I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

the evasion_kid · 25-02-2015 09:24PM

Valetta wrote: »

A deal is something agreed to by two parties.

Why would you partake if you think it's "sh*tty"?

Jobsbridge serves a very good cohort of people who are wiling to get up off their arses and try to better themselves.

Or they could ya know give them a proper wage

Bubbaclaus · 25-02-2015 09:26PM

You think Ireland is in serious trouble? Look out the window....business is booming. The Celtic Phoenix has begun. When they further cut USC and the marginal rate of tax in the next budget then maybe all the doom and gloomers will start to notice too

25-02-2015 09:27PM

Valetta wrote: »

10% is better that 14%, but not as good as 5%.

The downward trend is good.

The amount of pedantry is shocking, and leads me to believe the posters have nothing of substance to contribute.

What any economists say is irrelevant.

It's not pedantry to point out that unemployment above 10% does not constitute a successfully restored economy

Greyian · 25-02-2015 09:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not pedantry to point out that unemployment above 10% does not constitute a successfully restored economy

But people aren't saying it's successfully restored, or recovered. People are saying it is recovering, or the recovery has begun etc, which doesn't mean the same thing.

downwesht · 25-02-2015 09:30PM

Looking at the line of students waiting for pubs to open on "Donegal Tuesday" and you wouldn't think this country is in trouble!!!

BoJack Horseman · 25-02-2015 09:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not pedantry to point out that unemployment above 10% does not constitute a successfully restored economy

That's not what's being said.
The trend is positive & that's what matters.

Many people prefer pessimism & to run Ireland down though.

Valetta · 25-02-2015 09:31PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Or they could ya know give them a proper wage

Perhaps you don't understand the nature of the scheme?

Eugene Norman · 25-02-2015 09:34PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You think Ireland is in serious trouble? Look out the window....business is booming. The Celtic Phoenix has begun. When they further cut USC and the marginal rate of tax in the next budget then maybe all the doom and gloomers will start to notice too

They won't notice it if they are in the rental sector.

The entire argument here is right wing yahoo pseud patriotism.

There is no conception of the severe issues facing the economy and the tailwinds due to the still massively overhanging debt. One year of growth in 7 and we're a Phoenix

Tony EH · 25-02-2015 10:09PM

RobAMerc wrote: »

Right sorry, just thought a bit of realism might be required. I'll go be realistic elsewhere.

You'd be better off.

Far, far too many guff talkers on here.

Ireland's doing great apparently.

Fückin hell... :pac:

the evasion_kid · 25-02-2015 10:11PM

Valetta wrote: »

Perhaps you don't understand the nature of the scheme?

Something something...training....something something...experience....

The problem with the scheme is its very open to exploitation,hell go look at the first post on the job bridge thread if you want bullet points why its a disaster

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 10:19PM

Tony EH wrote: »

You'd be better off.

Far, far too many guff talkers on here.

Ireland's doing great apparently.

Fückin hell... :pac:

Negative negative negative.

Have you anything constructive or positive to add to try get us out of this doomsday situation were in so?

Foxhound38 · 25-02-2015 10:20PM

6541 wrote: »

A whole generation have left.

You'd be surprised at how many of them are coming back these days, a lot of the time with young families in tow. Australia and Canada etc are great, but they just don't have what this place does - or at least that's what I found when I was away.

6541 wrote: »

There are zero jobs.

I got a new one only last week. It is picking up, at least in the cities.

I'm not trying to sugar-coat it, it's still tough out there. But the powers that be aren't lying when they say things are slowly but surely getting better - of course they exaggerate the speed of recovery but it is happening. New businesses are opening up, people are getting jobs, and people are getting more breathing space.

There's still serious problems, as there always will be - but to describe us as a basket-case right now is doom and gloom merchandising. Perhaps we were approaching that status in the very depths of the crisis, but we're nowhere close to that now at the tail end of it.

Icepick · 25-02-2015 10:21PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Or they could ya know give them a proper wage

Why don't you give them a 'proper wage'?

Desolation Of Smug · 25-02-2015 10:23PM

12 pages. Someone sum it up. Are we fecked or not?

Icepick · 25-02-2015 10:23PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

GDP Per Capita is the only real tangible figure there in terms of the economy and that is a gross figure. It does nothing to illustrate wealth distribution, we get it, some people are on board the wealth train. We don't know how many and we don't know who benefits.

2014 wealth distribution stats will paint an interesting pictures, who really benefits from a bouyant market.

Wealth distribution?

Most progressive tax system in the world and some of the highest welfare rates in the world.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:24PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

komrade, you dont seem to impressed, please tell me what you would have done differently so that after that clusterf**k we are just coming out of, that we would now have full or close to full employment... Ireland has actually recovered far better than the other PIIGS... If your proposal was getting a debt write off, you dont need to elaborate any further, I dont see the point in discussing something that was never going to happen given our set up and circumstances...

We could have had full employment 5+ years ago, if Europe engaged in a massive fiscal spending boost, funded by centralized EU bonds - ala Greek FM Yanis Varoufakis' 'Modest Proposal'.

The only thing stopping that is politics - economically it's piss easy to resolve the entire economic crisis, and always has been; it's the Euro combined with political dysfunction at an EU level, that's trapped us in this mess.

Wouldn't even need a debt writeoff or anything - could just grow our economy out of debt, over time - and keeping inflation at targeted levels (instead of far below target levels) would also have lessened our public + private debt burden.

KingBrian2 · 25-02-2015 10:26PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Europe has been heading towards core deflation for a long time - changing the inflation stat picked, doesn't really suggest deflation can be avoided.

I agree fully though, that we need a large fiscal/demand stimulus ASAP (preferably half a decade ago).

