.

    And at present, that positive upturn is not happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The only people ignoring things are FG mouthpieces like you. ;)

    It's very simple...until the population at large start to actually see a positive upturn in the country's fortunes, all the flag waving by people like yourself amounts to naught but guff.

    And at present, that positive upturn is not happening.

    How do you know, other than from anecdotal evidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Anecdotal evidence is a measure of what's happening in people's lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Anecdotal evidence is a measure of what's happening in people's lives.

    And yet it's contradicted by the myriad of hard, factual evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,813 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeh sure.

    :pac:

    Makey-uppy happy clappy shite talk is no comfort to people when they've been let from their jobs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The only people ignoring things are FG mouthpieces like you. ;)

    It's very simple...until the population at large start to actually see a positive upturn in the country's fortunes, all the flag waving by people like yourself amounts to naught but guff.

    And at present, that positive upturn is not happening.
    Tony EH wrote: »
    Yeh sure.

    :pac:

    Makey-uppy happy clappy shite talk is no comfort to people when they've been let from their jobs.

    Have the "population at large" been let (sic) from their jobs?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    I retrained to ICT and finding very few entry level/graduate positions, they're all on scam bridge which I and several of my classmates dom't qualify for

    Which areas of ICT did you study? Where do your interests lie? What projects have you done, either in school or at home?


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