KomradeBishop the opening post sort of develops an argument designed to reinforce his beliefs. By saying he is convinced than he clearly is stating that his mind is made up so evidence to the contrary will be ignored. Now you agree with the opening post and suggest that ourselves and Europe are in deflationary or near deflationary times but I would put it to you that public finances are better than France's.

Other European countries with similar sizes are also doing rather well with good economic news in Nordic and Baltic states. Lithuania joined the € recently and to top it off Ireland's unemployment is comparable to Britain's which I believe is understated if you count social benefit recipients and newly arrived immigrants.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:26PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Can you point me to the country in the world which has 100% employment?

You don't seem like you're impressed until it's 0% unemployment.

Some bar you're setting there.

That's a straw-man as I never set the goal as being 0% unemployment - I'd settle for traditional economic definitions of full employment (which are never 0%, as they consider things such as job churn, among more).

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:28PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

5% of the country minimum have no intention of working anyway, that was evident during the boom, so we are only really 5% off full employment...

That's not evident at all - you have no idea of peoples reasons for not having jobs at that time, and you can't even quantify how much of that 5% is job-churn (people between employment).

Silly the speed at which people pull out the 'all the unemployed are just lazy' generalization - which is itself just lazy thinking.

AlekSmart · 25-02-2015 10:30PM

6541 wrote: »

I take that on board, but what I am noticing is the Recession is really biting now. Its Serious.

It sure is.......

http://www.simi.ie/News.html?NI=20575748

Stats in short:

New car sales in November up 12% on last year
Cars sold 95,989 2014 v 73,454 2013
LCV sales in November up 51% on last year
HGV 1996 sold 2014 V 1670 sold 2013
Top 3 selling car brands were Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford
Top 3 selling models were the Volkswagen Golf, Nissan Qashqai, Ford Focus
Top selling van was Ford Transit

Light Commercial Vehicles up 51%......yep,looks like no confidence in Ireland....time to head for the boat I reckon....:rolleyes:

Most people have glasses that are half-full....the half-empty glasses tend to be the most tended to however...:)

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:34PM

Greyian wrote: »

But people aren't saying it's successfully restored, or recovered. People are saying it is recovering, or the recovery has begun etc, which doesn't mean the same thing.

People are also ignoring the likely failure of QE to stop deflation, for anything other than a temporary period, and how the return of deflation is going to derail any possibility of recovery - until a massive fiscal spending boost is organized EU-wide (as that will then be The Only Way, if we want to avoid deflation and the end of the Euro).

AlekSmart · 25-02-2015 10:35PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

That's not what's being said.
The trend is positive & that's what matters.

Many people prefer pessimism & to run Ireland down though.

Some people even manage to get themselves elected to Parliament on those very qualities.....

The Auntie Austerity Alliance Roadshow comes to Rural Ireland......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 10:37PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

People are also ignoring the likely failure of QE to stop deflation, for anything other than a temporary period, and how the return of deflation is going to derail any possibility of recovery - until a massive fiscal spending boost is organized EU-wide (as that will then be The Only Way, if we want to avoid deflation and the end of the Euro).

This is all you keep coming out with.

Qe.

Tony EH · 25-02-2015 10:39PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Negative negative negative.

Have you anything constructive or positive to add to try get us out of this doomsday situation were in so?

If you think writing a few, silly, happy clappy sentences on a message board is going to get us out a "doomsday situation", you've another thing coming.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:40PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Negative negative negative.

Have you anything constructive or positive to add to try get us out of this doomsday situation were in so?

Smart people prefer realism over unrealistic optimism. It's not negative to face up to the real roadblocks ahead of us - if we don't, we'll just be ensuring people remain uninformed and that it will be more likely that we stay in a permanently stagnant economy.

emo72 · 25-02-2015 10:40PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

It sure is.......

http://www.simi.ie/News.html?NI=20575748

Stats in short:

New car sales in November up 12% on last year
Cars sold 95,989 2014 v 73,454 2013
LCV sales in November up 51% on last year
HGV 1996 sold 2014 V 1670 sold 2013
Top 3 selling car brands were Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford
Top 3 selling models were the Volkswagen Golf, Nissan Qashqai, Ford Focus
Top selling van was Ford Transit

Light Commercial Vehicles up 51%......yep,looks like no confidence in Ireland....time to head for the boat I reckon....:rolleyes:

Most people have glasses that are half-full....the half-empty glasses tend to be the most tended to however...:)

Would we have approximately 100k public and civil servants? And maybe a few nama developers? Some people are just doing grand so they are.

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 10:43PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Smart people prefer realism over unrealistic optimism. It's not negative to face up to the real roadblocks ahead of us - if we don't, we'll just be ensuring people remain uninformed and that it will be more likely that we stay in a permanently stagnant economy.

You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

It's a great feeling.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:48PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

This is all you keep coming out with.

Qe.

Ya it's a point worth repeating - especially seeing as it doesn't sink in; feel free to try and refute it if you like.

emo72 · 25-02-2015 10:48PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

It's a great feeling.

It is in its Shiite good out there. I don't know what circles you mix in but come down to the high Street in most towns and see how busy it is. Any business associates i mix with are pulling their hair out. Maybe if you are in business in debt recovery things are brisk. normal people and business people are suffering.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 10:50PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

You keep negative I'll keep positive, as is most of the country at the moment.

There is a good feeling apart from the minority who will never be happy.

Im done now, sleep time so I can get up, earn some money and enjoy Ireland on the road to recovery.

It's a great feeling.

You don't speak for 'most of the country' - only yourself; I highly doubt your optimism is shared across the country, and that kind of optimism would be as naive and misplaced as the optimism we had over the Celtic Tiger, given how far we are from being out of the woods.

I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

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